Early Warning Signs of Fascism: A point by point discussion.

[ch33zw1z]

Really? Which points exactly?

Buckle up, this is where the train leaves the tracks.

 

[dank69]

I'm fairly certain that you do not like Donald Trump and consider him something of a fascist, so from this can I interpret that you consider ANTIFA to be likewise?

Wearing a MAGA baseball cap and holding a "Heil Pepe" sign is not the same thing as wearing a mask and hiding a U-lock, btw. The Trump supporters that suit up in armor wielding weapons with the intent of attacking political opponents absolutely should be rounded up and put in prison, but this is basically a response to months/years of ANTIFA and friends doing the same. I don't think "Based Stick Man", for example, was a thing prior to ANTIFA's riots at conservative speaking events.

The only thing you can interpret from my post is that you're fucking retarded. Nobody gives a shit about antifa except people who live online. Just like nobody gives a shit about gamergate or whatever the fuck it was called. Meanwhile, white supremacists just elected a con man to run the whole shebang. Keep focusing on those nobodies in Woodstock California though as if what they do affects your life in any way.

And lol at maga hat no uniform but mask uniform

 

[ch33zw1z]

Don't forget the Jesus Saves tshirt, it's a must have in every not-a-racist's bag of tricks. Who better to represent while hand to hand combat is going down ?

 

[greatnoob]

I'm fairly certain that you do not like Donald Trump and consider him something of a fascist, so from this can I interpret that you consider ANTIFA to be likewise?

Wearing a MAGA baseball cap and holding a "Heil Pepe" sign is not the same thing as wearing a mask and hiding a U-lock, btw. The Trump supporters that suit up in armor wielding weapons with the intent of attacking political opponents absolutely should be rounded up and put in prison, but this is basically a response to months/years of ANTIFA and friends doing the same. I don't think "Based Stick Man", for example, was a thing prior to ANTIFA's riots at conservative speaking events.

You've been posting a lot of dumb things lately. You're not proving your point, you're just making yourself look stupid.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The only thing you can interpret from my post is that you're fucking retarded. Nobody gives a shit about antifa except people who live online. Just like nobody gives a shit about gamergate or whatever the fuck it was called. Meanwhile, white supremacists just elected a con man to run the whole shebang. Keep focusing on those nobodies in Woodstock California though as if what they do affects your life in any way.

And lol at maga hat no uniform but mask uniform

Enjoy the escalating violence then. I'm sure that when people with MAGA hats start donning masks as well and attacking peaceful liberals unprovoked, you'll be all "Hey that's cool, doesn't really matter".

And yes, MAGA hats and masks are not comparable. White supremacists have a right to vote for a con man fascist, white supremacists have a right to proverbially masturbate their support of their favorite con man fascist, but they lack a right to attack others that don't support their favorite con man fascist. Once you begin to permit some kinds of collective violence along ideological grounds, you provide precedent for white supremacists to begin also practicing collective violence.

You've been posting a lot of dumb things lately. You're not proving your point, you're just making yourself look stupid.

Excellent argument.

 

[greatnoob]

Excellent argument.

Thanks, sure beats masks=bad, fascism, red hats=good, no fascism.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Thanks, sure beats masks=bad, fascism, red hats=good, no fascism.

Masks = anonymity to commit violent acts with reduced chances of social and legal repercussions, not political speech. Baseball caps = a sign that one voted for Donald Trump, political speech.

 

[greatnoob]

Masks = anonymity to commit violent acts with reduced chances of social and legal repercussions, not political speech. Baseball caps = a sign that one voted for Donald Trump, political speech.

No need to repeat yourself.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No need to repeat yourself.

What is your opinion on ANTIFA on their own merits, putting aside your opinion on any other group that you feel to be worse?

 

[desura]

I'm kinda tired of boomers and their crusades. Like, they don't have the mental flexibility to adapt to new paradigms or really think things through. The same record just gets played over and over with them.

 

[Vic]

Buckle up, this is where the train leaves the tracks.

A slightly off topic anecdote: I was skimming FB earlier and saw an puff piece about a restaurant from my local newspaper. And because meat was the restaurant's primary attraction, some of the Pacific NW's finest vegan SWJ's had shown up in the comments section to make sure that everyone knew their opinion with regards to a carnivorous lifestyle. And I struck by how exactly their arguments were like the 'pro-life' crowd. I mean exactly. Just swap a couple of words. It was interesting.
Because the reality is that the extremists on the left and right are more alike to each other than they are to the majority of us who sanely sit somewhere near the middle trapped between these emotional crazies and forced to pick a side (which usually ends up happening by default).
But when BlueMax says that leftists are fascists, he's only wrong because he sees everyone to the left of himself as 'leftists' who are all the same as those militant vegans want to make it illegal to eat meat.
Which is ridiculous, because I love bacon.

 

[Vic]

Masks = anonymity to commit violent acts with reduced chances of social and legal repercussions, not political speech. Baseball caps = a sign that one voted for Donald Trump, political speech.

And if Bernie had made it to the White House, you might have a valid point.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And if Bernie had made it to the White House, you might have a valid point.

Have no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

[Vic]

Have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Those far leftists you're so worried about have no political power. Even the Democrats rejected them, remember? Meanwhile, the champion of the alt-right is in the White House, with the entire Republican party proud to be in the same basket.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Those far leftists you're so worried about have no political power. Even the Democrats rejected them, remember? Meanwhile, the champion of the alt-right is in the White House, with the entire Republican party proud to be in the same basket.

I wouldn't equate Bernie supporters with ANTIFA, even if ANTIFA probably liked Bernie more than Trump or Clinton. Ultimately, we have a semi-democracy that allows people to vote for bad politicians an enact bad policies, but fortunately we have regular elections to throw them out of power, something that will probably happen in 2020 if not 2018. If these anarchist types and those that endorse them truly believe that Trump is so terrible as to warrant a violent rise to action against the establishment, then I suppose that's fine, but they should realize they're basically calling for war and a suspension of the civil political process, and should prepare for everything that comes back at them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Berkeley's mayor is a member of BAMN, a closely-related (albeit less violent) friend of ANTIFA. It's tacit endorsement. Probably the same reason the mayor explicitly told officers to stand down and allow a violent "protest" to occur.

Bullshit. He's just a member of their open facebook group. It helps him stay apprised of their activities.

 

[jackstar7]

At it's best, nationalism allows us to take on an identity bigger than ourselves, one which better encourages citizens to work for a common good. Obviously this tendency has a dark side as well, but experiencing the seemingly irreconcilable divisions in our society makes me wonder if there is anything, anything at all that could unite us. Asteroid strike, maybe?

That would be vastly more likely to unite the world, something far more valuable than national identity, which for most is an accident of birth.

 

[amenx]

It's amusing how many of those points the leftists dominate...

Do you identify with fascism and feel uncomfortable when it is under attack?

 

[jackstar7]

Enjoy the escalating violence then. I'm sure that when people with MAGA hats start donning masks as well and attacking peaceful liberals unprovoked, you'll be all "Hey that's cool, doesn't really matter".

Hey, this thing where you are implying that the alt-right are peaceful... from where does that originate?

 

[crashtech]

That would be vastly more likely to unite the world, something far more valuable than national identity, which for most is an accident of birth.

Well as primates we haven't even completely mastered the art of a united country. Nationalism is a step shy of world citizenship, which is often thought of as the opposite of nationalism but is, in its purest form, the ultimate evolution of the greater identity concept. Ideally, nationalism would be a friendlier but no less fierce competition between forms of governance, may the best one win, but being what we are, national identity still constantly runs afoul of culture, ethnicity, and politics, making even a united country a very difficult prospect, much less a united world.

 

[agent00f]

Well as primates we haven't even completely mastered the art of a united country. Nationalism is a step shy of world citizenship, which is often thought of as the opposite of nationalism but is, in its purest form, the ultimate evolution of the greater identity concept. Ideally, nationalism would be a friendlier but no less fierce competition between forms of governance, may the best one win, but being what we are, national identity still constantly runs afoul of culture, ethnicity, and politics, making even a united country a very difficult prospect, much less a united world.

White nationalism is just racism using the national brand.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hey, this thing where you are implying that the alt-right are peaceful... from where does that originate?

Are you implying that any current violence committed by the alt-right represents the worst it could possibly get?

 

[crashtech]

White nationalism is just racism using the national brand.

That's all you can muster? Wow, okay. Not all nationalism is good, I already pretty much stipulated that. White nationalism is a fringe element and is doomed to always be so. If I'm wrong, we'll just have to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

 

[agent00f]

That's all you can muster? Wow, okay. Not all nationalism is good, I already pretty much stipulated that. White nationalism is a fringe element and is doomed to always be so. If I'm wrong, we'll just have to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

Race resentment is the main political force in contemporary america per every study on the matter, ie. most statistically accurate predictor of party affiliation. Eg. http://www.electionstudies.org/studypages/anes_pilot_2016/anes_pilot_2016.htm

 

[trenchfoot]

Those far leftists you're so worried about have no political power. Even the Democrats rejected them, remember? Meanwhile, the champion of the alt-right is in the White House, with the entire Republican party proud to be in the same basket.

I agree, except for the very last word in your post. I think asylum is a more accurate description.