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Dumping AMD64-going back to pentium goodness

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Hmm... I prefer AMD, but if I had any Intel advice I would say it. Heres the little I know about current Intel.
These are only useful if you can use Skt 775. If you have to go with Skt 478, then all the advice I have is to go with a northwood if it is around the same price as an equivalent Prescott.

1. Dual-core will generally be better for stressful multi-tasking (games + encoding), but is not always necessary, although it will not hold an overly large premium.

2. If going single core, go with a 600 series. They OC better, run cooler, and have 64-bit support.

3. A higher clocked single core will perform better in current games than a lower clocked dual-core. (although future games are supposed to become multi-threaded.


And my personal advice, please run some sort of Distributed Computing project on your system(s) if you do not already. They can be used to test stability, and also it benefits the Anandtech community, and even the entire medical community (in the case of Find-a-Drug and Folding at Home). If you do not like the prospect of running your system at load for extended periods of time, at least try NetDimes. It uses almost no CPU time, and a small amount of RAM and bandwidth to do its work. It can even be run alongside other CPU-using Distributed Computing projects.
 
I would say try the PC power and Cooling 510, and some good crucial 3200, everything at stock, and see what happens. No wasted money there, but don't give up yet. I wouldn't even blame NF3 drivers at this point. As said, PSU and memory are very strange animals. I just RMA'ed a 512 mushkin that would pass memtest for 8 hours, but won't boot windows in 3 different boxes !!!!!! It locked up, BSOD, or re-booted on 3 different chipsets !

Edit: In my memory problem, I even relaxed the timings as much as the bios allowed, AND ran PC3200 at PC2700, and it still wouldn't evene boot !! Bottom line is memory and PSU are the two that as suggested as culprits in your case. Get the best, and try them first !!!!
 
also try releaxing the memory timming some. Id used to have a amd 64 3200 clawhammer skt 754 on a chaintech vf3-250. I was using corsair 2x512 3200ddr (cmx512-3200LL). When i ran that board at the default spd memory speed. it would freeze alot. But after relaxing the memory timming some. I got it tobe rock stable. I've even updated the bios, it still had memory issue. now im running a 3700+ sd core on a msi neo2 platinum thinking about going to dual core though.
 
Maybe it's just the board. I had a DFI NF3 and, overclocking aside, that thing was a flaky POS. I might have just had a somewhat faulty one, but my DFI NF4 is a dream compared to my NF3 board.

BTW, Slag...this is the socket 754 board, yes? Sometimes this board has hissy fits when you try to run two sticks of double sided DIMMs. Take out one of your memory sticks and see if that solves the problem. Also, no matter what I did, I could not place a stick of memory in slot #3, or the system would refuse to boot into Windows.
 
I say go Intel and try your luck there....if you really think you will have better luck...All those great OCs on P4 systems?? Where??? The prescott is a POS...i would only look at northwoods on 478 mobos or Dothan chips on the desktop as mentioned above....

Intel anyway you look at it is not the best bang for the buck...Your comment above

<<Not had much luck with the AMD64 scene with crummy nforce 3 drivers, buggy hardware (dfi lanparty 3 and others), and just a flaky system in general so im wanting to go back to Intel and get the most bang for my buck.>>

or

<<I want high overclockability with decent performance.>>

Hmm I dont know how I couldn't interpret the first quote as an insult to AMD systems...Why not just look at another socket..there is sckt 939, and their are other chipset manufacturers...and contrary to your comment sckt 939 comes in many agp mobos from different manufacturers.....

Your last comment is another probably "poor choice" of words...AMDs are higher overclockability and with their better IPC a 800mhz oc on an AMD64 is far more then an 800mhz OC on a P4....I am not seeing too many 800mhz OCs on intel P4's without more exotic cooling....Then the "decent performance comment"...LOL!!!

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1531414&enterthread=y&arctab=y

That is highly overclockable with awesome performance...damn near linear in most all test....

Quit your whining and go back to INtel....Were you looking for a group hug like an AA meeting or something!!
 
What brand/model of modules are you using, and what memory voltage are you giving them, slag?
 
Having your "Pentium goodness" won't affect me in the slightest. Have fun. I'll have more fun with my system though. 😉

If you were looking for technical support, you would have selected a better topic, not one that would encourage flames. So the way I see it, you're not looking for help, you're looking to troll.
 
Get yourself another PSU, a good one. What you described as your problems is exactly what I had with a 400W PSU. That system needs more stable juice. I suggest the Rosewill 500W - cheap and effective. Will definately resolve any PSU problems.
 
Originally posted by: ironique
Get yourself another PSU, a good one. What you described as your problems is exactly what I had with a 400W PSU. That system needs more stable juice. I suggest the Rosewill 500W - cheap and effective. Will definately resolve any PSU problems.
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Your telling him a generic PSU will solve his PSU issues:laugh:

Get a seasonic, enermax, OCZ, antec or FSP, I may have missed a couple but any of those will be many times better then that generic POS
 
Looks like it could be a memory problem. Run your memory at 2T and with the DDR333 divider. That's what I had to do with mine.
 
Originally posted by: ketchup79
Looks like it could be a memory problem. Run your memory at 2T and with the DDR333 divider. That's what I had to do with mine.
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Actually, he 's checked the memory, run different mobos, different processors...
It's obviously NOT an AMD or AMD platform problem. (which I'm sure he NOW realizes).
The only thing common to all of this is the PSU (and a weak or unstable PSU would do everything he has mentioned...)
 
He checked the memory, but never ran different memory, from what I read.

Thats what you need to do next, borrow some memory from someone that you know works, and see if the problem remains.
 


DFI is the best NF3 250 mobo..some famous OCers claims it's the best board ever (OPP)... Both those PSU's are excellent...AMD puts thier chips though exhastive torture tests before shipping.

gotta be memory...What memory sticks are you using? And what volts and what timings.

 
Yeah Man. Go P4 you will love it. And when you switch let me buy your AMD stuff for pennies on the dollar 😉
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
I say go Intel and try your luck there....if you really think you will have better luck...All those great OCs on P4 systems?? Where??? The prescott is a POS...i would only look at northwoods on 478 mobos or Dothan chips on the desktop as mentioned above....

Intel anyway you look at it is not the best bang for the buck...Your comment above

<<Not had much luck with the AMD64 scene with crummy nforce 3 drivers, buggy hardware (dfi lanparty 3 and others), and just a flaky system in general so im wanting to go back to Intel and get the most bang for my buck.>>

or

<<I want high overclockability with decent performance.>>

Hmm I dont know how I couldn't interpret the first quote as an insult to AMD systems...Why not just look at another socket..there is sckt 939, and their are other chipset manufacturers...and contrary to your comment sckt 939 comes in many agp mobos from different manufacturers.....

Your last comment is another probably "poor choice" of words...AMDs are higher overclockability and with their better IPC a 800mhz oc on an AMD64 is far more then an 800mhz OC on a P4....I am not seeing too many 800mhz OCs on intel P4's without more exotic cooling....Then the "decent performance comment"...LOL!!!

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1531414&enterthread=y&arctab=y

That is highly overclockable with awesome performance...damn near linear in most all test....

Quit your whining and go back to INtel....Were you looking for a group hug like an AA meeting or something!!
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Wow, duvie, just wow. I think you read into things a bit too much. I asked for a good overclocking intel combo and others started trying to determine whats wrong with my setup.

You obviously didnt read my post. Go back, read it, re read it, and then if you have a good intel overclocking suggestion that you are serious about and just aren't trying to be an ass, then please share it. Quit with the God complex and try to be useful instead of just another troll.

Thanks
 
Originally posted by: ketchup79
Looks like it could be a memory problem. Run your memory at 2T and with the DDR333 divider. That's what I had to do with mine.
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Tried that.. in fact, i'm trying it now. .still unstable.
 
Originally posted by: Continuity28
Having your "Pentium goodness" won't affect me in the slightest. Have fun. I'll have more fun with my system though. 😉

If you were looking for technical support, you would have selected a better topic, not one that would encourage flames. So the way I see it, you're not looking for help, you're looking to troll.
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If you think my topic was encouraging flames, I think you're just trying to find someone/something to flame. I've had more luck with p4 systems than AMD 64 systems. It just makes sense that i would want to go back to p4 as stated in my topic.

Pathetic.
 
Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: ketchup79
Looks like it could be a memory problem. Run your memory at 2T and with the DDR333 divider. That's what I had to do with mine.
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Actually, he 's checked the memory, run different mobos, different processors...
It's obviously NOT an AMD or AMD platform problem. (which I'm sure he NOW realizes).
The only thing common to all of this is the PSU (and a weak or unstable PSU would do everything he has mentioned...)
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No. I've tried 2 different power supplies as stated in the original post.

A super flower 520? and an Enermax 465pe. Same results. I seriously think the board is flaky and the processor has issues also.
 
For the longest time I was an AMD user, even in the Via+K6 days. I've had Celeron 300A overclocked machines, PIII 500 slot1's, AMD Athlon slotA's, whatever. I've tried it all.

I just recently went from my old (1998 build) P4 1.8A, 1gig of Rambus, Abit TH7-II motherboard setup.

Now I'm running a 3000+ Venice, Chaintech VNF4/Ultra, 2gigs of mushkin.

You know what, the new setup works fine for games and such, but my old P4 system was still smoother in windows applications. And this is without Hyperthreading. Multitasking is quite different between the machines.

Both systems were/are overclocked. I took them as high as they'll go and be 100% stable. And I mean really 100% stable, you people who think you can run some torture test benchmarks and call yourself stable are fooling yourselves. I dunno how many times I've seen fanboys of either company babble on about "i ran prime95 for 24 hours, I can run 3dmark all day" but then get them into an actual game and they crash like you wouldnt believe. And the first thing they'll say is "it's stable it was just a freak crash".

Sorry I dont stand for freak crashes, not since the Windows 98 days (well okay Windows ME, but I like to forget about that).

I like my new system, it plays games fine and it's stable now that I screwed with it enough. But really, I'm getting too old to be messing around with a new system build for hours just to get a stable system. (overclocked or not).

I'm honestly thinking of going back to an Intel system to see how the newer products are.
Probably wait till the end of the year though in case something new and wonderful is in the works from either side.
 
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