Originally posted by: s44
What are you quoting this for? This assertion, taken as holy writ by many, was proved totally wrong. The pirates only came up with broken, unfinishable versions of a cracked game. Even if they succeed in a few weeks, it doesn't matter. It's the initial wave of sales that's important, and the DRM seems to have worked in this case.Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Originally posted by: Lithan
This is hilarious. It'll be cracked in a matter of hours after release.
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Why are sales in the initial wave more important than sales later? The game will cost the same in two weeks, so any purchases made at that time will be just as valid as purchases made on day one. The publisher doesn't give a shit, they make the same amount of money either way.
Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'd be curious to know who bought Mass Effect and who didn't because of the DRM. It seems like a lot of people here purchased the game and enjoyed it immensely, despite the DRM issues.
Originally posted by: mindcycle
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Why are sales in the initial wave more important than sales later? The game will cost the same in two weeks, so any purchases made at that time will be just as valid as purchases made on day one. The publisher doesn't give a shit, they make the same amount of money either way.
It's like a big budget movie title, where most of the profit is made off the debut weekend. Same thing with video games. A good chunk of the profit is made during the first few days or during the first week. So stopping the game from be pirated right away will "theoretically" lead to more sales during that time period. But.. if there wasn't DRM at all, how many people would have bought the game that refused to because of the DRM.. Makes you wonder.
I still don't understand why these big game companies don't adapt a different outlook. Why make it harder for your customer to use a product they paid for? The pirates have no intention of buying anything, so is a pirated copy really a lost sale?
Originally posted by: s44
What are you quoting this for? This assertion, taken as holy writ by many, was proved totally wrong. The pirates only came up with broken, unfinishable versions of a cracked game. Even if they succeed in a few weeks, it doesn't matter. It's the initial wave of sales that's important, and the DRM seems to have worked in this case.Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Originally posted by: Lithan
This is hilarious. It'll be cracked in a matter of hours after release.
Originally posted by: s44
What are you quoting this for? This assertion, taken as holy writ by many, was proved totally wrong. The pirates only came up with broken, unfinishable versions of a cracked game. Even if they succeed in a few weeks, it doesn't matter. It's the initial wave of sales that's important, and the DRM seems to have worked in this case.
Originally posted by: wbynum
Originally posted by: s44
What are you quoting this for? This assertion, taken as holy writ by many, was proved totally wrong. The pirates only came up with broken, unfinishable versions of a cracked game. Even if they succeed in a few weeks, it doesn't matter. It's the initial wave of sales that's important, and the DRM seems to have worked in this case.Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Originally posted by: Lithan
This is hilarious. It'll be cracked in a matter of hours after release.
I totally disagree. The vast majority of pirates are just going to wait a week or two for a working copy of the game. The pirates are not the people that go out and buy the game when it is released.
Orange Box doesn't really have crippling DRM. It does a 1-time validation through Steam, then you can run in offline mode after that if you want to. I guess it's a huge pain if you don't have a Steam account, but it's a pretty seemless install for those of us who do. Overall I like the Steam system, and my only real concern is what will happen when Valve goes out of business or is taken over by a shit company like EA or Ubisoft.Originally posted by: wanderer27
I'm in the same Boat:
Orange Box
Crysis
Bioshock
ME
Spore
Games I have/had some interest in until the DRM status came to light - I'm just not going to support DRM.
Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Orange Box doesn't really have crippling DRM. It does a 1-time validation through Steam, then you can run in offline mode after that if you want to. I guess it's a huge pain if you don't have a Steam account, but it's a pretty seemless install for those of us who do. Overall I like the Steam system, and my only real concern is what will happen when Valve goes out of business or is taken over by a shit company like EA or Ubisoft.Originally posted by: wanderer27
I'm in the same Boat:
Orange Box
Crysis
Bioshock
ME
Spore
Games I have/had some interest in until the DRM status came to light - I'm just not going to support DRM.
I can't say the DRM afffected my liking of Mass Effect, since I don't really care about this game anyway. What I can say is that DRM is the only reason I did not buy Assassin's Creed. I was right there, in Best Buy, with the game in my hands, and then I see that it won't work because I have Alcoho 52% installed. I was ready to buy it, and the DRM drove me away.
Originally posted by: mindcycle
I keep bringing it up.. but what's hilariously about the whole DRM thing is all it does is frustrate paying customers. For some reason the industry wants to think DRM is protecting them from lost sales. ..but pirates aren't going to pay for the game anyway!
Originally posted by: wanderer27
3. Big picture (Microsoft's view) - DRM is (slowly) going to get more insidious, and Joe Sixpack is basically going to put up with it to get his gaming fix. Oh, he'll bitch and moan about it, but we'll (M$) keep him locked into our platform. By supporting and promoting DRM we'll eventually move him to our fee based OS, where he'll pay us for the rest of his life to use our OS. Maybe we'll even throw some in more Spyware as an added bonus.
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: wanderer27
3. Big picture (Microsoft's view) - DRM is (slowly) going to get more insidious, and Joe Sixpack is basically going to put up with it to get his gaming fix. Oh, he'll bitch and moan about it, but we'll (M$) keep him locked into our platform. By supporting and promoting DRM we'll eventually move him to our fee based OS, where he'll pay us for the rest of his life to use our OS. Maybe we'll even throw some in more Spyware as an added bonus.
If that happens, I will drop windows for Linux in a heart beat. These big players are going to cause the next electronic gaming crash . . . and naturally they will blame piracy for it. Meanwhile, companies like Stardock and their DRM free titles will enjoy solid sales.
Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'd be curious to know who bought Mass Effect and who didn't because of the DRM. It seems like a lot of people here purchased the game and enjoyed it immensely, despite the DRM issues.
Originally posted by: Golgatha
Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'd be curious to know who bought Mass Effect and who didn't because of the DRM. It seems like a lot of people here purchased the game and enjoyed it immensely, despite the DRM issues.
I bought it because it has a 90%+ on Gamerankings, and I like the Sci-Fi RPG genre. Bioware rarely puts out a bad game too (we'll see how they do now that they have the EA clap).
Had this been a mediocre title, or really a good but not AAA polished title; I'd have passed it over and got my gaming fix elsewhere. I bought Mass Effect, in spite of the draconian DRM, because it is a AAA title. Same goes for Bioshock and the Orange Box for me. I don't like to support Securom or Steam, but I'm also a gamer with a Crossfired HD3870, 4GB RAM, Q6600 setup who doesn't own a PS3 or XBox 360 and who loves to play games. I don't welcome our new draconian digital overlords, but I submit to get my gaming fix none-the-less.
Originally posted by: Bateluer
To be fair, Mass Effect was developed by Bioware when they were still independently owned.
Originally posted by: wanderer27
When you see crap like this:
http://consumerist.com/consume...rnationally-314690.php
Granted, these are International versions sold to U.S. customers . . . but so what?
What's it matter if I buy my game from on overseas distributor? They're still getting their money?
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: wanderer27
When you see crap like this:
http://consumerist.com/consume...rnationally-314690.php
Granted, these are International versions sold to U.S. customers . . . but so what?
What's it matter if I buy my game from on overseas distributor? They're still getting their money?
Everyone who bought those got their games re-activated, i know because I bought one of them