Early morning run routine

[cbrunny]

Kinvera is a great choice, but I prefer the Triumphs. Replaced my Triumph 11s with Triumph ISO (1, not 2) this year with good results. I did try on the Kinvera - it's a very different shoe than the Triumph. Maybe someday I'll graduate to a not-pillow shoe. Not today.

I really wanted to try the new Adidas line - they're supposed to be really nice and actually bring adidas back into the world of distance running. Didn't actually get to try them on though. Price is insane, plus apparently for as comfortable and good as they are, they have terrible longevity.

 

[ControlD]

^^

Yeah, moving from a cushioned shoe takes a little getting used to. The Kinvera still has a decent amount of cushion for a more minimal shoe, but nothing like a Triumph or Brooks Glycerin. I gradually moved from cushioned shoes over a period of a year or so. It made a big difference in my running and injury frequency, but my wife had the opposite experience so I don't believe there is one shoe for everyone.

For anyone interested in running shoe technology and an honest analysis of what they can and can not do for you, I highly recommend the book "Tread Lightly" by Peter Larson. He doesn't try to tell you what you should be wearing (which is unusual these days) just presents lots of studies and what they mean. That book sort of changed my running life.

 

[CraKaJaX]

I have pretty wide feet, high arches, and lots of sprained ankle injuries in my younger years. I've dealt with achillies tendinitis as well. After lots of rehab on my feet/ankles, I'm finally able to get back into long distance running ... so I'm really just getting back into the game. I think with that said, the extra cushion would be nice. Maybe I should try the Triumph/Glycerins?

 

[cbrunny]

I have pretty wide feet, high arches, and lots of sprained ankle injuries in my younger years. I've dealt with achillies tendinitis as well. After lots of rehab on my feet/ankles, I'm finally able to get back into long distance running ... so I'm really just getting back into the game. I think with that said, the extra cushion would be nice. Maybe I should try the Triumph/Glycerins?

Sounds like custom orthotics would be a wise choice, in which case you should be looking exclusively at neutral shoes. I have customs in my Triumphs, and in every pair of shoes I wear (I have one pair that I move around).

 

[CraKaJaX]

Sounds like custom orthotics would be a wise choice, in which case you should be looking exclusively at neutral shoes. I have customs in my Triumphs, and in every pair of shoes I wear (I have one pair that I move around).

I actually had them made a few years ago and wore them for a long time. They were specifically a "sports" model ... with some cushioning on the top. I moved them from shoe to shoe. After going through all the massages/rehab/rebuilding I eventually stopped wearing them, and the pain is no longer there thank god. They were quite worn out (the cushioning was peeling off, and there wasn't much left except the plastic mold). I'm gradually building up the distance, just to make sure the pain does not come back. I did 5 on Saturday night and was quite happy when there was no after effects. I'm also a fan of throwing on compression socks after a run, which definitely help.

 

[ControlD]

I have high arches as well. Interestingly, getting away from overly cushioned shoes was what got me over a lot of my injury problems. When I was wearing pillow soft shoes I think I tended to land on my heels more than I do now. I think soft shoes are fine as long as your form is decent. I just never could get my form down with a high stack height and lots of cushion. A low stack height shoe with moderate cushion provides a lot of feedback about your form. I can't do the true minimal shoes however. I still need more cushion that that.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Just picked up the Kinvara 7's on Amazon. FYI, if you are a prime member they're 10% off right now:

https://www.amazon.com/Saucony-Kinv...74990995&sr=8-1&keywords=kinvara+7&th=1&psc=1

Should have them tomorrow.

 

[ControlD]

Enjoy! That's a great shoe.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Yea. Pretty excited. I've got one more run with the worn out Ride's tonight after work .... but then they'll just become my "daily" bummin shoes. Do you typically wear your shoes around the house to break them in before running in them? I typically do this with my tennis shoes (literally, tennis shoes ... not that Michigan hub-bub term for ALL shoes). I think the break-in helps for them because they're so durable and it allows for my foot to form them a little bit. If the Kinvara's are cushiony, I'm wondering if it's even necessary.

 

[cbrunny]

Yes, strongly suggest breaking them in. When I get new shoes I wear them often around the house and stuff, then alternate new with old for a week or two of running.

I once got a new pair (same model, just new ones) and didn't do this, and paid for it dearly. I limped for a week. It was awful.

The break in isn't for the shoe, its for your foot. The ligaments, tendons, muscles, etc have only had to move in one way, really, with the old pair of shoes. Any new pair will have them moving even slightly differently, which can cause inflammation and horrible pain.

 

[ControlD]

I break my new shoes in by taking them on a short to medium length run (5 miles or so max). I never do a long run in a brand new pair of shoes, I usually get 2-3 runs in and them put them into my normal rotation. I'm not sure that is completely necessary especially if it is a model I have worn before, but nothing sucks worse than getting a blister on a first run. It might also depend on how much shoe you are wearing. There isn't much to the Kinveras (no medial posting or other stability material) so there isn't much to break in.

As evidenced by the post above however, everyone is different. If you are used to breaking new shoes in I would stick with that.

 

[slag]

I used to run in the mornings, but in Kansas its rarely good weather to run. It's either too hot or too cold at 5:30 to run it seems. I now run at lunch on the treadmill. I do 2-3 miles a day and then MWF lift weights with deadlifts on Wednesday or Friday.

I wear these: http://www.rakuten.com/prod/mizuno-...e&adid=29963&gclid=CIaW_7OUsM8CFQMIaQodgAQCtA

 

[blackdogdeek]

This might be a dumb question, but why do you alternate?

When I used to run, I would buy two pairs of the same shoe, usually Asics gels, and alternate on subsequent runs. I never gathered any empirical data but I did feel like the cushioning took more than a day to return to normal so giving each pair an extra day to recover prolonged the lives and utility of the shoes. More succinctly, one pair of shoes might last 3 months, but two pairs of shoes would last longer than 6 months. Again, only anecdotal evidence, so grains of salt must be taken.

EDIT: I didn't realize I was on the first page of this thread so I was responding an old post

 

[ControlD]

I'm tempted to give the Saucony Virrata a try. My Kinvaras are starting to break down a bit (they don't last super long, 300-500 miles probably). I haven't ever tried a 0mm drop shoe, but these look pretty decent.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Think it was time? Just did 3 miles in the Kinvaras. Didn't realize how wide they are! Lovem.