Dynoed the car today *Now with video*

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: lRageATMl
not bad...i have a few more horsey's then you....but then again I pay up the ass for it :|

It's all good though...11's at teh track and can turn with the best of them...gotta love it 🙂

I really like the Cobra...If I didn't have a family I would probably own one right now...Oh well, I wouldn't trade them for anything...especially not a car.

BTW-I've done a fair amount of auto repairs myself. I'm no stranger to wrenches and greasy dirt.

 

[rpc64]

/noob question: What does it mean to "dyno" a vehicle?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: xenos500


mustangs corner really bad....

hmmm myth....maybe stock yeah, with the IRS on the newer Cobra's I bet they can give the best of them a run.

The best handling car I know of in stock form is the 944 Turbo S....another highly underestimated car. People think the 0-60 7.5-8 sec of the standard 944's....however the Turbo S in stock form would record a 13.5 1/4 and 5.5 0-60 time....now that quarter mile was severely limited by the way the car was made to be a lapping car and not a straight line racer.

Once I get a garage that's going to be one in my stable. I have come close to doing it already, but my daily driver now reminds me of the damn florida sun (first dash crack this week, luckily in my car it is easily replacable and should be like $10 if I can find it in a wrecking yard).

 

[Que-TiP]

where is that dyno place located? i want to go get my focus done 🙂

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: notfred
If we're doing 12% drivetrain loss, you've only got to add 200HP to catch up to my car at the crankshaft. 🙂

but your car looks like a$$.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: rpc64
/noob question: What does it mean to "dyno" a vehicle?

A dynometer (dyno for short) is a device that measures how quickly you can spin it....in doing so it is able to compute the horsepower and torque.

There is a setup involved with gear ratios and what not and those are factored in.

Gear selection makes a difference also, some cars get better 2nd gear vs 3rd gear numbers....1st is usually 'too quick' a gear and 4th 'too slow'....

Some use two rollers, some one...some connect to the hubs of the car (chassis dynos)

engine dynos are also available which the engine attaches directly too.

 

[TrueBlueLS]

Originally posted by: OS

Did they use a dynojet or a dynapack?

Dynapacks tend to read 10% higher than dynojets, which is the standard, and when you consider you have an intake, there's probably nothing unusual about how much your car is dynoing.

As you've found, it is a dynapack dyno. I think your keyword in your first statement was "tend." We had 2 people that dynoed their cars on a dynojet back in July dyno the same numbers as they did on the dynapack this weekend. I think the reason why everyone believes there's an error to it is because of improper setup.

Flyermax2k3... To be able to have a mid 15 second timeslip in a bone stock (ran last year before the intake and lower mount) is quick to a Cavalier owner. You mentioned how much it'd take to be able to run a 13 second pass in a Cavalier? I could use the same $1,000 guideline as you. That would consist of a NX wet kit, MSD-2, and a header. That right there would be enough to push me into the upper 13s. I want my car to be quick all the time and not have to refill a nitrous bottle. I should be heading out towards your area come summer next year to visit my cousin out there. Let me know if you have any tracks by you.

EDIT: I never said the intake and lower mount would net 20 HP over a powerband range. I'd admit that I'd be lucky if I could get 3-4 HP to the wheels with that. I just think this is one of the stronger builds of the motor.

batmang... I'm guessing you didn't realize in the post I said no motor swaps. I don't understand why everyone who owns a Honda thinks that they need to do a motor swap. Can't you take what you have existing in your car right now and build it into something decent? You're the "ricer" for calling me out and saying I'm stupid. To you it may be jaw dropping for a car that isn't as expensive blow the doors off of one that is. To me, it's jaw dropping to see the same Cavalier dyno 267 HP and run a 13.47 quarter mile (over in Grand Rapids, MI). Grow up man... I'm just stating my achievements so far like any other car enthuasist will. There is no "ricer" in my opinion that can tell you what they have done to their car, the car's compression ratio, what it has dynoed, and runs in a quarter mile. Plus it gives other people who do drive N/A 4 cylinders to stand up and post in here and know someone else is pushing for the same goal.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: LAUST
Dyno numbers are only good for tuning IMO... it's not a real world HP number... if you produced the TQ @ the wheels my truck does you would run the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds in your car.

The real number that means anything comes from the ET/MPH at the end of a 1/4 mile run 😉

You live your life a quarter mile at a time?

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: LAUST
Dyno numbers are only good for tuning IMO... it's not a real world HP number... if you produced the TQ @ the wheels my truck does you would run the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds in your car.

The real number that means anything comes from the ET/MPH at the end of a 1/4 mile run 😉

You live your life a quarter mile at a time?

only 1/16th the time 😉

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS

Originally posted by: OS

Did they use a dynojet or a dynapack?

Dynapacks tend to read 10% higher than dynojets, which is the standard, and when you consider you have an intake, there's probably nothing unusual about how much your car is dynoing.

As you've found, it is a dynapack dyno. I think your keyword in your first statement was "tend." We had 2 people that dynoed their cars on a dynojet back in July dyno the same numbers as they did on the dynapack this weekend. I think the reason why everyone believes there's an error to it is because of improper setup.

Flyermax2k3... To be able to have a mid 15 second timeslip in a bone stock (ran last year before the intake and lower mount) is quick to a Cavalier owner. You mentioned how much it'd take to be able to run a 13 second pass in a Cavalier? I could use the same $1,000 guideline as you. That would consist of a NX wet kit, MSD-2, and a header. That right there would be enough to push me into the upper 13s. I want my car to be quick all the time and not have to refill a nitrous bottle. I should be heading out towards your area come summer next year to visit my cousin out there. Let me know if you have any tracks by you.

EDIT: I never said the intake and lower mount would net 20 HP over a powerband range. I'd admit that I'd be lucky if I could get 3-4 HP to the wheels with that. I just think this is one of the stronger builds of the motor.

batmang... I'm guessing you didn't realize in the post I said no motor swaps. I don't understand why everyone who owns a Honda thinks that they need to do a motor swap. Can't you take what you have existing in your car right now and build it into something decent? You're the "ricer" for calling me out and saying I'm stupid. To you it may be jaw dropping for a car that isn't as expensive blow the doors off of one that is. To me, it's jaw dropping to see the same Cavalier dyno 267 HP and run a 13.47 quarter mile (over in Grand Rapids, MI). Grow up man... I'm just stating my achievements so far like any other car enthuasist will. There is no "ricer" in my opinion that can tell you what they have done to their car, the car's compression ratio, what it has dynoed, and runs in a quarter mile. Plus it gives other people who do drive N/A 4 cylinders to stand up and post in here and know someone else is pushing for the same goal.

LMAO! NOS, typical ricer mentality. "I can just throw some nawwwwwwwwws on my car and it'll be a mad fast whip yo". If you're going to use that argument you can make almost any car run 13's or faster for $1000 (assuming, of course, you can get traction and know how to drive). Good thing you're going for all-the-time power rather than cheap power in a bottle. I commend you for that.

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS

batmang... I'm guessing you didn't realize in the post I said no motor swaps. I don't understand why everyone who owns a Honda thinks that they need to do a motor swap. Can't you take what you have existing in your car right now and build it into something decent? You're the "ricer" for calling me out and saying I'm stupid. To you it may be jaw dropping for a car that isn't as expensive blow the doors off of one that is. To me, it's jaw dropping to see the same Cavalier dyno 267 HP and run a 13.47 quarter mile (over in Grand Rapids, MI). Grow up man... I'm just stating my achievements so far like any other car enthuasist will. There is no "ricer" in my opinion that can tell you what they have done to their car, the car's compression ratio, what it has dynoed, and runs in a quarter mile. Plus it gives other people who do drive N/A 4 cylinders to stand up and post in here and know someone else is pushing for the same goal.

batmang prolly doesn't understand that a silly $3-7k motorswap isn't a good deal. However, I've met more than a few "closet" ricers that claim to know things about how to make cars fast and compression ratio, etcetc. In fact sometimes they know some stuff... but then they spend a whole lot of time buying dumb parts to bolt on and don't know how to tune or admit they need help to actually make a fast car.

I've already been down the path of making a fun-to-drive NA 4banger. My Neon was loads of fun and whupped many an Integra GSR or Civic Si... my bro still drives it though it is now severely down on power thanks to a slipping clutch and other maladies. It was a fun car... quick, but nowhere near as fast as my current car or even fast in general terms. But FrigginA, it was a blast to toss that car around... I tried driving a Cavalier... was nowhere near as fun.

 

[TrueBlueLS]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

LMAO! NOS, typical ricer mentality. "I can just throw some nawwwwwwwwws on my car and it'll be a mad fast whip yo". If you're going to use that argument you can make almost any car run 13's or faster for $1000 (assuming, of course, you can get traction and know how to drive). Good thing you're going for all-the-time power rather than cheap power in a bottle. I commend you for that.

Laugh all you want at the idea of running nitrous on the car. This isn't no TFATF where you need 2 bottles... the big ones. Nitrous will add a good kick in the pants to any car if it is set up right between the fuel compensation and also the timing. What do you think a lot of 11 second streetable muscle cars or dragsters use to be able to give them an extra boost? Traction wouldn't be a problem with nitrous because a smart person would have a window switch setup on their nitrous system to engage at a specific power band, not only wide open throttle. Who knows, maybe I will buy the NX kit for now and when I have the turbo installed on my car to spray it into the intercooler.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Descartes
West siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!

OMG WTF I KNOW THAT GUY FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!!!!

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS

As you've found, it is a dynapack dyno. I think your keyword in your first statement was "tend." We had 2 people that dynoed their cars on a dynojet back in July dyno the same numbers as they did on the dynapack this weekend. I think the reason why everyone believes there's an error to it is because of improper setup.

Right, cause everyone else's dynapack was setup wrong except the one you ran on. 😀

actually, my eyebal estimates were almost exact

AEM uses a dynojet, I just checked.

122 WHP stock
128 WHP w/ intake

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

LMAO! NOS, typical ricer mentality. "I can just throw some nawwwwwwwwws on my car and it'll be a mad fast whip yo". If you're going to use that argument you can make almost any car run 13's or faster for $1000 (assuming, of course, you can get traction and know how to drive). Good thing you're going for all-the-time power rather than cheap power in a bottle. I commend you for that.

Laugh all you want at the idea of running nitrous on the car. This isn't no TFATF where you need 2 bottles... the big ones. Nitrous will add a good kick in the pants to any car if it is set up right between the fuel compensation and also the timing. What do you think a lot of 11 second streetable muscle cars or dragsters use to be able to give them an extra boost? Traction wouldn't be a problem with nitrous because a smart person would have a window switch setup on their nitrous system to engage at a specific power band, not only wide open throttle. Who knows, maybe I will buy the NX kit for now and when I have the turbo installed on my car to spray it into the intercooler.

If you need nitrous to make your car fast then you don't need to be making your car fast!!! I never said nitrous won't make a car fast, I just said that it's essentially "cheating" to use nitrous to make a car fast, especially with few other mods and little tuning. Oh, and way to miss the last part of my post when I said I was commending you for *not* going the nawwwwwwwws route.
If you do use nitrous and you do turbo your car, don't bother spraying in your IC, just use it as normal. You won't make as much power despite the lower IC temps if you spray on the IC.
Anyway, enough talk son. Put your money where your mouth is. I *could* make my DSM run 9's if I threw an FP 3065 turbo on there, built up the engine, had all the supporting mods, and spent countless hours tuning but that doesn't mean unthing unless I actually do it.
Just in case anyone's wondering, the FP 3065 turbo is one bad mutha and can be found here.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS

As you've found, it is a dynapack dyno. I think your keyword in your first statement was "tend." We had 2 people that dynoed their cars on a dynojet back in July dyno the same numbers as they did on the dynapack this weekend. I think the reason why everyone believes there's an error to it is because of improper setup.

Right, cause everyone else's dynapack was setup wrong except the one you ran on. 😀

actually, my eyebal estimates were almost exact

AEM uses a dynojet, I just checked.

122 WHP stock
128 WHP w/ intake

bwahahahahahahaha!!! It's earth-shattering performance! When will the ricers learn?
And that's the Z-24, TrueBlueLS, I assume you drive the "LS" model ecotec-powered Cavalier? Your car doesn't even make as much power as the pathetic Z24 does. Once again, there is absolutely no way a freaking intake gave you more 14 more HP @ the wheels than a higher-model version of your vehicle with a more powerful engine has @ the wheels with an intake also.

 

[Stallion]

I have a 3800lbs car that will run 12.6s and still seat 6 and then haul all our luggage in the trunk. I must be pretty L33T.

Just wait till I throw my Holley sticker on it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

If you need nitrous to make your car fast then you don't need to be making your car fast!!! I never said nitrous won't make a car fast, I just said that it's essentially "cheating" to use nitrous to make a car fast, especially with few other mods and little tuning. Oh, and way to miss the last part of my post when I said I was commending you for *not* going the nawwwwwwwws route.
If you do use nitrous and you do turbo your car, don't bother spraying in your IC, just use it as normal. You won't make as much power despite the lower IC temps if you spray on the IC.
Anyway, enough talk son. Put your money where your mouth is. I *could* make my DSM run 9's if I threw an FP 3065 turbo on there, built up the engine, had all the supporting mods, and spent countless hours tuning but that doesn't mean unthing unless I actually do it.
Just in case anyone's wondering, the FP 3065 turbo is one bad mutha and can be found here.

Hmmm you continue to spout out totally idiotic stuff. I don't care for NOS, however it's only cheating if someone is lying that they have it or if it's jealousy. There is nothing wrong with a NOS only car without any other mods. If you can't beat it, so be it.

Spray nitrous on the IC does work...however not for most street cars, and even those it does work for it's not a major power adder.

Just about anyone can make any car run 9's if they throw enough money at the car....the hard part is keeping it streetable and also running 9's (doubtful)....10's and 11's are very hard to do for a streetable car (which is more than saying you can drive it back and forth to work)

Also that silly FP 3065 turbo...every riceboy DSM guy talks about the damn thing 'y0 dawg when I git my FP 3065 I be in the 9's burnin' mad fast, y0'

Also as much as you saying NOS is cheating, people claim the whole DSM line is a cheating car....again it's out of jealousy they got beat by a relative econobox.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

bwahahahahahahaha!!! It's earth-shattering performance! When will the ricers learn?
And that's the Z-24, TrueBlueLS, I assume you drive the "LS" model ecotec-powered Cavalier? Your car doesn't even make as much power as the pathetic Z24 does. Once again, there is absolutely no way a freaking intake gave you more 14 more HP @ the wheels than a higher-model version of your vehicle with a more powerful engine has @ the wheels with an intake also.

For being such a preacher you have a lot of hate.

#1 you are assuming they are rating both engines accurately....some of the times the engines are underrated.

#2 the ecotec is fast becoming a 'tuner' motor....it responds well to modifications

#3 he already said twice, and I will repeat (the case of a higher version of the vehicle is moot since there is no Z24 anymore)....we said the air intake alone was not the only reason...he believes he had a stronger motor from the factory. +10HP for that (less than a 10% difference) is not so far fetched and getting +4hp from an intake is possible definitely on some cars.

 

[Ray5150Ray]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Wait, a 760 turbo can beat a 944 n/a? Cooool.

<-- friend recently bought another 760 after his first one was totalled.

It can, but it depends on the track and on the version of the N/A 944. The 8-valve 944 only clocked a high-7's 0-60 time. The 944S with 16-valve heads was faster. And I have a feeling that the 760 Turbo would be depending upon straight line speed to beat the 8v N/A 944, so if it were an autocross course then the 944 would walk away.

Of course, a "sleeper" is generally faster in stoplight drag races than on a road course, so the 760 Turbo is definitely a sleeper. And it's RWD to boot. 🙂

ZV

Indeed the 760 Turbo is a sweet ride. The wagon and the sedan have the very same engine and turbo. The biggest difference in the two, aside from the body, 90% of the sedans Independant Rear self leveling suspension systems(a royal pain). I have the sedan and have retrofitted the stock turbo with the turbo off of an Eagle Talon(took some work). I've also rigged an adjustable boost guage that I can control from the drivers seat with the turn of a knob. I've changed out the rear Nivomat shocks with regular Gasmatics, and rear springs with IPD overload coils. The front springs were replaced and the car sits about 2" lower now and hanldes like it's on rails.

I've blown quite a few of these snot nosed "rice racers" off the road with my hooptie. To think these kids parents have spent all that money to make their car look like it goes fast to get blown away by a 14 year old car! I was beating a Neon SXT last night until he sprayed me! Those are sweet little rides. In fact, the SXT stock will beat most of these "upgraded" hondas, as long as they don't use NO2.

 

[alkemyst]

Are you talking the SRT4?

That should have handed you you a$$

The thing is majorly underrated from the factory also there is a lot of power available with it before NOS is needed.

If the guy really did have NOS on it, he was probably an idiot to begin with and couldn't drive it right.

 

[stev0]

dude... it's a cavalier

i can beat them in my pickup.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: Ray5150Ray

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Wait, a 760 turbo can beat a 944 n/a? Cooool.

<-- friend recently bought another 760 after his first one was totalled.

It can, but it depends on the track and on the version of the N/A 944. The 8-valve 944 only clocked a high-7's 0-60 time. The 944S with 16-valve heads was faster. And I have a feeling that the 760 Turbo would be depending upon straight line speed to beat the 8v N/A 944, so if it were an autocross course then the 944 would walk away.

Of course, a "sleeper" is generally faster in stoplight drag races than on a road course, so the 760 Turbo is definitely a sleeper. And it's RWD to boot. 🙂

ZV

Indeed the 760 Turbo is a sweet ride. The wagon and the sedan have the very same engine and turbo. The biggest difference in the two, aside from the body, 90% of the sedans Independant Rear self leveling suspension systems(a royal pain). I have the sedan and have retrofitted the stock turbo with the turbo off of an Eagle Talon(took some work). I've also rigged an adjustable boost guage that I can control from the drivers seat with the turn of a knob. I've changed out the rear Nivomat shocks with regular Gasmatics, and rear springs with IPD overload coils. The front springs were replaced and the car sits about 2" lower now and hanldes like it's on rails.

I've blown quite a few of these snot nosed "rice racers" off the road with my hooptie. To think these kids parents have spent all that money to make their car look like it goes fast to get blown away by a 14 year old car! I was beating a Neon SXT last night until he sprayed me! Those are sweet little rides. In fact, the SXT stock will beat most of these "upgraded" hondas, as long as they don't use NO2.

My friend's former ride Pic
That one got died when he was t-boned. Now driving a '91 760 Wagon.

And the thing with motor swaps on hondas is that if you start with a "tuner" engine rather then the ones made for fuel efficiency its easier to coax more power out of them. Kinda like, if you take the time to do cams, intake, exhausts, fuel system upgrades and such on most stock motors you might end up near where a swap would get you but after that there wouldn't be much more headroom unless you go turbo. Doing a swap gives you a much stronger point to build from and additionally the motors swapped in have a lot more power to begin with. I'm very happy I did a swap instead of building the motor I had. Besides, why rebuild and build a motor with 150k when I can start with one that has much more power to begin with and less then 40k on it?

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

If you need nitrous to make your car fast then you don't need to be making your car fast!!! I never said nitrous won't make a car fast, I just said that it's essentially "cheating" to use nitrous to make a car fast, especially with few other mods and little tuning. Oh, and way to miss the last part of my post when I said I was commending you for *not* going the nawwwwwwwws route.
If you do use nitrous and you do turbo your car, don't bother spraying in your IC, just use it as normal. You won't make as much power despite the lower IC temps if you spray on the IC.
Anyway, enough talk son. Put your money where your mouth is. I *could* make my DSM run 9's if I threw an FP 3065 turbo on there, built up the engine, had all the supporting mods, and spent countless hours tuning but that doesn't mean unthing unless I actually do it.
Just in case anyone's wondering, the FP 3065 turbo is one bad mutha and can be found here.

Hmmm you continue to spout out totally idiotic stuff. I don't care for NOS, however it's only cheating if someone is lying that they have it or if it's jealousy. There is nothing wrong with a NOS only car without any other mods. If you can't beat it, so be it.

Spray nitrous on the IC does work...however not for most street cars, and even those it does work for it's not a major power adder.

Just about anyone can make any car run 9's if they throw enough money at the car....the hard part is keeping it streetable and also running 9's (doubtful)....10's and 11's are very hard to do for a streetable car (which is more than saying you can drive it back and forth to work)

Also that silly FP 3065 turbo...every riceboy DSM guy talks about the damn thing 'y0 dawg when I git my FP 3065 I be in the 9's burnin' mad fast, y0'

Also as much as you saying NOS is cheating, people claim the whole DSM line is a cheating car....again it's out of jealousy they got beat by a relative econobox.

The only idiocy being spouted is the drivel which constantly flows from your fingertips.
I never said NOS was cheating, I said it's "cheating". Notice the quotation marks? That means it's *like* cheating. Of course there's nothing *wrong* with using NOS, it's just the cheap way out though. No effort involved. Hit a button and your car is a completely different machine for a few seconds. What's the point of that? If you can't take the time to actually mod and tune your car you don't need to be racing or attempting to make your car fast.
Regarding spraying nitrous on the IC: I never said it didn't work. It's just not as effective as spraying into the intake manifold. You do see lower charge temps by spraying onto the IC, and are less likely to get heat-soaked, but you'll gain more power by spraying into the engine.
Regarding my FP 3065 EXAMPLE, you must not have realized that was an *example*. Go back and read my post again. I was pointing out *exactly* what you just said about ricers!!! Learn how to read before you start flinging crap just because you hate me. I never said "I'm going to get an FP3065 and run 9's" I said "I *could* make my DSM run 9's if I threw an FP 3065 turbo on there, built up the engine, had all the supporting mods, and spent countless hours tuning but that doesn't mean unthing unless I actually do it." Do you notice the key word "could"? Do you also notice the end of that sentence "that doesn't mean anything unless I actually do it."? Seriously man, your hatred of me is preventing you from reading what I'm actually saying.
"people claim the whole DSM line is a cheating car" AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA! Stupid ricers, what will they think of next? So because a car has a factory turbo and has an AWD drivetrain it's "cheating"? I don't see any NOS or slicks on there from the factory. I guess all those V8-powered American cars are cheating too because they have 2-4 extra cylinders

 

[Vortex22]

The ultimate sleeper

100% stock exterior except for the wheels.
It even has stock exhaust 😎