e46 m3 vs s2000 vs mustang gt

[JulesMaximus]

You guys are seriously delusional. I really don't focus on the posters.

No, you're too busy focusing on yourself.

Congrats, this thread is now about you.

 

[Koing]

also a problem with most 'hot' cars that are now approaching 8 years old at worst is the swap factor. Some of these E46's have had 4+ owners and all just banking on 1-2 years in them meanwhile driving the piss out of them.

Maintenance is simply made up...

Same thing happens in the airplane market.

They are meant to be driven hard...just get one that has been maintained, full service history and plenty of receipts.

A car with few owners thats not been kept up with service is a poor buy.

Most of these cars are never driven that hard anyway. The speed limit is way too low. Get one from a good owner who has looked after the car. I drive my car hard at times but it's rare as the speed limit is low and only ever when the engines warmed up.

I always felt steering feel was one of the S2000's weaknesses. It is extremely direct, accurate, and well-weighted, but it doesn't communicate much. Actually, it's just that combo that makes it a bit of an issue, because it reacts RIGHT FUCKING NOW to any tiny movement, but you have to go by your butt and eyes to tell how hard you can push it. I'd say the hydraulic steering in my Accord actually communicates more about road surface and grip than the S2000.

The S2000 is still a scream to drive even with that one issue.

Really? Your Accord steering better then your S2000? What Accords do you have in the states?!

For me it's the best I've felt. Not 100% sure on the communication but it felt great on roads and the track on the 3 times I've taken it. I probably never pushed it anywhere as hard as it could go but I had fun.

Koing

 

[JCH13]

Really? Your Accord steering better then your S2000? What Accords do you have in the states?!

For me it's the best I've felt. Not 100% sure on the communication but it felt great on roads and the track on the 3 times I've taken it. I probably never pushed it anywhere as hard as it could go but I had fun.

Koing

A steering system can have what feels like a good weight, and feel responsive to input, but mute what the car (i.e. tires) are trying to tell you. I've never driven an S2K, so I can't comment on it's feel. I have noticed that some power steering systems can really mess things up. You'd really only notice this when you're starting to reach the tire's limits. I've got a de-powered steering rack and I couldn't be happier with it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

A steering system can have what feels like a good weight, and feel responsive to input, but mute what the car (i.e. tires) are trying to tell you. I've never driven an S2K, so I can't comment on it's feel. I have noticed that some power steering systems can really mess things up. You'd really only notice this when you're starting to reach the tire's limits. I've got a de-powered steering rack and I couldn't be happier with it.

That's why I love the Lotus Elise. No power assisted steering. I'm telling you, I've never driven a car that gave more feedback and feel through the steering wheel, pedals, brakes, seat, and shift lever. That car just felt so well balanced and direct. Like every part of the car that you touched became an extention of your body.

 

[Doppel]

That's why I love the Lotus Elise. No power assisted steering. I'm telling you, I've never driven a car that gave more feedback and feel through the steering wheel, pedals, brakes, seat, and shift lever. That car just felt so well balanced and direct. Like every part of the car that you touched became an extention of your body.

If the Elise was a woman which one would she be?

 

[Sulaco]

.But anyway, go ahead and spend $50k on your latest and greatest toy - then bring it to an autocross and watch a whole crowd of "barely running heaps" hand you your ass. It'll happen.

The day he gets jack shit and can prove it is the day Castiel comes back with a GT-R or two...
I have never seen such empty, insecure bravado in my time on here that I have with his posts.

 

[JulesMaximus]

If the Elise was a woman which one would she be?

Hell, I don't know. A young Angelina Jolie?

 

[alkemyst]

Hell, I don't know. A young Angelina Jolie?

think more Kate Moss.

 

[thomsbrain]

A steering system can have what feels like a good weight, and feel responsive to input, but mute what the car (i.e. tires) are trying to tell you. I've never driven an S2K, so I can't comment on it's feel. I have noticed that some power steering systems can really mess things up. You'd really only notice this when you're starting to reach the tire's limits. I've got a de-powered steering rack and I couldn't be happier with it.

Exactly, that's what I meant. The S2000 has stellar steering responsiveness and accuracy. It's the tactile aspect that suffers, as a result of its electric power steering. It does exactly what you tell it to do, but it's a one-way conversation, with you doing all the talking. It's not a deal-breaker, by any means. You learn to compensate by paying more attention to other sources of info about the road.

 

[Koing]

Exactly, that's what I meant. The S2000 has stellar steering responsiveness and accuracy. It's the tactile aspect that suffers, as a result of its electric power steering. It does exactly what you tell it to do, but it's a one-way conversation, with you doing all the talking. It's not a deal-breaker, by any means. You learn to compensate by paying more attention to other sources of info about the road.

Gotcha.

You guys are pushing harder then me in the S2000

Koimg

 

[Excelsior]

Gotcha.

You guys are pushing harder then me in the S2000

Koimg

As an S2000 owner, I can kind of agree with what Thomsbrain is saying. I love the direct/weighty feel of the steering but it certainly doesn't tell me anything.

 

[JCH13]

As an S2000 owner, I can kind of agree with what Thomsbrain is saying. I love the direct/weighty feel of the steering but it certainly doesn't tell me anything.

This could suck at the track if you're trying to get 100% out of your car, 70%-80% it won't be too bad. I feel a lot of what my car is doing through the steering wheel and I'd feel crippled without it.

 

[thomsbrain]

Gotcha.

You guys are pushing harder then me in the S2000

Koimg

Stay in your limits and comfort zone on the street. If you push too hard, you'll crash. Ask me how I know.

 

[Excelsior]

This could suck at the track if you're trying to get 100% out of your car, 70%-80% it won't be too bad. I feel a lot of what my car is doing through the steering wheel and I'd feel crippled without it.

Yeah. I had mine at the track a few months back. It definitely went where I wanted it to go, but I never felt like I had 100% confidence in what was happening.