"I'm saying that if a verbal contract for sex has been established with a prostitute, that failure to pay according to said contract after the fact, as the Duke players did, is rape."
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:laugh: Wow. Just wow.[/quote]
Wow what? You realize this all came about because they didn't pay, right?[/quote]
If it's anything (in the legal sense) it would be some sort of breach of contract and therefore some sort of civil action. I'd love to be in the courtroom though, when this case was brought as a civil suit.
Plantiff: I waxed his jimmy and he didn't give me no bread!
Defendant: You call that professional quality jimmy waxing? I ain't payin' you nothin'!
Judge: May I see the jimmy in question, and the techniques use?
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:laugh: Wow. Just wow.[/quote]
Wow what? You realize this all came about because they didn't pay, right?[/quote]
If it's anything (in the legal sense) it would be some sort of breach of contract and therefore some sort of civil action. I'd love to be in the courtroom though, when this case was brought as a civil suit.
Plantiff: I waxed his jimmy and he didn't give me no bread!
Defendant: You call that professional quality jimmy waxing? I ain't payin' you nothin'!
Judge: May I see the jimmy in question, and the techniques use?
So, are you saying that when someone who is rich (man or woman) promises the world to someone, the "victim" can claim rape if they have intercourse and doesn't receive the world?
If a man and woman get divorced, for the sake of the example, let's say the man divorces the woman, does the woman get to claim rape because she slept with the man because of their marriage vows?
If a man and woman get divorced, for the sake of the example, let's say the man divorces the woman, does the woman get to claim rape because she slept with the man because of their marriage vows?
JD50
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Haha, thats exactly what I was thinking.
If the prostitute consented to sex then it is not rape, it doesn't matter what she expected in return. Exchanging sex for money is illegal, so just because they did not pay her it does not make it rape, thats silly. Thats like a drug dealer calling the cops becasue a junkie didn't pay for his crack.
"Moralist" laws make murder illegal. Should we legalize murder so that it isn't a black market item? Can a hitman come collect his money in court after getting shafted by his contractor? Granted, murder and prostitution are two different extremes but if you're going to claim that moralist laws create black markets, then you have to apply it to all moralist laws.
Vic
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:roll: They're not "2 different extremes," they're entirely different. Murder doesn't require "morality" to be wrong -- there's a dead victim, and nothing could be more objective than that. OTOH prostitution has no victims.
Kindly don't be an idiot.
Thus murder is not morally wrong? Murder obviously requires morality to be wrong because murder is defined by one's moral basis. When you kill an animal is it considered a murder? There's a dead victim is there not? But yet no one has a problem with that. It's peoples' moral values that place human death greater than others. But yes, continue spouting your nonsense and name calling, it truly strengthens your argument.
Vic
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Given that the logic in your argument is outrageous flawed (namely apples and oranges, i.e. that murder and prostitution are morally analogous, or that human life is morally comparable to animal life), I'm not really interested in strengthening my argument.
Tell ya what, why don't you explain to me, without the false analogy to murder (whose only backing for you is that both murder and prostitution happen to be illegal), one valid moral reason why prostitution should be illegal. I used "moralists" in quotation marks earlier for a reason. You obviously didn't get it.
Pretty much there's no point in arguing with you. I'd have more luck arguing with a child. Nearly every post someone has to come out and point out your pathetic views. Oh well, can't reason with the illogical. If you can't see the "moral" victim in prostitution then so be it. Apparently, to you, the only time there's a wrong is if there's an immediate victim. Enjoy your ignorance to the fullest.
Vic
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So... in other words, you're not willing to explain your argument of how murder and prostitution are morally analogous besides the fact that they both happen to illegal at this time. Got it. Thanks.
The only moral victim in prostitution is the prostitute themselves, and that only because prostitution is illegal and the prostitute is subsequently denied of all their rights. And who then is the moral criminal (i.e. those who do the harm to the victim)? The people who make it illegal. Let's suppose we make your occupation illegal (which is probably grade school student based on your posts, but we'll be hypothetical) -- would not your plight be the same as the prostitute's? You would still need food and shelter...
There is a possibility of the formation of a new party because of existing affilation rules.
It's being discussed now.
Originally posted by: Vic
So... in other words, you're not willing to explain your argument of how murder and prostitution are morally analogous besides the fact that they both happen to illegal at this time. Got it. Thanks.
The only moral victim in prostitution is the prostitute themselves, and that only because prostitution is illegal and the prostitute is subsequently denied of all their rights. And who then is the moral criminal (i.e. those who do the harm to the victim)? The people who make it illegal. Let's suppose we make your occupation illegal (which is probably grade school student based on your posts, but we'll be hypothetical) -- would not your plight be the same as the prostitute's? You would still need food and shelter...
Ouch, you've got me there. I must be a grade school student. Did you figure that out with your awesome deduction abilities like how you deduced that not fully paying for sex is the equivalent of rape? Yay for you. Like I said, no point in wasting energy arguing with someone like you.
Vic
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Would a prostitute consent for sex (with a "john") without payment? Of course not. So not paying a prostitute for sex as agreed upon must therefore be non-consensual. And what's the legal term for non-consensual sex? Ah, that's right... rape. Amazing... just like how if you were to steal from a store it's robbery.
So would you like to explain what exactly you think is wrong with my deductive abilities... ?
So would you like to explain what exactly you think is wrong with my deductive abilities... ?
zinfamous
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That'll be tough..considering he just one re-election this past November. It's an unusual case, because his leading opponent vowed no tto take the seat if elected; rather than just remove himself from candidacy. What a douche. The only one with a chance was the woman whom had to be a write-on.
Sad thing is, the only fan of Nifong in Durham county right now is Nifong; and perhaps some of the fringe extremists that still think the lacrosse players raped this woman (who, btw, is preggers...again). One of the 3 players still on trial has pretty solid evidence that he wasn't even at the house at the time of the alleged rape.
Personally, I'm all for prosecuting douche-bag New Jersey-ites that move down south and go to Duke--but only when they deserve it. This case is BS.
Vic
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How is that even comparable?
Implicit in every finance arrangement is an element of assumed risk for the lender, which is why in the case of car loans there is the security of the collateral of the car.
What we're talking about here is the non-payment of goods/services under threat of force which, by definition, is the crime of robbery. If you walk into a bank and demand money or else, that's robbery. If you get a loan from that same bank and then don't pay them back, that's not robbery. Can you not see the difference?
WTF... :|
Where's the threat of force involved with prostitution? Did the Duke team tell her that if she didn't have intercourse with them for money that they would harm her? Seems more like a transaction that was not fully paid. Maybe prostitutes need to start asking for upfront payments?
Vic
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Are you always this clueless?
Here's a suggestion for you: order a pizza for delivery and tell them you'll pay cash at the door. When the pizza guy shows up at your door, take the pizza without paying him, and tell him to get lost. And you know what you'll be charged with when the police show up? Robbery. Enjoy your 90 days in the county pokey.
Maybe Dominos should ask for payment upfront? :roll:
Maybe don't hand over the pizza until you've received payment? Good luck proving robbery in this situation. You pretty much can't handle comparisons that don't support your cause, so whatever, makes no difference to me if you can or can't accept them. But please do continue throwing out more nonsense. Balls of steel over the internet.
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?noun, plural -ber·ies.
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?noun, plural -ber·ies.
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