EA will never get my money again...

[BrightCandle]

If you follow the credo above, you are not buying almost any games at all. Just saying.

Diablo 3 for me was first an in ability to play due to load on the always online servers. Then it turned into getting booted from the game regularly. Finally it was a whole week of downtime in the evenings. I could not play that game for 2 solid weeks, by which point I had had enough. If there is one thing I have learnt its that the drm game is not fun and you dont win it you only ever avoid loosing.

There are plenty of games that don't treat you like a criminal for buying them. These rules isolate then worst offenders only.

 

[thespyder]

Diablo 3 for me was first an in ability to play due to load on the always online servers. Then it turned into getting booted from the game regularly. Finally it was a whole week of downtime in the evenings. I could not play that game for 2 solid weeks, by which point I had had enough. If there is one thing I have learnt its that the drm game is not fun and you dont win it you only ever avoid loosing.

There are plenty of games that don't treat you like a criminal for buying them. These rules isolate then worst offenders only.

Just saying, don't condemn the entire catelogue of the publisher based on a bad experience. I too had problems with Diablo 3. And abhor the always online as completely needless and a total money grab. but I am not going to condemn games like StarCraft or Warcraft merely because of what the current management thinks will make them money.

EA is a different matter. They are reprehensible from the get go. But not (Just) because of their DRM strategies.

All I am saying is, DRM is prevalent across most major production houses (and even most of the minor ones). And I bet , from your posts, that there are games that have it that you aren't aware of. Point is, you have had some bad experiences. And are condemning based on those experiences. Hate the game companies for their real sins, not just some perceived ones

 

[JumBie]

I was contacted by an EA origin developer and had a refund processed. The game has now been removed from my origin account, however no money has been seen. Ill continue to wait and hope that maybe at least this part will go through smoothly.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Just saying, don't condemn the entire catelogue of the publisher based on a bad experience. I too had problems with Diablo 3. And abhor the always online as completely needless and a total money grab. but I am not going to condemn games like StarCraft or Warcraft merely because of what the current management thinks will make them money.

EA is a different matter. They are reprehensible from the get go. But not (Just) because of their DRM strategies.

All I am saying is, DRM is prevalent across most major production houses (and even most of the minor ones). And I bet , from your posts, that there are games that have it that you aren't aware of. Point is, you have had some bad experiences. And are condemning based on those experiences. Hate the game companies for their real sins, not just some perceived ones

Activision is pretty reprehensible; granted, I don't dislike them as much as EA. I can understand people not buying their games. It's not likely you'll see an offline game from activision-blizzard in the future. Unless the current management changes it's totally valid to condemn them. Expecting different treatment from the same abuser isn't a good idea.

 

[thespyder]

Activision is pretty reprehensible; granted, I don't dislike them as much as EA. I can understand people not buying their games. It's not likely you'll see an offline game from activision-blizzard in the future. Unless the current management changes it's totally valid to condemn them. Expecting different treatment from the same abuser isn't a good idea.

I guess my point was hate them for the terrible things that they do. Not (Just) DRM. Hating a company for DRM is like Hating Honda because their cars use gas.

Agreed Activision is reprehensible. So EA. And others. But hate them because they make sub par games, enforce draconian limitations on the games, have absolutely no regard for the gaming community, keep on consolizing the industry, and are 120% about making money despite their constituents. AND because of DRM. but not JUST because of DRM.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I guess my point was hate them for the terrible things that they do. Not (Just) DRM. Hating a company for DRM is like Hating Honda because their cars use gas.

Agreed Activision is reprehensible. So EA. And others. But hate them because they make sub par games, enforce draconian limitations on the games, have absolutely no regard for the gaming community, keep on consolizing the industry, and are 120% about making money despite their constituents. AND because of DRM. but not JUST because of DRM.

The draconian limitations on their games is their DRM though.

 

[thespyder]

The draconian limitations on their games is their DRM though.

Some of it, yes. not all. Some of it is stupid control schemes. Some of it is invisible walls and fixed save points. Some of it is crappy AI. Get the picture?

 

[HeXen]

and on the bright side of the news today...i had no problems with my purchase of BF3
:biggrin:
so just take my money EA and shut up!

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Some of it, yes. not all. Some of it is stupid control schemes. Some of it is invisible walls and fixed save points. Some of it is crappy AI. Get the picture?

The draconian pieces to their DRM is alone sufficient to hate their DRM. Get the picture?

 

[IEC]

I got BF3 from a free download coupon that came with a hardware purchase. I played maybe twice, then uninstalled. I hate Origin/EA for all the reasons mentioned in this thread.

VASTLY inferior to Steam.

 

[wirednuts]

so basically 90% of the cool games are not buyable because of DRM.... which believe me i do understand why we cant buy that shitty coding... but the pc gaming industry is nearly dead as it is. i think they are doing this just to further boost console sales.

 

[JumBie]

$45.19 has been refunded back into my paypal account. Another thanks to the Origin developer whom I will not name, who helped me out and finally provided me with the refund that I've been asking for since July 15th.

 

[Annisman*]

Wow, just read that entire thread of yours over at EA. What a load of crap you had to deal with.

Glad you got your money back, youre probably one of the lucky few.

 

[diesbudt]

so basically 90% of the cool games are not buyable because of DRM.... which believe me i do understand why we cant buy that shitty coding... but the pc gaming industry is nearly dead as it is. i think they are doing this just to further boost console sales.

Actually with steam, and other avenues, PC gaming has never been more alive. Just because some people do not like DRM, and your opinion is against it, does not mean PC gaming is dead.

I honestly have no problem with DRM, then again I also have a wired internet desktop, and not a wireless laptop.

I also have not had many issues with DRM. All the issues people had with D3, I didn't. Why? I honestly don't know, I didn't look for simularities/differences, But I didn't. So if we are using personal evidence to point out what is good / not good. Then my evidence cancels out the other side of evidence.

And Thespyder is right, don't bash a company JUST for DRM, get them for games or service. In the next 5-10 years DRM is probably all that is going to be around for PC and consoles (Microsoft wants it in next Xbox, and the next playstation is looking for a strong online pressence as well).

 

[Genx87]

Origin is why I wont get Simcity 5.

 

[Wardawg1001]

You wasted your $45 when you decided to buy BF3 for the PC. PC FPS gaming is dead, hackers and cheaters are rampant, and theres no way to stop them.

 

[JumBie]

Wow, just read that entire thread of yours over at EA. What a load of crap you had to deal with.

Glad you got your money back, youre probably one of the lucky few.

Yeh, Glad you could imagine the frustration I had to go through, it was ridiculous , thanks.

 

[Barfo]

lol, PC Gaming is very much alive. Get with the times morons.

 

[thespyder]

The draconian pieces to their DRM is alone sufficient to hate their DRM. Get the picture?

The fact that I got a paper cut from the packaging on a cigaret package is enough reason to hate Big Tobacco. forget the fact that they cause cancer and kill more people than any other single legal industry in the world.

Get the picture? Why focus on the small stuff when there are MUCH bigger issues to complain about. And DRM is only one small piece of a much larger issue.

Not sure why we are arguing. we both agree that the companies are not helping the market and have a lot of bad practices.

 

[cmdrdredd]

You wasted your $45 when you decided to buy BF3 for the PC. PC FPS gaming is dead, hackers and cheaters are rampant, and theres no way to stop them.

Really? Common...there's a reason people have online friends and cheaters are always found and kicked pretty quickly. There's as much or more cheating on the consoles.

You can miss out, up to you. PC is the only way IMO to play FPS. There's some that you have to play on console because of exclusives but the PC is superior in every way when you have a choice.

 

[Wardawg1001]

Really? Common...there's a reason people have online friends and cheaters are always found and kicked pretty quickly. There's as much or more cheating on the consoles.

You can miss out, up to you. PC is the only way IMO to play FPS. There's some that you have to play on console because of exclusives but the PC is superior in every way when you have a choice.

Not when you are forced into matchmaking servers that just throw you together with randoms and theres no way to kick cheaters.

Thats not even the point. I don't want to have to go find a good server with a good admin and a set of honest players to enjoy playing my FPS. I WANT matchmaking, I WANT to be able to hop on whenever, whether anyone else I know is on at the time, and not have to worry about whether my server has enough active players at the time to make it fun. I don't want to be stuck playing against the same people all the time. This is what console FPS's have given us, and there is no noticeable amount of cheating in it. Sure theres been bugs that people exploited (certain CoD maps come to mind) for a while that should have been fixed faster, but by a HUUUUUUUUGE margin cheating is far less prevalent on consoles than PC's, largely because its a lot more difficult to mod your console for cheating, and you can get your entire console perma-banned from Xbox-Live if you get caught, which is quite a deterrent.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Not when you are forced into matchmaking servers that just throw you together with randoms and theres no way to kick cheaters.

Thats not even the point. I don't want to have to go find a good server with a good admin and a set of honest players to enjoy playing my FPS. I WANT matchmaking, I WANT to be able to hop on whenever, whether anyone else I know is on at the time, and not have to worry about whether my server has enough active players at the time to make it fun. I don't want to be stuck playing against the same people all the time. This is what console FPS's have given us, and there is no noticeable amount of cheating in it. Sure theres been bugs that people exploited (certain CoD maps come to mind) for a while that should have been fixed faster, but by a HUUUUUUUUGE margin cheating is far less prevalent on consoles than PC's, largely because its a lot more difficult to mod your console for cheating, and you can get your entire console perma-banned from Xbox-Live if you get caught, which is quite a deterrent.

LOL ok then get out of the PC games forum if you hate it so much. You just need to stop playing lame games like CoD.

Your whole attitude is what's wrong with PC gaming. The games are there, the quality is there, but your attitude makes companies want to vomit.

 

[coldmeat]

Thats not even the point. I don't want to have to go find a good server with a good admin and a set of honest players to enjoy playing my FPS. I WANT matchmaking, I WANT to be able to hop on whenever, whether anyone else I know is on at the time, and not have to worry about whether my server has enough active players at the time to make it fun. I don't want to be stuck playing against the same people all the time.

I would rather spend maybe 30 minutes finding a few good servers when I first get a game, than get stuck with complete idiots and randoms 90% of the time (like on the 360). There's nothing more frustrating than playing a team based FPS on XBL.

Also, I don't understand what you meant by the bolded line. How would you be "stuck" playing against the same people all the time? Why are you playing with people that you don't want to play with in the first place? And again, playing with the same good people all the time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XBL randoms.

Don't get me wrong though, I play COD on my 360 a lot, and actually use my 360 more than my desktop lately, but that's for other reasons.

You can't really say consoles>pc or vice versa, they both suck equally, just in different ways.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

The fact that I got a paper cut from the packaging on a cigaret package is enough reason to hate Big Tobacco. forget the fact that they cause cancer and kill more people than any other single legal industry in the world.

Get the picture? Why focus on the small stuff when there are MUCH bigger issues to complain about. And DRM is only one small piece of a much larger issue.

Not sure why we are arguing. we both agree that the companies are not helping the market and have a lot of bad practices.

*rolleyes* because tobacco companies made a conscious decision to give you a paper cut. Way to go off into complete stupidity. I personally don't mind that DIII is always online. It's inherently multiplayer to me. That doesn't mean it's an equal priority to all people, or that people against it are somehow being dumb. They only need so much of a reason to avoid products they don't like; it's not necessary for everyone to form support groups and write their thesis about all the things they don't like about a company.

 

[Wardawg1001]

LOL ok then get out of the PC games forum if you hate it so much. You just need to stop playing lame games like CoD.

Your whole attitude is what's wrong with PC gaming. The games are there, the quality is there, but your attitude makes companies want to vomit.

Who the hell said I don't like PC games? I just said FPS PC games are dead. The only reason they ever worked was because independently run servers with active admins who would monitor and ban cheaters, hackers, sore losers, and tools in general, and boot them out of the damn server. These sorry ass excuses for automated cheat detection in modern PC FPS games that let blatant cheaters run rampant for weeks, months, or even years without doing shit about it is what has ruined PC FPS's. You simply can't have an automated matchmaking service when you can't stop there from being 10-50% of the players in the matches being bots or using some kind of hack - it ruins the game. Hack detection systems are a complete failure, the players cant do anything but put up with it or try to keep moving to a new server until they find one with less hackers, and in the end the experience is ruined - at least for me.

I much prefer console FPS simply because I know I don't have to go find some tight knit community of players with an active admin who run their own server and keep a close eye on anyone who might be hacking or botting - just so I can sit down and enjoy a couple hours of shooting people in the face. I want exactly what you get on the console, automated matchmaking, I don't need to search out an active server where I play with the same players over and over and over, I get a new experience every time, and hackers and botters are few and far between because there are a lot less people out there willing to go through all the effort of modding their $200+ Xbox and risk getting it perma-banned from Xbox-Live.

Other than that, I love PC games. FPS, sports, and JRPG's are about the only thing I play on consoles.