eBay buyer wants to pay "actual" shipping

[opticalmace]

Either way it's contractually binding--the buyer legally has no room for bargaining, since he already bid and won the auction.
Too bad for him.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

What part of shipping AND HANDLING do people not understand? eBay even says you are allowed to charge what you feel is necessary, so long as it is clearly stated in the auction. The buyer paid as he should have. He probably felt he had nothing to lose by pressuring the seller a bit and when he realized it was not working, he caved in.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

What about your paypal and eBay fees? How do you recoupe part of those or do you just write them off?

 

[PingSpike]

Shoulda shipped it overnight for $300 or whatever and billed him for it. 😛

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

Are you serious? What desktop computer weighs 20lbs? These systems weight 50lb's. I shipped one to Alaska that cost me $115 (yep, thats right $115!). The last 50lb computer system I shipped was to Atlanta (I am located in Utah). The cost was $49. The cost for the 24x24x24 box, tape, peanuts, which was all packaged together at a local shipping place cost me $39.

Obviously you didnt read any of the posts in here. Average on ebay is $104 for the last 70 auctions. This is about the 4th time I have stated this in this thread now.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: KuJaX
What do you guys think? I dont want a negative feedback of my 100+ 100% positive because this guy can't read.

eBay will remove negative feedback if it's placed for a bad reason, right?

Nope. Even if someone accidentally gives someone a negative!

i thought they had a policy to remove retalitory negatives.

i got a negative because i bid on an item and won. then the seller refused to send me the item because he claimed he forgot to put a reserve on it. i wouldn't allow him to resind the offer so he gave me a negative and choose not to send me the item.

then he gave up on the account. now that's BS.

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: KuJaX
What do you guys think? I dont want a negative feedback of my 100+ 100% positive because this guy can't read.

eBay will remove negative feedback if it's placed for a bad reason, right?

Nope. Even if someone accidentally gives someone a negative!

i thought they had a policy to remove retalitory negatives.

i got a negative because i bid on an item and won. then the seller refused to send me the item because he claimed he forgot to put a reserve on it. i wouldn't allow him to resind the offer so he gave me a negative and choose not to send me the item.

then he gave up on the account. now that's BS.

gotta love eBay.... and they wont do a single thing about it unless you are a majority owner of their stock. Even then they probably wouldnt the lazy bas***** 🙂

 

[gozulin]

Well of course you're right! I always charge as much as possible for shipping because shipping fees are not subject to the ebay tax (3.9% of final sale). Anyone with 2 neurons can add shipping to whatever total he's willing to bid. Why should I give eBay more money than absolutely necessary anyways? The customer sure as hell doesn't benefit from that. And trust me, eBay is making more than enough money. They get all those nice listing fees to begin with and most transaction use paypal which nets them an extra 3% of the gross transaction. Become a professional seller and You'll see that eBay will eat up to 50% of your profits just like that.

The problem is that eBay is riddled with people who don't sell enough to "Get It" and morons for whom percentages and economics in general are alien concepts.

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: KuJaX


edit2: This morning the buyer paid the full amount includes the full shipping cost. I will check to see how much more it will cost to do 3rd day or even 2nd day from UPS, but if it is nearly 2x as much as ground, then I am not going to do it. I am still afraid since this buyer doesnt have much feedback that he will be one of those people that write a negative feedback stating "got the product, but shipping was way too high."

To all who posted, thanks. I knew I was right on this one. To all of those people that said I am screwing him, please re-read my original post. Average shipping cost of the last 70 auctions was $104. It all averages out in the end folks as far as the ultimate end price someone pays after shipping for one of these systems from any seller on eBay. I guess i'll have to edit this again when I hear back from him when he receives the product or whatever will happen.

Don't leave feedback first. Just wait until he does, so you can leave yours accordingly. If he never leaves feedback, then you never do. It's better to not gain any feedback at all than to gain a negative at this point.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: dude8604
$129 for shipping is obviously A LOT more than it costs you to ship the laptop. If you want to make more money on an item start the initial price higher or set a reserve price. It's technically against eBay policy to account for eBay or paypal fees in the shipping charge, but they never do anything about it. I agree it is the buyer's responsibility to look at the shipping charge before bidding, but that's a ridiculously high shipping cost.

Uh huh, and I guess it really costs Dell $99 to ship computers and $49 to ship laptops? Or I bet FedEx really charges HP $79 to ship CTO computers?

Inflated shipping is the name of the game. If you're not smart enough to read the terms of the auction before bidding, you deserve negative feedback and an unpaid strike at minimum.

especially since you HAVE to know that dell probably gets a HUGE discount on shipping from all the vendors.

 

[mcvickj]

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

Are you serious? What desktop computer weighs 20lbs? These systems weight 50lb's. I shipped one to Alaska that cost me $115 (yep, thats right $115!). The last 50lb computer system I shipped was to Atlanta (I am located in Utah). The cost was $49. The cost for the 24x24x24 box, tape, peanuts, which was all packaged together at a local shipping place cost me $39.

Obviously you didnt read any of the posts in here. Average on ebay is $104 for the last 70 auctions. This is about the 4th time I have stated this in this thread now.

eMachines. Gateway Profiles. Also a few Dell's I've sold. What kind of systems are you selling that weight 50lbs? Are you just selling the tower / desktop? Or are you also including a monitor? My main rig at home doesn't even come close to weighing 50lbs.

You are wrong. I read all of the posts and I saw the several spots where you mentioned the "average" shipping was $104. No where did you mention the weight of the package or the size of the package.

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

What about your paypal and eBay fees? How do you recoupe part of those or do you just write them off?

It is just a part of doing business. Besides it is also against eBay TOS to add these fees.

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: mcvickj

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

Are you serious? What desktop computer weighs 20lbs? These systems weight 50lb's. I shipped one to Alaska that cost me $115 (yep, thats right $115!). The last 50lb computer system I shipped was to Atlanta (I am located in Utah). The cost was $49. The cost for the 24x24x24 box, tape, peanuts, which was all packaged together at a local shipping place cost me $39.

Obviously you didnt read any of the posts in here. Average on ebay is $104 for the last 70 auctions. This is about the 4th time I have stated this in this thread now.

eMachines. Gateway Profiles. Also a few Dell's I've sold. What kind of systems are you selling that weight 50lbs? Are you just selling the tower / desktop? Or are you also including a monitor? My main rig at home doesn't even come close to weighing 50lbs.

You are wrong. I read all of the posts and I saw the several spots where you mentioned the "average" shipping was $104. No where did you mention the weight of the package or the size of the package.

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

What about your paypal and eBay fees? How do you recoupe part of those or do you just write them off?

It is just a part of doing business. Besides it is also against eBay TOS to add these fees.

lol are you shipping a case with nothing else? Just slap a UPS tracking sticker on the case and hope it doesnt get hurt? I have an invoice sitting right next to me for a small antec case of a system I just built for someone.

weight CASE ALONE from invoice - 31lb
weight after putting the system together, keyboard, mouse, box, peanuts, packaging, tape - 50lb



You are selling some super light weight systems if you are saying that shipping an entire system, with all the packaging is only weighing 20lbs.



Weight listed on this Dell system - 44lb's. I just went and weighed it and it weights 43lbs.........

 

[robphelan]

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: dude8604
$129 for shipping is obviously A LOT more than it costs you to ship the laptop. If you want to make more money on an item start the initial price higher or set a reserve price. It's technically against eBay policy to account for eBay or paypal fees in the shipping charge, but they never do anything about it. I agree it is the buyer's responsibility to look at the shipping charge before bidding, but that's a ridiculously high shipping cost.

it is a computer system. I agree that it will not cost that much to ship. No one said it is going to cost that much.

Did I ever say that my shipping and handling included ebay/paypal fee's? No.

The last 70 completed auctions AVERAGE was $104. So obviously $129 isnt that far off the mark.

Did you even read my post?

if avg = 104 & you charge = 129.. that's ~25% increase... definitely off the mark.

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: robphelan

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: dude8604
$129 for shipping is obviously A LOT more than it costs you to ship the laptop. If you want to make more money on an item start the initial price higher or set a reserve price. It's technically against eBay policy to account for eBay or paypal fees in the shipping charge, but they never do anything about it. I agree it is the buyer's responsibility to look at the shipping charge before bidding, but that's a ridiculously high shipping cost.

it is a computer system. I agree that it will not cost that much to ship. No one said it is going to cost that much.

Did I ever say that my shipping and handling included ebay/paypal fee's? No.

The last 70 completed auctions AVERAGE was $104. So obviously $129 isnt that far off the mark.

Did you even read my post?

if avg = 104 & you charge = 129.. that's ~25% increase... definitely off the mark.

rofl - mine also includes insurance.

 

[waggy]

Personally i think the OP and buyer are morons.

I have built and sold a few machines on ebay and NOT ONE was over $100 (most around $70 with insurance+tracking etc)

but then i charge ACTUAL shipping and handling cost. But then again ethics actually mean something to me. I am always up front and honest in auction. I may not always be the cheapest (don't jack people over shipping like OP) but i never have trouble selling.

People like this are the reason i quit selling and buying on ebay. just not worth the frustration and putting up with the BS.

 

[DrPizza]

A. This thread all because you have 100% positive feedback on 100+ transactions and you're that worried about a single negative??

B. I agree with waggy: it's not a matter of "it's the same price in the end", it's a matter of ethical business practices. The OP clearly seems to feel that it's only the total price that matters. So, if he saves a few bucks via ebay fees, that's great.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: mcvickj

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

Are you serious? What desktop computer weighs 20lbs? These systems weight 50lb's. I shipped one to Alaska that cost me $115 (yep, thats right $115!). The last 50lb computer system I shipped was to Atlanta (I am located in Utah). The cost was $49. The cost for the 24x24x24 box, tape, peanuts, which was all packaged together at a local shipping place cost me $39.

Obviously you didnt read any of the posts in here. Average on ebay is $104 for the last 70 auctions. This is about the 4th time I have stated this in this thread now.

eMachines. Gateway Profiles. Also a few Dell's I've sold. What kind of systems are you selling that weight 50lbs? Are you just selling the tower / desktop? Or are you also including a monitor? My main rig at home doesn't even come close to weighing 50lbs.

You are wrong. I read all of the posts and I saw the several spots where you mentioned the "average" shipping was $104. No where did you mention the weight of the package or the size of the package.

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Anyone who agrees to pay $129 to have a desktop shipped deserves it. There is no way that price is accurate. I've sold several desktops on eBay. My recent one was being shipped to Phoenix. The package weighed around 20 lbs and cost me $18.22 to ship UPS Ground. Now I throw in a little extra to cover my packaging costs. So maybe $25 total.

What about your paypal and eBay fees? How do you recoupe part of those or do you just write them off?

It is just a part of doing business. Besides it is also against eBay TOS to add these fees.

However, it is not against eBays TOS to add a shipping and HANDLING charge 😉.

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: waggy
Personally i think the OP and buyer are morons.

I have built and sold a few machines on ebay and NOT ONE was over $100 (most around $70 with insurance+tracking etc)

but then i charge ACTUAL shipping and handling cost. But then again ethics actually mean something to me. I am always up front and honest in auction. I may not always be the cheapest (don't jack people over shipping like OP) but i never have trouble selling.

People like this are the reason i quit selling and buying on ebay. just not worth the frustration and putting up with the BS.

Ethics? lol... once again, average is $107.

I guess my time is worth more than yours.

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
A. This thread all because you have 100% positive feedback on 100+ transactions and you're that worried about a single negative??

B. I agree with waggy: it's not a matter of "it's the same price in the end", it's a matter of ethical business practices. The OP clearly seems to feel that it's only the total price that matters. So, if he saves a few bucks via ebay fees, that's great.

Yes I do feel that the FINAL price is the only price that matters. How does anything else matter? It is the ultimate end price that the buyer pays that matters. I don't understand how you think I am not ethical. I guarantee I am the most honest and ethical businessman you'll ever meet.

 

[littleprince]

Ethics? Ethics is paying what you agreed to. My dad owned a small business for years in the service industry. The worst was finishing a job for a client and having them negotiate the price than. Its like WTF?!? He's just worked his butt off for a week to a price you agreed to pay. Now that he's done you try and cheap out?

If the buyer can't read he shoulnd't buy on eBay.

If the seller wants to charge $250 for shipping I wouldn't care, because I'd just bid less. The only people who will get burned are the ones that would've bought an xbox box anyways.
Most of you are Americans, you should understand captilism and how tax is not part of it.