Wah? Guy claims that not paying a prostitute a verbally agreed upon amount is the equivalent to rape and you want me to review my posts. Interesting.
Wah? Guy claims that not paying a prostitute a verbally agreed upon amount is the equivalent to rape and you want me to review my posts. Interesting.
What I want to know is WTF are people doing discussing if not paying a prostitute = rape? I seem to remember that this was a case of Lacrosse team hires 2 *STRIPPERS* (not prostitutes), who shows up, dance isn't considered "satasfactory," one stripper goes outside/disappears for a bit, other stripper claims she was raped in the bathroom while her partner wasn't there, with at least one of the accused rapists being recorded on an ATM camera miles away at the time of the alleged rape. Could you perhaps point out to me where in any of the news on this case it says that she was a prostitute, and that she only went to the cops saying rape after they didn't pay her specifically for sex?
Fern
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A judge? I caught somebody on the TV, IIRC Mark Garragos (sp?), saying that due to the unusual nature of the rules in NC a judge is not yet in a position to do anything. I would guess at the start of the trial, the defendants attornies could move for dismissal. That would end it.
Of, course, at least one Congressman from NC has asked the US Attorney Generals Office to investigate Nifong. And teh NC Bar Association has Nifong up on charges of prosecutorial misconduct.
I heard last night that Nifong ran for office to ensure that he could serve at least thre more years - so he could be eligeable for retirements benefits. Looks doubtful taht he'll make it.
Fern
This case is deader than disco.
Duke lacrosse prosecutor asks off case By AARON BEARD, Associated Press Writer, 2 minutes ago, Fri, Jan 12, 2006.
RALEIGH, N.C. - Facing ethics charges that could lead to his disbarment, the embattled district attorney in the Duke lacrosse sexual assault case has asked the state attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to take over the case.
Noelle Talley, a spokeswoman for the attorney general, said Friday in an e-mail that District Attorney Mike Nifong sent a letter requesting the special prosecutor.
Nifong's attorney insisted the veteran prosecutor was not running from a weak case and said Nifong was disappointed he would not take it to trial.
"He feels, as a result of the accusations against him, that he would be a distraction and he wants to make sure the accuser receives a fair trial," attorney David Freedman told The Associated Press. "He still believes in the case. He just believes his continued presence would hurt her."
Nifong met with the accuser this week to tell her of his decision, Freedman said.
Attorney General Roy Cooper's office declined to comment on whether it would take the case. Officials planned to speak with reporters Saturday.
Last month, the North Carolina State Bar charged Nifong with violating four rules of professional conduct for making misleading and inflammatory comments about the athletes under suspicion. The ethics charges carry penalties ranging from admonishment to removal from the bar.
It was not immediately clear what impact Nifong's decision would have on the troubled prosecution of Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty and David Evans.
If the attorney general accepts the case, "then they would transfer the files over, and they would probably have a lot of interviews to do," said Peg Dorer, director of the North Carolina Conference of District Attorneys. "It would probably stop things for a while, I imagine."
Under North Carolina law, only a district attorney can formally request a special prosecutor. The request can be made when there are potential conflicts of interest, when a case is particularly complex or when there are other unusual circumstances.
Once the ethics charges were filed, Nifong "had a conflict of interest with respect with the case," said Ron Sullivan, a criminal law professor at Yale University. "It's probably safe to say that Nifong felt that he couldn't be completely objective."
Legal experts and observers have railed against Nifong in recent weeks, calling his case pitfully weak and casting doubt on his chance of winning.
"I think we're all delighted that we're going to have objective and competent prosecutors reviewing this case," said James P. Cooney III, an attorney for Seligmann. "We look forward to cooperating with those prosecutors fully and completely in bringing this prosecution to an end."
Wade Smith, an attorney for Finnerty, was also pleased and pledged to meet with any new prosecutors. "We will assist them in every way we can," he said.
From the case's earliest days, Nifong has led the investigation into allegations that a 28-year-old student at North Carolina Central University ? hired as to perform as a stripper ? was gang-raped and beaten at a March 13 party thrown by Duke's highly ranked lacrosse team.
Experts have said it appears Nifong's case is based only on the testimony of an accuser who has told wildly different versions of the alleged assault. Her shifting account of that night led him to drop rape charges on Dec. 22.
The three players remain charged with sexual offense and kidnapping.
Duke lacrosse prosecutor asks off case By AARON BEARD, Associated Press Writer, 2 minutes ago, Fri, Jan 12, 2006.
RALEIGH, N.C. - Facing ethics charges that could lead to his disbarment, the embattled district attorney in the Duke lacrosse sexual assault case has asked the state attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to take over the case.
Noelle Talley, a spokeswoman for the attorney general, said Friday in an e-mail that District Attorney Mike Nifong sent a letter requesting the special prosecutor.
Nifong's attorney insisted the veteran prosecutor was not running from a weak case and said Nifong was disappointed he would not take it to trial.
"He feels, as a result of the accusations against him, that he would be a distraction and he wants to make sure the accuser receives a fair trial," attorney David Freedman told The Associated Press. "He still believes in the case. He just believes his continued presence would hurt her."
Nifong met with the accuser this week to tell her of his decision, Freedman said.
Attorney General Roy Cooper's office declined to comment on whether it would take the case. Officials planned to speak with reporters Saturday.
Last month, the North Carolina State Bar charged Nifong with violating four rules of professional conduct for making misleading and inflammatory comments about the athletes under suspicion. The ethics charges carry penalties ranging from admonishment to removal from the bar.
It was not immediately clear what impact Nifong's decision would have on the troubled prosecution of Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty and David Evans.
If the attorney general accepts the case, "then they would transfer the files over, and they would probably have a lot of interviews to do," said Peg Dorer, director of the North Carolina Conference of District Attorneys. "It would probably stop things for a while, I imagine."
Under North Carolina law, only a district attorney can formally request a special prosecutor. The request can be made when there are potential conflicts of interest, when a case is particularly complex or when there are other unusual circumstances.
Once the ethics charges were filed, Nifong "had a conflict of interest with respect with the case," said Ron Sullivan, a criminal law professor at Yale University. "It's probably safe to say that Nifong felt that he couldn't be completely objective."
Legal experts and observers have railed against Nifong in recent weeks, calling his case pitfully weak and casting doubt on his chance of winning.
"I think we're all delighted that we're going to have objective and competent prosecutors reviewing this case," said James P. Cooney III, an attorney for Seligmann. "We look forward to cooperating with those prosecutors fully and completely in bringing this prosecution to an end."
Wade Smith, an attorney for Finnerty, was also pleased and pledged to meet with any new prosecutors. "We will assist them in every way we can," he said.
From the case's earliest days, Nifong has led the investigation into allegations that a 28-year-old student at North Carolina Central University ? hired as to perform as a stripper ? was gang-raped and beaten at a March 13 party thrown by Duke's highly ranked lacrosse team.
Experts have said it appears Nifong's case is based only on the testimony of an accuser who has told wildly different versions of the alleged assault. Her shifting account of that night led him to drop rape charges on Dec. 22.
The three players remain charged with sexual offense and kidnapping.
Nifong and this scum woman just made it harder for the real sexual predators to get convicted.
Congratulations. This is embarrassing.
Congratulations. This is embarrassing.
SarcasticDwarf
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It is not necessarily dead. Now that the case is handed over to the government, they can either dismiss it very quickly OR review all the evidence first (basically, they start from scratch). That could drag it out a year.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Women who cry rape when nothing happened are disgusting. They make people doubt legitimate claims of rape.
ABC News is reporting that the District Attorney of NC has decided to drop all charges against the lacross players. Nifong needs to apologize to these boys whose lives have been ruined. (and lose his license and possibily go to jail himself)
Duke University also needs to apologize and reinstate these guys and pay their tuition.
This case is a total outrage that it went this far.
Duke University also needs to apologize and reinstate these guys and pay their tuition.
This case is a total outrage that it went this far.
Whoozyerdaddy
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What a sad, sick thing this was.
Nifong needs to be charged with prosecutorial misconduct. The lawsuits are gonna fly.
Nifong needs to be charged with prosecutorial misconduct. The lawsuits are gonna fly.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I hope these guys look at suing the dancer who made the false charges.
They may not be able to get much, but they can prevent her from profiting off her lies and get anything she may have already been given.
BTW I wonder what Imus would call her hmmmm
Imus' quote would apply to the stripper in this case...not towards the Rutgers basketball women.
I think the origianl DA needs to be in jail. He also should be subject to a suit. So should the school and its falculty, especially the ones that took the opportunity to smear indirectly the students accused.
OutHouse
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i hope lawsuits fly, those kids parents spent millions on their defense. they deserve to get that money back by suing the DA office and Duke.
but think of this. if you and I were charged with this our asses would be in jail because we would not have the funds to mount a defense like the kids parents did.
the DA needs to go to jail period.
And how exactly is Duke University responsible for the players stupidity, the accusers false allegation, Nifong's incompetence, or the defense counsels' pride?
You can only sue the DA for willful wrongdoing. Nifong is teetering on that edge but certainly that case is not proven.
In any case, this certainly does not rise to the level of someone being falsely accused, tried, and incarcerated. At best, they deserve apologies from the accuser, DA, and maybe the group of faculty members that assumed they were guilty.
The administrations response was appropriate. I doubt there are many universities in America where a student wouldn't be suspended if they were CHARGED with multiple violent felonies.
I feel sorry for the ex-Duke student-athletes b/c their punishment didn't fit their behaviors but IMHO the order of responsibility goes:
1) the accuser
2) DA Nifong
3) look in the mirror
4) bad defense strategy at the beginning - likely an attempt to avoid admitting to other criminal code violations
It sux being falsely accused. Sadly, these guys really don't have much of a recourse. Duke is not liable for their legal expenses and if the student code of conduct states one may be suspended for felony 'charges' then they shouldn't expect much beyond a tuition waiver. I doubt the younger guys would want to go back, though.
I doubt the lying accuser has many assets so there's nothing to gain from a civil trial other than getting her on the stand to 'hopefully' tell the truth or at least one of her versions. The state AG has already stated that criminal charges against the lying accuser aren't gonna happen.
Could probably attempt a civil claim against Nifong but that's no slam dunk. He will likely be censured by the NC Bar. The state AG probably would have mentioned criminal charges if that was possible.
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