E3 disappointing

[zagood]

Don't forget about From Dust and Payday: The Heist. Those look VERY promising.

 

[SMOGZINN]

º New Torchlight 2 media/updates/status (anything new about that one?)

Apparently they were demoing Torchlight 2 multiplayer. Read something about it over at 1up I think.

 

[Monster_Munch]

do we even know the hardware specs on it yet?

As far as I know the Wii U has a 45nm quad core IBM power PC CPU, so like the Xbox 360 with 1 extra core and a bit more speed. The GPU is based on the AMD R770 with 1GB GDDR5, so it should be close to a 4870 or 4890.

It should be able to run anything the current Xbox or PS3 can run, at full 1080p, maybe with full screen AA.

 

[sigurros81]

As far as I know the Wii U has a 45nm quad core IBM power PC CPU, so like the Xbox 360 with 1 extra core and a bit more speed. The GPU is based on the AMD R770 with 1GB GDDR5, so it should be close to a 4870 or 4890.

It should be able to run anything the current Xbox or PS3 can run, at full 1080p, maybe with full screen AA.

So it's the equivalent of a 2005 computer

 

[gorcorps]

So it's the equivalent of a 2005 computer

Surprised? It's Nintendo. As of late they've been all about using dated hardware and banking all on the novelty of the control scheme. DS has dual screens and a touch interface, Wii had motion controls, and now this Wii U has a huge controller/screen hybrid thing that is not going to be sold separately... so you get one fancy controller per console. Looks be backwards compatible with the Wii motes, but meh.

 

[Monster_Munch]

So it's the equivalent of a 2005 computer

Technically a 2008 PC.

But it's still going to be faster than a 360 or PS3. They want to keep the price down and that touchscreen controller won't be cheap to manufacture.

 

[fire400]

i wanna see a new mechwarrior game, with completely new bots in addition to the old ones too.

also, wanna see a chrono trigger 2 with the original cast.

 

[Arglebargle]

Technically a 2008 PC.

But it's still going to be faster than a 360 or PS3. They want to keep the price down and that touchscreen controller won't be cheap to manufacture.

Hopefully it will put pressure on MS and Sony to speed up their new console development. The Nintendo will be the top console by far when it releases. And personally I like their controller and have some uses for it should it be hackable to the PC.

 

[thilanliyan]

The problem is this. Most PC gamers pump so much money into their machines but then they cheap out on the games. Console games are $60 but pc gamers only want to pay $50. Or because of the digital distribution sites they only purchase when there's a big discount. We're lucky we get any games at all. If I'm a producer and my goal is to make money for my investors I'm going with consoles or even smart phones/tablets before I'd worry about the PC platform.

Edit: And I agree with gocorps' post above.

Why shouldn't PC games cost less? Game sales are not subsidizing the cost of my PC (which is the case for consoles, at least when they first come out). If I spend $1000 or $1500 or whatever on my PC then no I don't want to spend the same amount on games as I would on my PS3. What is ironic is, is that I probably spend more on PC games as I buy most of my PS3 games used.

 

[sigurros81]

Why shouldn't PC games cost less? Game sales are not subsidizing the cost of my PC (which is the case for consoles, at least when they first come out). If I spend $1000 or $1500 or whatever on my PC then no I don't want to spend the same amount on games as I would on my PS3. What is ironic is, is that I probably spend more on PC games as I buy most of my PS3 games used.

Someone missed the Steam train.

 

[tonygeor]

This was my first E3 and I thought it was great! I'm not sure how well the new Wii U controller will be received, but in my hands it seemed fairly sturdy and surprisingly light.

 

[tonygeor]

Hopefully it will put pressure on MS and Sony to speed up their new console development. The Nintendo will be the top console by far when it releases. And personally I like their controller and have some uses for it should it be hackable to the PC.

PS4 and Xbox 720 at next year's E3 is my prediction

 

[mmntech]

I'm excited about the PSVita. Took them a while but they finally got the PSP right this time. Not much on the PC front but E3 really isn't for PC gamers anyway. At least not anymore.

 

[wuliheron]

Why shouldn't PC games cost less? Game sales are not subsidizing the cost of my PC (which is the case for consoles, at least when they first come out). If I spend $1000 or $1500 or whatever on my PC then no I don't want to spend the same amount on games as I would on my PS3. What is ironic is, is that I probably spend more on PC games as I buy most of my PS3 games used.

A) Consoles are standardized making it cheaper to develop games specifically for them.

B) Consoles sell more games making it possible to sell them at lower prices then for the PC and still reap higher profits.

 

[KaOTiK]

A) Consoles are standardized making it cheaper to develop games specifically for them.

B) Consoles sell more games making it possible to sell them at lower prices then for the PC and still reap higher profits.

Neither of these really mean they should be cheaper then $60 imo.

The big reason though they should be cheaper is because there is no license fee to sell games on the PC. To sell a game on a console you have to pay a license fee for each copy of a game sold to whomever made the console (Sony, MS, Nintendo), there fees vary but are around $7-9 last time I knew.

 

[Darksider94]

Meh. Personally, the only things that I was excited about at this year's E3 was the PSPVita and Bioshock Infinite.

The Wii U is just....bleh. The only thing new that it brought to the table was its controller. And even that was THAT special. Yeah it'll be cool, but it'll also be an annoyance because of a) It's size b) It's price(Although, apparently you can only hook one up to the Wii at a time) c) Battery life(uggghhh is it gonna be terrible).

 

[zerocool84]

Meh. Personally, the only things that I was excited about at this year's E3 was the PSPVita and Bioshock Infinite.

The Wii U is just....bleh. The only thing new that it brought to the table was its controller. And even that was THAT special. Yeah it'll be cool, but it'll also be an annoyance because of a) It's size b) It's price(Although, apparently you can only hook one up to the Wii at a time) c) Battery life(uggghhh is it gonna be terrible).

There is no price on the controller because as of right now the only way you can get one is buying the system. Also we don't know battery life but it shouldn't be terrible since it's just receiving the images from the system. It's not processing the whole game. Nintendo products have usually had great battery life with the 3DS being the only recent exception.

 

[wuliheron]

Neither of these really mean they should be cheaper then $60 imo.

The big reason though they should be cheaper is because there is no license fee to sell games on the PC. To sell a game on a console you have to pay a license fee for each copy of a game sold to whomever made the console (Sony, MS, Nintendo), there fees vary but are around $7-9 last time I knew.

I'm not saying consoles should be cheaper, merely that there are reasons why PC games are not cheaper. At least, not for recent AAA titles. Technically you can download endless PC games for free and countless titles for a couple of bucks.

 

[paperfist]

What's the game Curt Shilling was demoing?

 

[Anubis]

Serious Sam 3 is there, that instantly makes E3 a success.

theres that

and then

Rage
BF3
Uncharted 3
Halo 4
ME3
Skyrim
Bioshock
Torchlight 2
Dead Island
Ruin

 

[KaOTiK]

I'm not saying consoles should be cheaper, merely that there are reasons why PC games are not cheaper. At least, not for recent AAA titles. Technically you can download endless PC games for free and countless titles for a couple of bucks.

It wasn't meant towards you so much as the person you quoted, sorry.

I wasn't talking about making console games cheaper anyways. Was stating why making PC games more expensive was simply stupid with no license fees existing for it.

 

[Aikouka]

A) Consoles are standardized making it cheaper to develop games specifically for them.

Direct X?

May not work on Linux and Mac OS, but if you want that, OpenGL would also suffice.

EDIT:

To avoid you posting the response that I would expect from the above, yes I do realize that not all PCs are the same unlike consoles (which is actually untrue in regard to cross-platform/console games, but we'll ignore that). I would assume that a PC game is actually developed for a target platform including hardware, but to also shoot for playability on a minimum set of hardware. Although, this doesn't mean they'll get the same experience as those with more powerful hardware. It's kind of like playing the dumbed-down Wii versions of games . (Yeah, yeah... I went there)

 

[Monster_Munch]

I hope the next gen consoles open up for indie developers a bit more.

I would like to see public SDKs to replicate the success of Apple's app store. I'm not saying I want to play angry birds on my PS4, but some of my most played games on PC have been indie titles like Minecraft, Defense Grid and Magicka.

 

[nyker96]

man the BF3 E3 demo is just some incredible stuff. The environment created by the frostbyte engine feels so real like nothing else. It's got to be the best looking game out there when it comes out. I wonder what is the BF3 system requirement.

 

[wuliheron]

Direct X?

May not work on Linux and Mac OS, but if you want that, OpenGL would also suffice.

EDIT:

To avoid you posting the response that I would expect from the above, yes I do realize that not all PCs are the same unlike consoles (which is actually untrue in regard to cross-platform/console games, but we'll ignore that). I would assume that a PC game is actually developed for a target platform including hardware, but to also shoot for playability on a minimum set of hardware. Although, this doesn't mean they'll get the same experience as those with more powerful hardware. It's kind of like playing the dumbed-down Wii versions of games . (Yeah, yeah... I went there)

Again, if you want a cheap PC game they do exist. You can even download some pretty advanced games like America's Army for free. What we're really talking about here are the latest and greatest AAA titles with an average development cost of 50 to 100 million dollars. Within a single year a game like that can go from $60.oo down to $20.oo on the market.

In other words, these guys have to maximize their profit as fast as they can. If they release a game on PC it means taking the chance it will have bugs, that PC gamers will see every little flaw in the game and complain, etc. and it will affect sales. There are countless reasons why AAA titles should not be cheaper on the PC, and saving a little money using opengl or dx is not going to affect the equation significantly when so many other factors are involved.