Ducks getting screwed in BCS?

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Train
Damn dude your really reaching now, what happened in 4 out of 6 games two years ago validates the Pac-10? gimme a break.

In 3 of those games the PAC-10 had the higher ranked team anyways.

Exactly...PAC-10 is strong.

 

[BlancoNino]

Well i guess I just don't get what anybody is comparing the pac-10 this year? Who have they played out of conference that the SEC and ACC ALSO played? I can only point out LSU and ASU that LSU barely edged out that win. And that was ASU's freshman QB's starting day. I can also bring up the stanford notre dame game where notre dame struggled against them.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Mill
Sagarin's ratings are unduly biased against Conferences with more than 10 teams or Conferences that play Championship games.

The more teams in your conference the lower your average will be. That's why the Big East looks "decent" in his ratings, whereas the WAC would destroy just about all of their teams this year, and I wouldn't be shocked if they lose their BCS slot eventually.

If his rating are biased against conferences with more than 10 teams, whyis the ACC ranked so high the last two years?
The Big Least has hardly ever looked good in Sagarin's ratings. In the list I posted, they only made the top 5 once, and that was when Miami, BC and VT were still in.

The ACC is the best conference, IMO, from top to bottom, especially this year.
The middle of the ACC is especially tough. Teams like BC, Clemson, Maryland, NC State, Virginia, and GT can and often do beat top 10 teams on any given Saturday.

You just don't have that in the Pac 10, Big 12, or even the SEC this year.

When you add Miami and Va. Tech it doesn't exactly dilute your talent pool.

Fact is, the ACC had a good year, in that Duke was the only HORRIBLE team this year. Kentucky, Ole Miss, and MSU were horrible teams this year, but Ole Miss and MSU will eventually be good again. The main problem stems from the fact that Sagarin's rating are nowhere near the same as the polls. He's got the ACC teams rated much higher and the SEC teams lower.

You can find computer rankings to fit an agenda no matter what:

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm#Conference -- Pac-10 is weaker and so is the ACC
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf -- USC's schedule is the weakest in the Top 5

http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html - ACC has a losing record to SEC -- SEC is tired with Pac-10, etc

You can argue numerous ways.

Fact is, the Pac-10 simply doesn't have the competition and strength as any of the other major conferences. They are top heavy.

How about Texas' conference. That's gotta be the worst conference in the nation...

The B12 has been overrated for a while, this year has exposed that. Has been a 2-team conference for so long, and when one of them is down (OU), it's just plain bad.

Uh? Might I remind you Colorado and Nebraska used to be extremely good. Its not a two team conference. Did the Big12 have a down year? Yeah. Has it been slightly overrated in years past? Is it better than the Pac10? Yeah Tech proved that last year. When the teams of the big 12 hit on all cylindars its the toughest conference. They just havent been doing that the past three years.

The same could be said for the ACC, SEC, or Big 10. When any of these conference's teams are hitting on all cylinders they could all potentially be the toughest conference. The B12 has been awful the last few years but only this year was exposed. If Nebraska and CU actually become competetive in the conference instead of being midmiajor-level pushovers against the top teams, that may change.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Mill
Sagarin's ratings are unduly biased against Conferences with more than 10 teams or Conferences that play Championship games.

The more teams in your conference the lower your average will be. That's why the Big East looks "decent" in his ratings, whereas the WAC would destroy just about all of their teams this year, and I wouldn't be shocked if they lose their BCS slot eventually.

If his rating are biased against conferences with more than 10 teams, whyis the ACC ranked so high the last two years?
The Big Least has hardly ever looked good in Sagarin's ratings. In the list I posted, they only made the top 5 once, and that was when Miami, BC and VT were still in.

The ACC is the best conference, IMO, from top to bottom, especially this year.
The middle of the ACC is especially tough. Teams like BC, Clemson, Maryland, NC State, Virginia, and GT can and often do beat top 10 teams on any given Saturday.

You just don't have that in the Pac 10, Big 12, or even the SEC this year.

When you add Miami and Va. Tech it doesn't exactly dilute your talent pool.

Fact is, the ACC had a good year, in that Duke was the only HORRIBLE team this year. Kentucky, Ole Miss, and MSU were horrible teams this year, but Ole Miss and MSU will eventually be good again. The main problem stems from the fact that Sagarin's rating are nowhere near the same as the polls. He's got the ACC teams rated much higher and the SEC teams lower.

You can find computer rankings to fit an agenda no matter what:

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm#Conference -- Pac-10 is weaker and so is the ACC
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf -- USC's schedule is the weakest in the Top 5

http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html - ACC has a losing record to SEC -- SEC is tired with Pac-10, etc

You can argue numerous ways.

Fact is, the Pac-10 simply doesn't have the competition and strength as any of the other major conferences. They are top heavy.

How about Texas' conference. That's gotta be the worst conference in the nation...

The B12 has been overrated for a while, this year has exposed that. Has been a 2-team conference for so long, and when one of them is down (OU), it's just plain bad.

Uh? Might I remind you Colorado and Nebraska used to be extremely good. Its not a two team conference. Did the Big12 have a down year? Yeah. Has it been slightly overrated in years past? Is it better than the Pac10? Yeah Tech proved that last year. When the teams of the big 12 hit on all cylindars its the toughest conference. They just havent been doing that the past three years.

Big 12 is better than the PAC-10??? AHAHA...Texas played a 7-4 team in the conference championship for christs sake...that's the best the division had to offer. PAC-10 has the #1,#5 and UCLA which is around 15th now...More than you can say about the pathetic Big 12.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Train
Damn dude your really reaching now, what happened in 4 out of 6 games two years ago validates the Pac-10? gimme a break.

In 3 of those games the PAC-10 had the higher ranked team anyways.

Exactly...PAC-10 is strong.

hahaha.... you're killing me :laugh:

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: hdeck
i will go ahead and predict a 200+ yard game for mr. peterson.

was Peterson out when UCLA beat OU,

he must have been, else OU would have just run the ball rather than their weak QB throw

yes he was out. i'll be so bold as to say if those 2 teams played today ou wouldn't have a problem beating them. they're a young team that had to grow up a lot this season, esp with their only offensive star hurt for much of the season.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Yeah AFTER they already accepted a bowl bid and spent all their energy playing USC. PLUS Nevada is NOT a bad team.

You guys keep bringing up last years bowl results...yeah it wasn't very good for the pac-10 but the year before that.

HOLIDAY BOWL
Washington State 28 vs. Texas 20

INSIGHT BOWL
California 52 vs. Virginia Tech 49

LAS VEGAS BOWL
Oregon State 55 vs. New Mexico 14 (NM was good that year)

ROSE BOWL
USC 28 vs. Michigan 14

that's 4 out of 6 wins against Big-12, Big-10 and ACC. At least put the pac-10 on the SAME LEVEL. ANyone care to claim what the ducks COULD have done to have made it to a BCS bowl then? They lost to the team nobody can beat...and they beat everyone else...what does it take?

talking 2 years ago is ridiculous, since every one of those teams is drastically different, in most cases almost completely different.

and talking about "their record doesn't really show how good they are" can be said about ANY team in ANY conference, and it will be laughed at all the same.

 

[BlancoNino]

SO anyone? What could the ducks have done to get into a BCS game? Gone undefeated and watched some 1 loss team play Texas for the title?

 

[aswedc]

Florida State should not be in a BCS game. What a stupid system.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
SO anyone? What could the ducks have done to get into a BCS game? Gone undefeated and watched some 1 loss team play Texas for the title?

You act like if they were any better they would have beaten USC. They could be a LOT better and still have lost to USC. And being undefeated doesn't gurantee a BCS bid either, every few years the MAC produces an undefeated team, even with a few wins over top 25 opponents, yet you never see a MAC school in a BCS game.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Well i guess I just don't get what anybody is comparing the pac-10 this year? Who have they played out of conference that the SEC and ACC ALSO played? I can only point out LSU and ASU that LSU barely edged out that win. And that was ASU's freshman QB's starting day. I can also bring up the stanford notre dame game where notre dame struggled against them.

and i can bring up the USC notre dame game where USC struggled against them.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
So I was looking at the BCS poll and I was wondering why Oregon (10-1) isn't in the top 5. USC and Texas are rightfully where they are, and Penn State has been pretty dominant. But so have the ducks. Their only loss is to #1 USC and they have a very quality win over Fresno State who could easily match up well with anyone in the nation. If you look at their pac-10 games they beat everyone pretty good and even won against Cal and WSU (both good teams despite their records) with their backup QB's.

I think writers try to undermine the Pac-10 efforts. LSU got some really lucky breaks against Arizona State with blocked kicks and stuff to come from behind late in the game and barely beat ASU whereas the ducks trounced them pretty well.

I'm not a huge Oregon fan but I kind of feel for them especially if they get scewed out of a BCS bid in favor of a 2 loss Big Ten school.

We got fvcked, end of story. Fvck BCS.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Originally posted by: hdeck
lol oregon is bad.

Wow STFU.

 

[conehead433]

Originally posted by: aswedc
Florida State should not be in a BCS game. What a stupid system.

FSU won their conference beating Miami, VT, and Boston College. Last I checked the ACC champ gets an automatic bid to a BCS bowl. So I guess it doesn't really matter what you or anyone else thinks. Pitt last year was a similar case.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
SO anyone? What could the ducks have done to get into a BCS game? Gone undefeated and watched some 1 loss team play Texas for the title?

win their conference, for starters. otherwise you're going to take a backseat to ND if ND is any good at all (which of course happened) and to someone else if that bowl thinks the fans will travel (the fiesta bowl seems to love the buckeyes). that debacle at the holiday bowl last year also didn't make anyone think that putting a pac 10 team other than USC in a bcs game is a good idea. if oregon blows this game to OU the pac 10 won't get two teams in the bcs for several years.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Blazin Trav

Originally posted by: hdeck
lol oregon is bad.

Wow STFU.

lawl

 

[conehead433]

Oregon can only blame themselves. It's their uniforms. I couldn't bear to watch them more than 5 minutes and neither could most of the country. Viewership= advertising dollars. Ducks= changing the channel.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Well i guess I just don't get what anybody is comparing the pac-10 this year? Who have they played out of conference that the SEC and ACC ALSO played? I can only point out LSU and ASU that LSU barely edged out that win. And that was ASU's freshman QB's starting day. I can also bring up the stanford notre dame game where notre dame struggled against them.

and i can bring up the USC notre dame game where USC struggled against them.

Exactly, they struggled...and still beat a top 10 team on the road, thats how good they really are...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: conehead433
Oregon can only blame themselves. It's their uniforms. I couldn't bear to watch them more than 5 minutes and neither could most of the country. Viewership= advertising dollars. Ducks= changing the channel.

that underarmor commercial where the ducks are hanging with the atlanta falcons until the last play of the game didn't help them out either

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Well i guess I just don't get what anybody is comparing the pac-10 this year? Who have they played out of conference that the SEC and ACC ALSO played? I can only point out LSU and ASU that LSU barely edged out that win. And that was ASU's freshman QB's starting day. I can also bring up the stanford notre dame game where notre dame struggled against them.

and i can bring up the USC notre dame game where USC struggled against them.

Exactly, they struggled...and still beat a top 10 team on the road, thats how good they really are...

a top 10 team whose top 10ness was just questioned by their struggling performance against stanford.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Yeah AFTER they already accepted a bowl bid and spent all their energy playing USC. PLUS Nevada is NOT a bad team.

You guys keep bringing up last years bowl results...yeah it wasn't very good for the pac-10 but the year before that.

HOLIDAY BOWL
Washington State 28 vs. Texas 20

INSIGHT BOWL
California 52 vs. Virginia Tech 49

LAS VEGAS BOWL
Oregon State 55 vs. New Mexico 14 (NM was good that year)

ROSE BOWL
USC 28 vs. Michigan 14

that's 4 out of 6 wins against Big-12, Big-10 and ACC. At least put the pac-10 on the SAME LEVEL. ANyone care to claim what the ducks COULD have done to have made it to a BCS bowl then? They lost to the team nobody can beat...and they beat everyone else...what does it take?

No ACC team played in any of the bowls you have listed.

Plus, who cares about then? It's totally irrelevant to now.

And please...." AFTER they already accepted a bowl bid and spent all their energy playing USC"...is just complete horseshlt.
You're telling me they spent all their precious energy and couldn't recover for a game a month later?
Bogus argument.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Well i guess I just don't get what anybody is comparing the pac-10 this year? Who have they played out of conference that the SEC and ACC ALSO played? I can only point out LSU and ASU that LSU barely edged out that win. And that was ASU's freshman QB's starting day. I can also bring up the stanford notre dame game where notre dame struggled against them.

and i can bring up the USC notre dame game where USC struggled against them.

Exactly, they struggled...and still beat a top 10 team on the road, thats how good they really are...

a top 10 team whose top 10ness was just questioned by their struggling performance against stanford.

So by that reasoning, since ND's BCS worth is questioned by them struggling vs. Stanford, I guess USC's worth should be questioned since they needed pure luck to beat ND?

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
SO anyone? What could the ducks have done to get into a BCS game? Gone undefeated and watched some 1 loss team play Texas for the title?

win their conference, for starters. otherwise you're going to take a backseat to ND if ND is any good at all (which of course happened) and to someone else if that bowl thinks the fans will travel (the fiesta bowl seems to love the buckeyes). that debacle at the holiday bowl last year also didn't make anyone think that putting a pac 10 team other than USC in a bcs game is a good idea. if oregon blows this game to OU the pac 10 won't get two teams in the bcs for several years.

not true, its all a business decision, Oregon may not travel well and Oregon/NotreDame would not be as attractive a match up as Notre Dame/OSU (in the eyes of decision makers)

if bowl results were important, Notre Dame (which has lost like 8-9 bolws wouldnt have got it), similarly Texas last year (after making a similar strong argument the year before only to loss to 3 loss Washington) wouldnt have got lucrative bowls

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: conehead433

Originally posted by: aswedc
Florida State should not be in a BCS game. What a stupid system.

FSU won their conference beating Miami, VT, and Boston College. Last I checked the ACC champ gets an automatic bid to a BCS bowl. So I guess it doesn't really matter what you or anyone else thinks. Pitt last year was a similar case.

Exactly.

As I said before, let some of these so-called "top teams" come on into ACC-land and see how they fare when every single team, every single week (except Dook) is capable of beating you.
There are no cupcakes (besides Dook) in the ACC.

That is why FSU is the ACC champ and has the record they do. They did well early, wrapped up their division, lost basically their whole offensive line and 2 running backs, and in turn, lost a few games, then got their line and backs in decent shape for VaTech.

The ACC teams simply beat up on each other throughout the season. 6-5, 7-4, 8-3, etc. in the ACC is simply harder to come by than the same record in the Pac 10.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: conehead433

Originally posted by: aswedc
Florida State should not be in a BCS game. What a stupid system.

FSU won their conference beating Miami, VT, and Boston College. Last I checked the ACC champ gets an automatic bid to a BCS bowl. So I guess it doesn't really matter what you or anyone else thinks. Pitt last year was a similar case.

Exactly.

As I said before, let some of these so-called "top teams" come on into ACC-land and see how they fare when every single team, every single week (except Dook) is capable of beating you.
There are no cupcakes (besides Dook) in the ACC.

That is why FSU is the ACC champ and has the record they do. They did well early, wrapped up their division, lost basically their whole offensive line and 2 running backs, and in turn, lost a few games, then got their line and backs in decent shape for VaTech.

The ACC teams simply beat up on each other throughout the season. 6-5, 7-4, 8-3, etc. in the ACC is simply harder to come by than the same record in the Pac 10.

if that is the case USC being much better than others in their conference is the resaon PAC 10 is considered weak? Pac 10 also has a lot of 7-4, 6-5, 5-6 teams.