Actually if you read Intel's comment regarding Paxville, they are not claiming to lead this one. Basically what they are saying is that Paxville will close the competitive gap 
I agree with dmens, its purpose is to slow market decline.... and what can you expect it is I think still using Lindenhurst platform. It is not even a wse investment since once bensley arrive, it will be totally different platform
I agree with dmens, its purpose is to slow market decline.... and what can you expect it is I think still using Lindenhurst platform. It is not even a wse investment since once bensley arrive, it will be totally different platformYou don't get out much I guess...80 of the top 100 corporations in the world are now powered by Opterons on their servers.
The fastest selling enterprise server today is the HP DL585 powered by 4 dualcore Opterons
The most powerful supercomputer today is the Red Storm at Sandia Labs...soon to be powered by 12000+ dualcore Opterons
The fastest growing blade server available today is the HP BL35p, powered by 2 dual core Opterons...
nuff said?
gsellis
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A little misleading. Powered by implies they only have. Those corps have Opteron servers. They also have Intel boxes still in place. They also have boxes that Intel and AMD had nothing to do with. And I don't think we have an AMD device in our house yet. We are top 200. Doesn't mean we don't like them, but HP has not been selling them for long.
Fair enough...but keep in mind that AMD has only been in the server market as a contender for less than 2 years. Going from 0% to ~17% worldwide server marketshare in under 2 years is unheard of, and implies a HUGE momentum!
BTW, one of those companies that has gone Opteron is BP, and the CEO of BP is on Intel's board...
And Sun's opteron boxes are faster than the HP and IBM competition.
If you're looking for anything less than 8-way, you should be looking at a server based on opteron, it is that simple at this point. Much better performance, lower power consumption, lower heat dissipation, smaller footprint, they win in every single area of importance.
Intel servers are just inefficient space heaters at this point in time.
If you're looking for anything less than 8-way, you should be looking at a server based on opteron, it is that simple at this point. Much better performance, lower power consumption, lower heat dissipation, smaller footprint, they win in every single area of importance.
Intel servers are just inefficient space heaters at this point in time.
The IBM x460 is easily competitive.
It's barely top ten today. It's also overbudget and late by years, probably would have been cancelled if it didn't mean the end of Cray.
Well as quite evident most of the ppl making the decisions have no brains...They have seemingly overlooked cost of cpus and systems, power consumption, heat and therefore cost related to cooling it...
Mark has told me stories about Kaiser, and it is evident these companies dont exactly talk to the IT ppl who need to run these systems....Most of them have been actively pushing lower cost, cooler, and less power opterons....Who knows maybe they wouldn't need 9 portable diesel generators running 24/7 (at a huge environmental impact) so that they dont bring down the local power grid...All xeons there....
Markfw
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Duvie, exactly !
DarkKnight69, Just because your management is as ill-informed as mine, doesn't make it right or a good choice. Things are changing around here. They are starting to look at lower power, but the Opteron servers are just now becoming a possibility. It will take time. And that Situation on power is our Corona data center. The city can't provide the power we need, to we have 8 semi trucks filled with generators running 24/7 to power the data center. I don't have an exact count of how many of those are Xeon servers, but probably in the range of 5-10,000 servers. Thin the power requirements would go down if they were all Opterons ?
DarkKnight69, Just because your management is as ill-informed as mine, doesn't make it right or a good choice. Things are changing around here. They are starting to look at lower power, but the Opteron servers are just now becoming a possibility. It will take time. And that Situation on power is our Corona data center. The city can't provide the power we need, to we have 8 semi trucks filled with generators running 24/7 to power the data center. I don't have an exact count of how many of those are Xeon servers, but probably in the range of 5-10,000 servers. Thin the power requirements would go down if they were all Opterons ?
Incredible!!, this is coming from THG
"In a nutshell, Opteron offers better computing and per-Watt performance at a roughly equivalent per-device price and it scales much better when moving from one to two or even four CPUs. AMD's performance lead is equally large when compared to Intel's new dual-core Xeon devices." But no benchies, intel is afraid.
"In a nutshell, Opteron offers better computing and per-Watt performance at a roughly equivalent per-device price and it scales much better when moving from one to two or even four CPUs. AMD's performance lead is equally large when compared to Intel's new dual-core Xeon devices." But no benchies, intel is afraid.
QFT!!!Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
GamePC sux@testing. Never trust a place that sells the suff to do benchies
Not saying they didn't get this one right, I haven't even looked yet, but in general their benchies rarely synch with most reputable sites.
Just look at their tests of Turion vs Pentium M in a desktop. Their results just don't add up
I'm waiting for AMD's answer to hyper-threading. Most people think it's crap, but I'd love to see how two dual-core xeons can do with a well designed multi-threaded app versus opterons...
This answers have already been placed out there...Read!!!! HT with the XE model of the 840 was still not good enough and showed some issues....It wont make much of a difference...
drifter106
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Just a quick thought...don't these people who are buying this type of hardware do any "background performance" research? I mean, AMD has had a pretty firm hold on performance for some time and you would think there numbers would significantly be higher by now as far as market share. Its pretty much a nobrainer as to what platform to utilize for their business...shouldn't we be seeing some significant gains by AMD or does Intel have them snookered?
Markfw
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Upper management goes along with advertizing. The Intel advertizing machine is not something to trifle with ! My management just has a stright rule, but that is starting to change. It takes a long time for the "big bearacracy" (spelling) to change.
To answer sucinctly (speeling?) , NO no research is done most of the time. At least not by big corporations.
They spec out whatever the product system requirements say they need from dell and go from there...so stupid. Same thing with this lineage II freeshard server I play on. They're talking about how their Dual Proc Xeon 3.4 is so l33t and can support so many clients when they could have gotten a Opeteron that would have done much better for cheaper....w/e.
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