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Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.
 
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.

Well she's a whore if she's a stripper by definition. As far as felonous I heard she stole and breaking and entering. So I'm not judging just calling a spade a spade. These kids are good students and involved in demanding extracurricular activities to include greeks and athetics so I think your musings about thier lifestyle are comical at best w/o any evidence.
 
How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes. And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.
None of us were there, so it is hard to make a judgement call in terms of who is at fault here, or where the guilt resides.

You can't really make a determination of the victim based on her being a stripper, despite the stereotypes surrounding that profession.

Similarly, it is inappropriate to assume guilt on the part of the lacrosse players due to stereotypes surrounding college frat boy jocks.

Maybe one or even a few of the players did in fact rape her, or at the very least behaved inappropriately. As representatives of their respective universities, college athletes should not be hiring strippers...at the very least, the team should be disciplined for that decision alone.

The media circus surrounding this case is trying to make it a race issue, because racial tension is big business...when all else fails, play the race card.

I really cannot find a compelling reason to side with anyone on this case...the victim, the lacrosse players and even the DA have not demonstrated any of the character traits that deserve sympathy or even respect.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.

Well she's a whore if she's a stripper by definition. As far as felonous I heard she stole and breaking and entering. So I'm not judging just calling a spade a spade. These kids are good students and involved in demanding extracurricular activities to include greeks and athetics so I think your musings about thier lifestyle are comical at best w/o any evidence.

By definition?!?! Wow, guess breast feeding wasn't in your past. Let me enlighten you.

I looked up stripper for you, and it said to see:
striptease
One entry found for striptease.


Main Entry: strip·tease
Pronunciation: 'strip-"tEz
Function: noun
: a burlesque act in which a performer removes clothing piece by piece

Now, I don't see the word whore in there, but you said by definition, so I thought, I might want to try the reverse approach, I looked up whore and...

Main Entry: 1whore
Pronunciation: 'hOr, 'hor, 'hur
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English hore, from Old English hOre; akin to Old Norse hOra whore, hOrr adulterer, Latin carus dear -- more at CHARITY
1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : PROSTITUTE; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2 : a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3 : a venal or unscrupulous person

Hmmm no mention of stripper. I think you might want to check your dictionary. It might be the pat robertson version. I would have suggested the Jim Bakker version, but he paid for sex, so by definition he was with a whore, if not one himself.
 
The accuser in the Kobe Bryant trial wore panties to the hospital for her rape exam that had semen from two other men in them and none from Kobe.. 🙁 IIRC, she even had some pubic hairs tangled in with hers that were from a white guy.. not kobe.. BUT.. the disgusting DA went forward with the case because it made him famous and brought loads of cash .. I mean BIG LOADS of cash into his tiny little town... Do you know how many reporters and big reporting agencies camped in that town during that case .. and all the flights back and forth etc etc..

They even had skinheads passing out literature



NBC News also said the alleged victim told detectives that she was expecting for Bryant ?to make a move on her? when going to the star?s room.

Other evidence brought forward was the fact that the hotel?s night auditor was the first person the alleged victim saw after the attack ? not a bellman. The defense said the night auditor said the alleged victim didn?t appear upset and finished her shift.

The hearing then resumed with the defense questioning of the lead investigator, sheriff?s Detective Doug Winters.

Winters said the Eagle woman told him she had consensual sex on June 27 or June 28 and used a condom, backing earlier defense suggestions she was sexually active before her encounter with Bryant.

Winters also said two pairs of panties from the woman were tested - one from the night of June 30, the other being the one she wore to a hospital for an exam the next day. The latter pair contained blood and semen, Winters said.

?The accuser arrived at the hospital wearing panties with someone else?s semen and sperm in them, not that of Mr. Bryant, correct?? defense attorney Pamela Mackey asked. ?That?s correct,? Winters responded.

Pubic hair samples from the woman also turned up Caucasian hairs that could not have come from Bryant, who is black, Winters said.

In Wednesday?s court filing, defense attorney Hal Haddon said prosecutors misrepresented blood evidence found on the underpants. ?The clear implication of this testimony was that the accuser was bleeding due to the alleged sexual assault,? he said. The prosecution deliberately failed to ?put before the court all of the evidence concerning those panties.?
http://msnbc.com/news/980367.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

Unless they can prove she was drugged.
 
And.. in the Kobe case.. The Police Department and The Sheriff's Department entered into an agreement to buy these t-shirts 60+ of them - because of media attention they had to back out of the deal.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031227101408/http://hangkobe.com/

Yet.. they still pushed to try the case.. Even though this chick TRULY WAS A YOUNG WHORE


There was a racial profiling case here before and the sheriff's office tried to buy a bunch t-shirts that were, you know, "Hang Kobe" t-shirts. So I think that indicates that law enforcement there may not be unbiased. And I think that gives the defense argument to move for a venue change, a little more credibility.

O'BRIEN: And apparently, the chief of police there said he can't control his police officers wearing a t-shirt depicting Kobe Bryant hanging off duty.

RUSSELL: They have a First Amendment right to wear those off duty. I do think it does send a curious signal, though, to people about Sheriff Hoy (ph) and whether or not law enforcement was out to get Kobe from the very beginning
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.

Well she's a whore if she's a stripper by definition. As far as felonous I heard she stole and breaking and entering. So I'm not judging just calling a spade a spade. These kids are good students and involved in demanding extracurricular activities to include greeks and athetics so I think your musings about thier lifestyle are comical at best w/o any evidence.


Dude quit riding these jocks nuts!
You dont know jack about these guys or if they are bad people or not.
Let the system make the correct choice.

Gosh
:roll:
 
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.

Well she's a whore if she's a stripper by definition. As far as felonous I heard she stole and breaking and entering. So I'm not judging just calling a spade a spade. These kids are good students and involved in demanding extracurricular activities to include greeks and athetics so I think your musings about thier lifestyle are comical at best w/o any evidence.


Dude quit riding these jocks nuts!
You dont know jack about these guys or if they are bad people or not.
Let the system make the correct choice.

Gosh
:roll:


Sorry I just get really, really tired of the sanctimonious jackloads thinking they know everything about someone by their profession. Just because she is a stripper does NOT make her a whore.
I am not saying she is right or the lacrosse players are right. Just asking that people don't pass judgement so easily on the alleged rape victim, that happens way too damn much. "She was asking for it, did you see her? She was showing cleavage, she wanted it" yadda yadda yadda.
 
well well well..

(04/18/06 -- DURHAM) - Eyewitness News and the ABC News law-and-justice unit are getting a chance to examine time-stamped photos taken inside the home on the night of the controversial Duke lacrosse party.

The photos are believed to be authentic and taken by one of the students at the March 13 party. The time stamps on the photos appear to be accurate. Pictures of a wristwatch magnified for clarity correspond with the time on the photos. The players are sitting on three couches in a semicircle with the dancers in the middle.

11:02 p.m.: The first picture shows at least 10 students hanging out in a living room, apparently waiting for the dancers to arrive. Most of the students appear to be drinking. By the number of people in this photo, it appears only a fraction of the 47 lacrosse team members are there.

12 a.m.: This is the first picture of the strippers. Students are watching the show, but not grabbing or attempting to touch the women. Bruises are clearly visible on the legs and thighs of the alleged victim.

12:00:40 a.m.: Another picture taken 40 seconds later shows bruises on the accuser's knees. Her right knee appears to have an open cut.


12:03:57 p.m.: About four minutes after arriving, a picture shows the strippers leaving the room. The photo clearly shows that the alleged victim left behind one of her shoes.

Between 12:10 a.m. and 12:30 a.m.: No photos were taken between this time.

12:30:12 a.m.: The next photo shows the alleged victim on the back porch, carrying what appears to be her purse and a makeup bag. Her clothes are intact.

12:30:47 a.m.: A photo taken 30 seconds later shows the alleged victim on the porch and she appears to smile.

12:31:26 a.m.: But 30 seconds after that, a photo shows the alleged victim stumbling down the back steps of the house.

12:37:58 a.m.: A series of photos are taken, all showing the woman lying on her left side on the back porch, seemingly passed out or asleep. She had visible cuts on her legs and buttocks that did not appear in the previous photos.

The cuts may be from falling. The cuts on her buttocks line up with the edge of a screen door she may have hit on the way down.

12:41 a.m.: The final photo shows the accuser and the second dancer in a black car. The accuser is in the passengers seat.

Many of the photos taken on the back porch show pink splotches, which the defense says is undried nail polish. They claim the accuser was polishing her nails in the bathroom between 12:10 a.m. and 12:30 a.m. - - not being raped.
LINK

 
Originally posted by: dahunan
IF this woman is guilty of false accusations.. what should be her punishment?

Well I'm sure it's at least a serious misdemeanor to make a false report of a felony. And despite the protestations of the "poor little choirboys being persecuted by the evil stripper and DA" crowd . . . she would definitely get prosecuted.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: dahunan
IF this woman is guilty of false accusations.. what should be her punishment?

Well I'm sure it's at least a serious misdemeanor to make a false report of a felony. And despite the protestations of the "poor little choirboys being persecuted by the evil stripper and DA" crowd . . . she would definitely get prosecuted.

Kobe's accuser never got prosecuted... even after she dropped all charges right before trial -- she even got cash from the civil trial
 
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.

Well she's a whore if she's a stripper by definition. As far as felonous I heard she stole and breaking and entering. So I'm not judging just calling a spade a spade. These kids are good students and involved in demanding extracurricular activities to include greeks and athetics so I think your musings about thier lifestyle are comical at best w/o any evidence.

By definition?!?! Wow, guess breast feeding wasn't in your past. Let me enlighten you.

I looked up stripper for you, and it said to see:
striptease
One entry found for striptease.


Main Entry: strip·tease
Pronunciation: 'strip-"tEz
Function: noun
: a burlesque act in which a performer removes clothing piece by piece

Now, I don't see the word whore in there, but you said by definition, so I thought, I might want to try the reverse approach, I looked up whore and...

Main Entry: 1whore
Pronunciation: 'hOr, 'hor, 'hur
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English hore, from Old English hOre; akin to Old Norse hOra whore, hOrr adulterer, Latin carus dear -- more at CHARITY
1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : PROSTITUTE; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman

2 : a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3 : a venal or unscrupulous person

Hmmm no mention of stripper. I think you might want to check your dictionary. It might be the pat robertson version. I would have suggested the Jim Bakker version, but he paid for sex, so by definition he was with a whore, if not one himself.


1 Running her snatch against your nads a they do in lap dances is considered a sexual act and of course it's for money. Not to metion every stipper we ever hired at bachelor parties etc was available for "other" services on the QT: expicitly making them a whore

2. n/a

3. Strippers are venal.

Two out of three she fits to a tee.
 
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.

Well she's a whore if she's a stripper by definition. As far as felonous I heard she stole and breaking and entering. So I'm not judging just calling a spade a spade. These kids are good students and involved in demanding extracurricular activities to include greeks and athetics so I think your musings about thier lifestyle are comical at best w/o any evidence.


Dude quit riding these jocks nuts!
You dont know jack about these guys or if they are bad people or not.
Let the system make the correct choice.

Gosh
:roll:

I know they are overacheivers. Getting into Duke alone puts you into top 5% of HS grads. Getting A's at Duke like they have puts them above that 5%. Then add in thier Greek and athletic commitments I'd think I have a pretty good idea what kind of individuals we are dealing with. Winners. Anything is possible but I know who has more credibility in my eyes in a he said she said scenario.

 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: dahunan
IF this woman is guilty of false accusations.. what should be her punishment?

Well I'm sure it's at least a serious misdemeanor to make a false report of a felony. And despite the protestations of the "poor little choirboys being persecuted by the evil stripper and DA" crowd . . . she would definitely get prosecuted.

Kobe's accuser never got prosecuted... even after she dropped all charges right before trial -- she even got cash from the civil trial

Kobe ain't OJ but I seriously doubt his "innocence." I'm not saying he assaulted the woman . . . but that case was never clear . . . and never will be . . . in part b/c Kobe paid to have it go away.
 
Getting into Duke definitely requires effort but many students are prep school . . . and that's more money than aptitude.

Duke has a terrible problem with grade inflation. They've tweaked at it in the past but in truth it's pretty easy to get As . . . particularly when a full load is 4 classes. I don't know about lax but bball players love Sociology.

Greek life is huge at Duke b/c they don't have anything else to do. It's actually pretty sad. Even people that live IN Durham know better than to just "hang out." It ain't South Central LA or East St. Louis but it isn't Chapel Hill, either. Quite a few dookies make the 10 mile trek to Chapel Hill but if the sole purpose is drinking many will just load up in the dorm room (or off campus abodes for upperclass).

It is curious how your superficial perspective on the protagonists is all positive for one side and all negative for the other. Although indictments from grand juries are notoriously easy to procure . . . Nifong has got a little more than hopes and dreams . . . and an election in the near future.
 
I can't believe they're charging the Duke players without any DNA evidence. How can you charge them with rape with no DNA evidence whatsoever? To me, the fact there is no DNA evidence exonerates them.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Getting into Duke definitely requires effort but many students are prep school . . . and that's more money than aptitude.
I completely disagree with your stereotype of prep schools. But regardless, if these players were scholarship athletes, they were probably short-circuited through the admissions process anyway. Every school handles scholarship athletes this way, unfortunately.

Duke has a terrible problem with grade inflation. They've tweaked at it in the past but in truth it's pretty easy to get As . . . particularly when a full load is 4 classes.
There were only 15 people my freshman year who carried a 4.0 both semesters, from a class of 1500. How many A's have you gotten at Duke that make you such an expert?

I don't know about lax but bball players love Sociology.
I won't defend the puff majors that some scholarship athletes choose. But the ones who don't go pro (i.e. the entire lax team) typically pick real majors. In any case, I'd put the Duke sociology program up against its counterpart at UNC any day.

It is curious how your superficial perspective on the protagonists is all positive for one side and all negative for the other. Although indictments from grand juries are notoriously easy to procure . . . Nifong has got a little more than hopes and dreams . . . and an election in the near future.
The recent public and media backlash against Nifong started after the DNA results came back negative and he refused to offer any more evidence which implicates the players (aside from this apparent witness photo identification).

I would certainly re-evaluate my position if new evidence were presented, but in the meantime they're innocent until proven guilty. We'll have to wait for the trial discovery process to take place to know what evidence Nifong actually has.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
I can't believe they're charging the Duke players without any DNA evidence. How can you charge them with rape with no DNA evidence whatsoever? To me, the fact there is no DNA evidence exonerates them.

You don't need DNA evidence for rape because they could have used a condom. I mean really would you have unprotected sex with some whore? So more than likly *if*, and that's a big if, they did rape her they did use a condom. So all we have to go with is her credibility and the boys.

Obviously the cops and DA feel she is credible or they would'nt have conveined a grand jury in the first place. Now lets see what happens when a real jury is assembled.
 
In any case, I'd put the Duke sociology program up against its counterpart at UNC any day.
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LOL so this is where Bali's resentment comes from? Simple school rivalry is his justification for pursueing a guilty position against these Duke students? Talk about shallow.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Zebo
DNA evidence? whats that going to prove she likes you to keep it in? If I were on a jury no way would I believe some felonous whore over a bunch of college kids DNA evidence or not. That's what this case will come down to. He said she said credibility and numbers!

How do you know they are just college kids? They could be pedophiles, beastiality followers, rape the elderly at nursing homes.
And you're so quick to call the accuser a felonous whore. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I believe she was a 'college kid' too.

Well she's a whore if she's a stripper by definition. As far as felonous I heard she stole and breaking and entering. So I'm not judging just calling a spade a spade. These kids are good students and involved in demanding extracurricular activities to include greeks and athetics so I think your musings about thier lifestyle are comical at best w/o any evidence.


Dude quit riding these jocks nuts!
You dont know jack about these guys or if they are bad people or not.
Let the system make the correct choice.

Gosh
:roll:

I know they are overacheivers. Getting into Duke alone puts you into top 5% of HS grads. Getting A's at Duke like they have puts them above that 5%. Then add in thier Greek and athletic commitments I'd think I have a pretty good idea what kind of individuals we are dealing with. Winners. Anything is possible but I know who has more credibility in my eyes in a he said she said scenario.

So, just because they got into a 'top' college, joined a frat, played some athletics makes them winners, ok. Maybe, just maybe they're obsessive compulsive and have to succeed. And well, oc folks tend to be a bit on the edge.
Just because they're shiny, doesn't mean there's not ****** underneath it.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: dahunan
IF this woman is guilty of false accusations.. what should be her punishment?

Well I'm sure it's at least a serious misdemeanor to make a false report of a felony. And despite the protestations of the "poor little choirboys being persecuted by the evil stripper and DA" crowd . . . she would definitely get prosecuted.

Kobe's accuser never got prosecuted... even after she dropped all charges right before trial -- she even got cash from the civil trial

Kobe ain't OJ but I seriously doubt his "innocence." I'm not saying he assaulted the woman . . . but that case was never clear . . . and never will be . . . in part b/c Kobe paid to have it go away.


:roll: Yeah, because its not like Kobe can't get 10x better than that ugly piece of trash. From the beginning it was obvious that the case was a load of bull.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Getting into Duke definitely requires effort but many students are prep school . . . and that's more money than aptitude.

Duke has a terrible problem with grade inflation. They've tweaked at it in the past but in truth it's pretty easy to get As . . . particularly when a full load is 4 classes. I don't know about lax but bball players love Sociology.


I think evry school does this. My dad was in the carlson school of business at the University of MN. One of the top business school in the nation and was top of an accounting class with 30% test scores. He couldnt believe it but got an A+ in the class which means the avg could very well have been in the teens.

He went back to school when I did and got his accounting degree, just to say he did.
 
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