Drunk driver runs over grandfather and a child

[Codewiz]

I love the black and white thinking here. I hate to break it to you guys but the guy down the street that has 3 beers is no more intoxicated than the guy who is driving with less than 2 hours of sleep. If he hits someone, it likely has very little to do with his "three" beers but it would be a DUI.

I am all for punishing the people who drive while they are really intoxicated. Zero tolerance really means zero thought. Not every situation is the same.

 

[ShawnD1]

Should be dead now.
If your liver is destroyed Isopropyl alcohol is lethal.

Isopropyl alcohol is surprisingly safe to drink. It's not good for you, but one can drink a significant amount before it becomes fatal. LD50 for humans is estimated around 250mL in an average size human adult. That doesn't sound like much, but it's lots. If you were drinking 40% concentrated rubbing alcohol, 250mL would be about 21 shot glasses. Drinking 21 shot glasses of tequila will kill you just as fast.

It has everything to do with the metabolism steps. You breath in oxygen, so it's fair to assume your body is oxidizing things. Without knowing anything about biology, the general rule of oxidation is to add oxygen atoms and remove hydrogen atoms from the molecule, and start with the carbon atom that is most positive because that's the side easiest to attack.

normal drinking alcohol
CH3-CH2-OH --> CH3-CH=O --> CH3-COOH --> further reactions
ethanol --> ethanal (acetylaldehyde) --> acetic acid (vinegar) --> further reactions
Acetylaldehyde is commonly found in food, and you already know that vinegar isn't poisonous. No problems here unless you drink lots in a short period of time.

wood alcohol (stuff that blinds you)
CH3-OH --> CH2=O --> H-COOH
methanol (fondue fuel) --> methanal (formaldehyde) --> methanoic acid (formic acid)
I don't know if methanol is bad for you, but formaldehyde definitely is. That's embalming fluid. Formic acid is an effective preservative, so it's probably a bad idea to have that inside your brain.

rubbing alcohol
CH3-CHOH-CH3 --> CH3-CO-CH3
2-propanol --> 2-propanone (acetone)
The alcohol itself is similar to ethanol, so that's not a big deal. You would think acetone is super dangerous because it's a harsh solvent used for stripping paint and nail polish, but it's really not. It's bad for you, but the body can deal with it.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I love the black and white thinking here. I hate to break it to you guys but the guy down the street that has 3 beers is no more intoxicated than the guy who is driving with less than 2 hours of sleep. If he hits someone, it likely has very little to do with his "three" beers but it would be a DUI.

I am all for punishing the people who drive while they are really intoxicated. Zero tolerance really means zero thought. Not every situation is the same.

So some drunk drivers should get let off and other punished? What a load of crap. If you're driving after 3 beers you're barely in control of a lethal weapon and you should suffer the consequences. DUIs should be locked up to get them off the road and there's no need for any gray area. If you're drunk you're behind bars, period.

 

[Rubycon]

The psycho is coming on a little strong in this post.

404 psycho not found...

Embalment with aqua regia was never mentioned. :biggrin:

Seriously this is a tragedy and best wishes go for the victims.
As for the driver, where's the peristaltic pumps?

 

[Codewiz]

So some drunk drivers should get let off and other punished? What a load of crap. If you're driving after 3 beers you're barely in control of a lethal weapon and you should suffer the consequences. DUIs should be locked up to get them off the road and there's no need for any gray area. If you're drunk you're behind bars, period.

So let me ask the obvious question. Define drunk. With zero gray area that can be determined scientifically.

 

[dabuddha]

So let me ask the obvious question. Define drunk. With zero gray area that can be determined scientifically.

BaC over some limit? .08?

 

[Codewiz]

BaC over some limit? .08?

So when people can pass every single sobriety test at .08 are they drunk?

Drunk - being in a temporary state in which one's physical and mental faculties are impaired by an excess of alcoholic drink;

If you can prove you aren't impaired then you aren't drunk. So your definition does not work.

 

[Skitzer]

I can't wait for the article that calls for gun turrets on top of school buses that shoot anyone that doesn't slow down when approaching said school bus.

This!!

 

[RadiclDreamer]

ya throw all the addicts and alcoholics into gas chambers!!
/sarcasm

atot doesnt understand addiction/alcoholism

I dont care if you want to drink yourself stupid, just stay off the roads when you do so. Claiming addiction is a cop out

 

[RadiclDreamer]

they don't know it is, you don't understand an alcoholic mind. how do you not know if he was in a blackout? ive known tons of alcoholics and they do totally dangerous stuff that they would NEVER EVER do when sober. and yes its a condition.

and im not saying he doesnt deserve serious jail time, he does...but everyone who says "just kill them" are taking it too far.

alcoholism is a DISEASE. fact. its science.

A disease with a cure in the form of a .45 bullet to the head

 

[RadiclDreamer]

So let me ask the obvious question. Define drunk. With zero gray area that can be determined scientifically.

Then lower it, .02 or even 0.01%

I dont care how low it is because as i said, I dont drive the same day ive drank. I may sure I am 100% stone sober before I will drive. This isnt hard, some people are just selfish and dont care about those around them.

 

[shortylickens]

I love the black and white thinking here. I hate to break it to you guys but the guy down the street that has 3 beers is no more intoxicated than the guy who is driving with less than 2 hours of sleep. If he hits someone, it likely has very little to do with his "three" beers but it would be a DUI.

I am all for punishing the people who drive while they are really intoxicated. Zero tolerance really means zero thought. Not every situation is the same.

People killing children while sleep deprived is not nearly as big a problem as people killing children after drinking. THATS why so many of us hate it.
Stop trying to defend drunk driving. You cant. There is no excuse for it. This is one of the few issues thats truly black and white.

 

[CRXican]

Then lower it, .02 or even 0.01%

I dont care how low it is because as i said, I dont drive the same day ive drank. I may sure I am 100% stone sober before I will drive. This isnt hard, some people are just selfish and dont care about those around them.

You're such a humanitarian, not driving on the same day, hilarious. These "grandpa got run over" stories are the smallest fraction of accidents.

I love posting this link/info in these threads: http://www.popcenter.org/problems/drunk_driving/

Perhaps the single most significant factor in explaining why people drive while impaired is that they believe that there is little risk that they will be caught by policeand statistically, they are correct. By some estimates, the average drunk driver will drive while impaired between 80 and 2000 times for every time he is apprehended, depending on the enforcement capacity of the local police. 28 In fact, most drivers believe they are more likely to be involved in a crash than they are to be stopped by police.29

Even the most committed police agencies and officers can stop or arrest only a very small percentage of the impaired drivers who are on the road at any one time probably less than one percent.

 

[Codewiz]

Then lower it, .02 or even 0.01%

I dont care how low it is because as i said, I dont drive the same day ive drank. I may sure I am 100% stone sober before I will drive. This isnt hard, some people are just selfish and dont care about those around them.

So you can't use mouthwash either. Good to know.

It has nothing to do with selfish people. There are horrible monsters that go out and drink 10 beers and drive. Those people need to be in jail. However, I do not support the mob mentality of going after people who had 2 beers and decided to drive.

Your position is not supported by logic, rational thought, or science.