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Lifer
- Jun 5, 2000
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anybody read Griffins new book Innocent Man?
Very good book about two men in OK who were railroaded to death row for a rape and murder in 1982. after 12 years on deathrow DNA test proved they did not do it. To this day the DA still believes they did it. I couldnt read all of it it totally pissed me off.
Very good book about two men in OK who were railroaded to death row for a rape and murder in 1982. after 12 years on deathrow DNA test proved they did not do it. To this day the DA still believes they did it. I couldnt read all of it it totally pissed me off.
Neither Democrats or Republicans are my heroes unlike the resident P&Nr's that feel their Republican's are gods.
You are seeing things.
Dave is not a republican and certainly not a democrat.
He's his own fringe party.
Here's a blog maintained by a history professor that's great for keeping up with this case: http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/
theeedude
Lifer
- Feb 5, 2006
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Prosecutors have been getting away with this kind of misconduct for a very long time.
They are just lucky they have money to defend themselves, and good PR. If it was some regular joe, or God forbid black defendants with a white accuser, they'd have been railroaded into pleading guilty to something, and noone would care. These prosecutors don't care about what the truth is, it's just another number to them.
They are just lucky they have money to defend themselves, and good PR. If it was some regular joe, or God forbid black defendants with a white accuser, they'd have been railroaded into pleading guilty to something, and noone would care. These prosecutors don't care about what the truth is, it's just another number to them.
WhipperSnapper
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- Oct 30, 2004
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They can sue the woman, but she's judgement proof (no money). They should definitely go after the DA, in which case they'd probably be suing the state. Of course, they do need compensation and they do have their own interests to worry about and the government needs to suffer a punishment for its crimes. I hope they receive an award of tens of millions of dollars each in addition to the state government having to pay for nationally published full page newspaper ads admitting wrongdoing and vindicating the victims. Of course, we can only hope that the DA is disbarred, reduced to poverty, and essentially driven out of the state along with, perhaps, some other government officials.
Mr. DA is in poo-poo.
N.C. bar files charges against Duke D.A. By AARON BEARD, Associated Press Writer, 53 minutes ago
RALEIGH, N.C. - The North Carolina bar filed ethics charges Thursday against the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse case, accusing him of saying misleading or inflammatory things to the news media about the athletes under suspicion.
The punishment for ethics violations can range from admonishment to disbarment.
Among the four rules of professional conduct that District Attorney Mike Nifong was accused of violating was a prohibition against making comments "that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused."
The charges will be heard by an independent body called the Disciplinary Hearing Commission, made up of both lawyers and non-lawyers.
In a statement, the bar said it opened a case against Nifong in March 30, a little more than two weeks after the party where a 28-year-old student at North Carolina Central University hired to perform as a stripper said she was raped.
Nifong did not immediately return a call for comment.
Another of the rules Nifong was charged with breaking forbids "dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation." The bar said that when DNA testing failed to find any evidence a lacrosse player raped the accuser, Nifong told a reporter the players might have used a condom.
According to the bar, Nifong knew that assertion was misleading, because he had received a report from an emergency room nurse in which the accuser said her attackers did not use a condom.
Defense attorney Joseph Cheshire, who represents one of the three lacrosse players charged with sexual offense and kidnapping, declined to comment.
Last week, Nifong dropped the rape charges against the athletes after the stripper wavered in her story.
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N.C. bar files charges against Duke D.A. By AARON BEARD, Associated Press Writer, 53 minutes ago
RALEIGH, N.C. - The North Carolina bar filed ethics charges Thursday against the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse case, accusing him of saying misleading or inflammatory things to the news media about the athletes under suspicion.
The punishment for ethics violations can range from admonishment to disbarment.
Among the four rules of professional conduct that District Attorney Mike Nifong was accused of violating was a prohibition against making comments "that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused."
The charges will be heard by an independent body called the Disciplinary Hearing Commission, made up of both lawyers and non-lawyers.
In a statement, the bar said it opened a case against Nifong in March 30, a little more than two weeks after the party where a 28-year-old student at North Carolina Central University hired to perform as a stripper said she was raped.
Nifong did not immediately return a call for comment.
Another of the rules Nifong was charged with breaking forbids "dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation." The bar said that when DNA testing failed to find any evidence a lacrosse player raped the accuser, Nifong told a reporter the players might have used a condom.
According to the bar, Nifong knew that assertion was misleading, because he had received a report from an emergency room nurse in which the accuser said her attackers did not use a condom.
Defense attorney Joseph Cheshire, who represents one of the three lacrosse players charged with sexual offense and kidnapping, declined to comment.
Last week, Nifong dropped the rape charges against the athletes after the stripper wavered in her story.
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Whoozyerdaddy
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- Jun 27, 2005
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I just saw this. Nifong is in sooo much trouble. What on earth would posess this guy to risk his entire career over a case that was obviously questionable from the get-go and and only became more suspect as time went on.
Did he go to UNC or something?
Did he go to UNC or something?
Because like too many prosecutors he thought he had an easy case. Play the race card, intimidate young kids, and either get a plead or someone to cave and finger others. After all its up to them to prove their innocence as the DA would certainly not press charges... and what they too do when faced with being hauled off in handcuffs and intimidated by the police.
Sorry, get the officers involved as well, they had to know some of what was going on.
A lot of localities in Georgia actually get paid by the state to house prisoners/etc, pretty sure it works that way elsewhere
The University is clearly trying to avoid being sued all the way back to community college status. I hope the guys don't accept any ass-kissing offers from the school and each get $8-10 million for their trouble.
Are you saying that anyone who sleeps with a woman can thus extort the man for money and if he doesn't pay up, it's rape?
brandonbull
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- May 3, 2005
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That's why our legal system needs to have a "loser pays" system. Could help put average people on equal footing with the rich. They can run people into debt through legal means and it's just a battle of money.
Thump553
Lifer
- Jun 2, 2000
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How would you possibly have ANYONE act in an official capacity, such as prosecutor, in such a so-called "loser pays" system? The porsecutor pays all losing cases out of his personal paycheck? Good luck finding anyone willing to do the job. The state or federal government pays? I don't want to be a taxpayer there, I wouldn't be able to afford such a boondoggle. Imagine what a stupid system would do to plea bargaining-prosecutor A is facing a two essentially identical cases, both evidentially tough, one against a public defender, one against a high priced private attorney, both of equal skill. Who do you think is going to get the golden plea bargain offer? This would skew our system even worse in favor of the wealthy.
Is there any country in the world that has a "loser pays" system for criminal justice? I've never heard of one and highly doubt it.
Thnk for a while before posting.
Vic
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- Jun 12, 2001
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That's absolutely NOT what I'm saying. :roll:
I'm saying that if a verbal contract for sex has been established with a prostitute, that failure to pay according to said contract after the fact, as the Duke players did, is rape. This is because the consent for the sex was given on the basis that the payment would be involved, whereupon failure to pay as agreed upon becomes an act of theft, and forcible "theft" of sexual acts is technically known as rape.
But of course, "moralists" have made prostitution illegal in the US, so such verbal contracts are subsequently invalid, (although oddly enough, marriage for money is not illegal) therefore prostitutes all over the country are raped on a regular basis, and are forced to find protection from abusive pimps.
Sorry to hold a contrarian opinion, but I don't feel sorry for the Duke players. They should have paid the hooker. I'm sure it would have been a lot cheaper than their legal fees, time lost from school, and damaged reputations.
"I'm saying that if a verbal contract for sex has been established with a prostitute, that failure to pay according to said contract after the fact, as the Duke players did, is rape."
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:laugh: Wow. Just wow.
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:laugh: Wow. Just wow.
Do you also want to charge every guy that lies to get some action with rape?
Rape requires sex with out consent. The hooker consented to the sex so even if prostitution was legal rape could not be charged. The best the hooker would be able to do is sue for lost wages or maybe get the person arrested for theft of serices.
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