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dude jailed for recording cops; will laugh to the bank

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dmcowen674 said:
There are people in jail all over the country.

It is illegal to video or audio record the police. They own you.
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Guess you never heard of the Supreme Court of the United States of America, who says that it is NOT illegal to record the police, and it's protected by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

It was in the news. Check it out sometime. 🙄
 
dmcowen674 said:
I based my "header" from the Internet search, so you can complain to Google, Yahoo, Bing etc

Also here is a different article headline for the same article.
The 15 years is for each count and he was charged for 5 counts.
Allisolm has to go back to school to learn how to read and count.
For most people 75 years in prison is essentially life in prison.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...stant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml

Man Facing 75 Years In Jail For Recording The Police; Illinois Assistant AG Says No Right To Record Police.
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I read both your original articles. They are about Christopher Drew and Tiawanda Moore, neither of whom was facing life or 75 years or charged with 5 counts of anything. Neither article has headlines or any mention of 75 years or life or 5 counts of anything.

In fact one article says "any effort to audiotape police activity on public streets or in parks is a crime in Illinois—a crime punishable by 15 years in prison" and that is ALL is says about the possible sentence.

The other says "About the only thing these strangers have in common is the prospect that by spring, they could each be sent to prison for up to 15 years." Quotes from YOUR articles.


The 75 years headline you bring up in post #75 refers to an entirely different person named Michael Allison and and entirely different case than the 2 YOU originally mentioned in post #32.

And the charges were dropped against Michael Allison more than a year ago because - are you ready for this - "a state judge ruled that his First Amendment rights had been violated, following a trend of similar rulings across the country that underscore the fact that it is not illegal to film cops."
Which still means no people in Illinois are facing any prison time for recording Chicago Police.

http://www.infowars.com/charges-dropped-against-man-who-faced-life-in-jail-for-recording-cops/
 
allisolm said:
I read both your original articles. They are about Christopher Drew and Tiawanda Moore, neither of whom was facing life or 75 years or charged with 5 counts of anything. Neither article has headlines or any mention of 75 years or life or 5 counts of anything.

In fact one article says "any effort to audiotape police activity on public streets or in parks is a crime in Illinois—a crime punishable by 15 years in prison" and that is ALL is says about the possible sentence.

The other says "About the only thing these strangers have in common is the prospect that by spring, they could each be sent to prison for up to 15 years." Quotes from YOUR articles.


The 75 years headline you bring up in post #75 refers to an entirely different person named Michael Allison and and entirely different case than the 2 YOU originally mentioned in post #32.

And the charges were dropped against Michael Allison more than a year ago because - are you ready for this - "a state judge ruled that his First Amendment rights had been violated, following a trend of similar rulings across the country that underscore the fact that it is not illegal to film cops."
Which still means no people in Illinois are facing any prison time for recording Chicago Police.

http://www.infowars.com/charges-dropped-against-man-who-faced-life-in-jail-for-recording-cops/
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Keep reading, apparently you need the practice
 
marvdmartian said:
Guess you never heard of the Supreme Court of the United States of America, who says that it is NOT illegal to record the police, and it's protected by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

It was in the news. Check it out sometime. 🙄
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It's in the news people still getting arrested for recording the police, you should check it out.
 
dmcowen674 said:
It's in the news people still getting arrested for recording the police, you should check it out.
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Only by police departments and prosecutors who are trying to bully the public into not recording cops. The courts will toss out every one of those arrests because no federal, state or local law can supersede the U.S. Constitution.

It would take a Constitutional amendment to make recording cops in public places illegal. That or the courts would have to do a complete turn around on how they have historically interpreted the First Amendment.
 
Paladin3 said:
Only by police departments and prosecutors who are trying to bully the public into not recording cops. The courts will toss out every one of those arrests because no federal, state or local law can supersede the U.S. Constitution.

It would take a Constitutional amendment to make recording cops in public places illegal. That or the courts would have to do a complete turn around on how they have historically interpreted the First Amendment.
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this isnt true, they just claim that the person recording them was "interfering with a police investigation" or "assaulting a cop"
 
Baked said:
What a fucking idiot. I hope he gets ass ripped in jail so he can learn his lesson on spending more time doing productive shit, rather than instigating shit, like a normal citizen.

I don't see what's wrong with what the cop did. He wanted to check the douchebag's ID. If you don't have, the cop can assume you're an illegal alien.
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The police are there to protect the law, not protect their, and your, insecurity.

infowars is a pathetically biased site and everything must be taken with a grain of salt, but I actually think guys like this are a hero IF that story is accurate. Filming the police and how they act in public shouldn't be punished, but rather rewarded. They hold a very unique position in society and must be held to very high standards. They need to always know that their behavior is being recorded.

Supreme Court of the US needs to come down on this issue once and for all.
 
Illegal or not is a whole other story. It's the cops word against his. Cops always win. They'll make stuff up if they have to.
 
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
It's in the news people still getting arrested for recording the police, you should check it out

Paladin3 said:
Only by police departments and prosecutors who are trying to bully the public into not recording cops. The courts will toss out every one of those arrests because no federal, state or local law can supersede the U.S. Constitution.

It would take a Constitutional amendment to make recording cops in public places illegal. That or the courts would have to do a complete turn around on how they have historically interpreted the First Amendment.
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Meantime every time it happens it costs citizens a lot of money due to missing work, bail money, lawyer money and health issues related to said costs.

As the ladies pointed out a person has already died before their case went to trial.

I'm sure the death was not just due to the cancer and trying to beat the the cancer was made more difficult with the charges hanging overhead.
 
tommo123 said:
i agree with you when it comes to civilians (what do i have to hide? things i choose to keep private) but not the police. they are doing a job as a public server - being paid by the public and are prone to abuse of power - at least it seems that way so i have no probs with people being allowed to record police while they're being paid.
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The courts have ruled, and in my opinion correctly, that you do not have an expectation of privacy when you are in the public. Basically, you can video record anyone on a public street so this goes even beyond what you posted (which I agree with btw).
 
Genx87 said:
And none of those are enforceable in court. If you notice when people push back at the district attorney the office will drop the charges. Why? Because they know if it goes to trial the law will be tossed out. They would rather keep the law on the books to intimidate people who dont know better.
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And frankly it is quite effective. Most people are not willing to spend a night in jail, even knowing all charges will be dropped, to record the police and they know that quite well. The vast majority of people will be intimidated and continue on being the sheeple they are.
 
Fenixgoon said:
at least in maryland, this has already been overturned (case was a cop arresting a motorcyclist who had a helmet cam)
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http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...-20100927_1_police-officers-plitt-cell-phones

http://www.pixiq.com/article/maryla...n-wiretapping-charge-for-filming-cop-with-gun

Cops already have a good of power and people want to give them even more power to "cook up bullshit" and waste your time in court before charges are dropped. The "he says, she says" with no evidence situation is one in which it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove something did or did not happen. By forbidding monitoring of the cops by the cilivian, you give the cops yet another avenue to creating "he says, she says" in which they charge you with bullshit because they just can. You cannot hold someone accountable if you are watching them.

But yet people have this strange tendency to assume cops will hold themselves accountable when the environmental structures that affect their people promote the opposite. Hell, I've seen it where police cars are speeding when there is no emergency at all(no sirens or lights flashing on the car) and I'm sure the fella is not going to give himself a ticket when he gets home.
 
dmcowen674 said:
It's in the news people still getting arrested for recording the police, you should check it out.
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Being charged is not the same as being convicted. Being arrested is not actually any indication of guilt, just an indicator that the person might be guilty.

No proof, no conviction. In fact, the person in the OP was not charged for recording the police, but a more general rule of obstructing a cop's duty.
 
it's bullying. why were they arrested if they did nothing wrong/illegal? cops should have to have a solid reason to arrest you - not some vague crap. they need to clamp down on this otherwise it will get worse
 
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