Dude...do you really want a Dell??

[RGN]

WilsonTung: Bickerford would say that is a "submarketplace"

Yes, most dell products are based on Intel Mobo's. Servers ofter have supermicro's in them.

This goes back to what I said earlier about the "bad customer" issue. If you studied customer service issues, most problems are a non educated customer and a service rep that cannot do his/her job.

[sarcasm] that must mean that all Dell products are crap and they suck[/sarcasm]

 

[bickerford]

<< Not all "premade" systems suck. >>



You're just in denial because you were naive enough to pay top dollar for a piece of crap.

 

[tops2]

i'm using a dell my dad got (without my permission! ;-) )
but being serious for a moment, its a stable computer
the only thing i have to complain about is the cheapness of stuff such as the case. it feels way to flimsy for me...
man, only if my dad didn't just order a dell but let me build a computer from scratch...
**sigh**

lol

 

[MacBaine]

So by your logic, the higher grossing a movie, the worse it is?

 

[bickerford]

<< Lets see, iirc in past years the Honda Accord was one of the most popular sedans. >>



See my point above. Sedans are a submarketplace, not a marketplace. The marketplace is that of all cars, where Honda does not dominate.

 

[MacBaine]

<< You're just in denial because you were naive enough to pay top dollar for a piece of crap. >>


Tell us what system you have.

Tell me why mine is a "piece of crap".

Tell us how much you payed for yours.

Tell us what your OS is.

Tell us where you bought your components.

 

[bickerford]

<< So by your logic, the higher grossing a movie, the worse it is? >>



In order to get more viewers, logically a movie has to cater to a lower common denominator. This means cruder jokes, more violence, more explosions, a simpler plot with fewer and/or more predictable twists, less intelligent conversation, less symbology and metaphor, and so on.

 

[MacBaine]

<< In order to get more viewers, logically a movie has to cater to a lower common denominator. This means cruder jokes, more violence, more explosions, a simpler plot with fewer and/or more predictable twists, less intelligent conversation, less symbology and metaphor, and so on. >>

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Oh yeah, Sixth Sence, Monsters Inc., Gone with the Wind, Apollo 13.

Obviously these movies must have an incredibly simple plot, non-stop explosions, no intelligent conversation, and oh yes, MORE VIOLENCE THAN YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE.

By this logic, "Dude, Where's My car" is obviously a much more intelligent, meaningful movie than Gone with the Wind.

 

[Gibson486]

<<Premade PC's (Dell, Gateway, Compaq, emachines, etc.)
Configurable professionally made PC's (Alienware, Falcon Northwest, Voodoo Computers, etc.)
PC's you build yourself

The first class of PC's universally suck. They use the cheapest and least reliable components possible. So-called "service" is impersonal, often not helpful at all, and simply a scam to siphon even more money off of the naive consumer (in the form of extended service plan). You can exchange any one of those manufacturers for any other one, they all suck.
>>

OK, Dell and Comapq are not really in the same league, although, Dell and Gateway are moving towards being less and less configuarble. As for poor quality parts... Dell and Gateway both use the same parts as other manufactures such as Alienware, with exception to the motherboard. Woopee, so their GeForce4 is not made by Asus, so what. As for the motherboard, both Dell and Gateway use Intel motherboards, which, last I heard and read, were very stable and that is the exact reason why it is teh choice for first class OEM's. Just because they do not include a motherboard that is not overclockable does not mean it is poor quality.

 

[WilsonTung]

<< You're just in denial because you were naive enough to pay top dollar for a piece of crap. >>



(1) My Dimension XPS T is not a piece of crap. It has proven to be a flexible, reliable solution for the things I ask it to do. It may not get 10000 FPS in Q3A or Max Payne, but it is more than good enough for office apps, photoshop work, and programming.

(2) I paid $1600 for it July 1999 - considerably cheaper than comparable systems from HP, IBM, or Compaq. Since I was going to use it at College, I wanted to purchase from a company that had good service. Dell ships replacement parts via next-day-air, which is important in minimizing downtime in the event that a part fails.

Example: If I had built my own system and a HDD failed, I'd have to wait a week for an RMA from Maxtor or several weeks from IBM (or some other amount of time depending on manufacturer). So I paid a bit more for faster RMA service - there's nothing naive about that.

Of course, you will probably find some stupid argument against this, etc. etc. There's no arguing with "1337" script-kiddies who think their so hot because they built their own box. Hell, you won't even respond to the point I made about premade boxes not necessarily using low quality components.

 

[Russ]

If one were to buy a name-brand, the only real choice is Dell. They build reliable systems. Anybody who claims they're junk and compares them to Compaq and the others is an idiot of the lowest order. The only problem with Dell is that their service for the home purchaser has been slipping as they move more aggressively in to the big business market.

Speaking of idiots, does anybody else get the feeling that this bickerford is a reincarnation of some other loser?

Russ, NCNE

 

[Geekbabe]

<< Speaking of idiots, does anybody else get the feeling that this bickerford is a reincarnation of some other loser?

Russ, NCNE >>



Yeah,sorta like that nasty repeater heartburn reflux you get after eating cheap food

 

[MacBaine]

<< Speaking of idiots, does anybody else get the feeling that this bickerford is a reincarnation of some other loser? >>



*coughcoughDocSmartcoughcough* AHEM.... man... I need to get this cough checked out

 

[Stark]

<< Speaking of idiots, does anybody else get the feeling that this bickerford is a reincarnation of some other loser? >>


I was just going to flame him as a fool and you beat me to the punch.

I'm in charge of servicing 200+ Dell computers (Optiplex GX100, GX150, Dimension 8500, Inspiron 7000, 7500, Latitude c800, c810, PowerEdge 2550 and a few other models as well), and I think they're just peachy. Generally they run problem free. The most common error is the ID-10-T user who downloads webshots and other misc. crap from the internet.

If I have an easy hardware problem, I get the parts the next day.

If it's something I don't feel like fixing or it could be a few things (the computer won't turn on), a tech comes out the next day and I show him the computer and let him fix it. I'm past the point of proving my manhood by fixing every possible problem that arises. If you have the power to make someone else do work for you, use it.

I also have some older computers built by a local shop and I hate them. I also hate the toshiba laptops that our board members keep breaking. When you have lots of computers to service you want standards, and Dell's offer that.

OTOH, ever compaq desktop computer I've ever tried to fix has been an absolute POS. My wife has to fix micron's at her job and they seem to have plenty of problems too. Gateway another option, but are they going to be around in three years when the warranty expires?

Of course the systems I build at home for friends and family usually have AMD processors and would spank my work Dells any day of the week.

 

[bickerford]

<< Of course the systems I build at home for friends and family usually have AMD processors and would spank my work Dells any day of the week. >>



Thank you for proving my point.

 

[IJump]

I've put about 120 new Dell computers in at work this year. They are the most reliable computers we have in our building.

 

[Russ]

<< Thank you for proving my point. >>



He didn't prove your point, moron. You said that Dell's universally suck and are built with the cheapest and least reliable components. You said nothing about speed comparison.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Geekbabe]

<<

<< Of course the systems I build at home for friends and family usually have AMD processors and would spank my work Dells any day of the week. >>



Thank you for proving my point. >>




Actually what he just explained to you is why Dell offers excellent solutions for Business. You might find this hard to believe but large companies have a different set of needs than home users or cough,cough, Fan Boy gaming junkies !


<---Cannot believe the evolution that has occured that would allow me to use the phrase "Fan boy gaming junkies"

 

[ElFenix]

you know, because intel processors and motherboards, crucial ram (which a whole lot of us here swear by) and 3com NICs are the lowest quality parts on the planet as far as computers go. and dell, compaq, and gateway systems aren't professionally built. wait... they are. and alienware offers really good components. wait, last i checked they were using some POS 2nd tier motherboard. sure, you can't configure dell infinitely, but how many people actually need that option? the general home user wouldn't have the slightest idea of the difference between intel, msi, asus, and abit boards, and would probably go with intel because they've heard of that brand. your IT people are probably aren't going to want to make a ton of decisions on the exact config of 1000 computers they're ordering, because then theres too much liability for him.

and have you checked the price on windows and office? windows is $200 for the home version. add that in to the price of your home-built and you're getting near to if not over the dell/compaq/gateway/whoever price. office is near $500. office pro, $650.

 

[Red Dawn]

You guys are just having fun playing with bickerson like a cat plays with a rodent before it eats it.

It's true that Dell has some proprietary parts like the motherboard and their chassis but it both cases those components are top quality. In fact the Dell Chassis are inovative and actually provide better airflow than most of the popular Brand Named Chassiss out there.




<< Cannot believe the evolution that has occured that would allow me to use the phrase "Fan boy gaming junkies >>

Nah Fanboys usually know what they are talking about somewhat, bickerson is clueless.

 

[bickerford]

This troll, aka titaniumdonut, has left the building.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[Geekbabe]

<<

<< your IT people are probably aren't going to want to make a ton of decisions on the exact config of 1000 computers they're ordering, because then theres too much liability for him. >>



if an IT employee is afraid of making decisions on IT projects for fear of liability, he does not deserve his position and he has no business being an IT employee.

this sorry excuse for purchasing overpriced, underperforming, proprietary crap is the sorriest excuse that I have ever seen. >>




Yawn... I'm gonna go take a nap now, will somebody wake me up when the discussion starts please ?

 

[b0mbrman]

If I was forced to buy a premade PC, I'd much rather get a Compaq than a Dell

 

[poopaskoopa]

The said IT employee's not afraid. The said IT employee is aware that: The end users have not complained about the desktop PCs from Dell(in terms of speed and reliability), the parts fail very infrequently, and when they do fail the RMA process is quick and painless. Also in the grand scheme of IT stuff, the cost of the PCs isn't where the biggest fat is.

As for calling me dishonest for screwing over Dell, you're in the wrong because I don't own a Dell PC.

 

[crypticlogin]

<< I can think of no counterexamples and nobody here can think of any either. >>


In that other thread, you went on for quite a bit on how Playstation 2 is "infinitely superior" to the XBOX. I'm assuming that means you think the PS2 is a higher quality product. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll continue with the North American 2001 holiday sales figures for video game consoles:
1) PS2 - 2.5 million units
2) XBOX - 1.5 million
3) Gamecube - 1.2 million

(sources: "Playstation 2 remains a best seller", "...: Console sales numbers trickle in...")



<< Popularity is not an indicatior of high quality. If anything, it is a pretty good indicator of horrible quality. >>


So which is it, popularity indicates poor quality or does popularity indicate high quality? And what does that say about the Gamecube?

I'll go on with my little tirade by saying the perception of quality is also relative, especially in these submarkets of yours. Personally, I think your definition of market and submarkets is self-restricting and based on consumer preference, submarkets become entire markets themselves. I think most PC buyers have in mind what kind of machine they want when they start the buying process. For their own use, it's either build it yourself or buy it prebuilt. A comparison between the two is unequal and skewed. Take my example of buying a car:

If I'm buying a car, I usually go into the dealership knowing what kind of vehicle I'd consider and what I wouldn't. That automatically eliminates myself from certain types of cars (e.g. my needs and budget say I'm not interested in SUVs, (sub)compacts, trucks... basically sedans and sedan/wagon hybrids) so my entire market is now sedans. Now lets say my benchmark for quality is the MPG rating, one thing I'm most concerned with but not at the sacrifice of crash test ratings.

Obviously subcompacts would be great mileage but tend to have low survivability rates. OTOH, SUVs guzzle then guzzle more but I could probably take on a Yugo and not flinch... but oops, I can't look at either of those categories. I'm looking at sedans. The odds that I'd buy anything but a sedan/wagon is slim to none, and slim just left town.