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DrPizza's project: turn garage into ... apartment

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Everybody just REMOVE the chip from your shoulder when coming into this thread. Observe some craftsmanship and father/son bonding, and be happy for DrPizza for having the gusto to accomplish something like this. Plenty of other threads to get all judgmental on.

DrPizza did you make yourself some sort of schedule for the progress of this work? If so, do you have an expected completion date?
 
slag said:
Very true. It saves the kid a ton of money, but at that age, you are an adult and a financial burden on your folks. Grow up and GTFO.
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but living on their own is going to be hard on them...

I like how so many above think it's only recently people had to struggle a bit going to college and then finding a job. If anything with all the guaranteed scholarships and bright future savings plans (for parents that prepare), going to college is easy.

It's only hard for these kids to find jobs because they don't excel at college. They come out with just 120 hours of class time, nothing extra and a mediocre GPA at best.
 
Glad to hear you don't need all kinds of inspections. Hope the project continues to go well; it's looking great so far. Down the road, this will add value to your property. You'll have another "house" on your property.
 
How soon people forget that it use to be the norm for sons to live with their parents (and grandparents) until the elders died and that daughters would do the same unless/until they married into someone else's family.

Moving out on your own is a fairly recent development (20th century), at least in the U.S.

And since when has helping your hardworking (i.e. not lazy leaching) children been considered a bad thing?

MotionMan
 
To all those who feel the need to post "I'm so awesome because I moved out at 18" - nobody cares.

It's only hard for these kids to find jobs because they don't excel at college. They come out with just 120 hours of class time, nothing extra and a mediocre GPA at best.
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To be fair, before the 2008-2009 collapse, a mediocre GPA had you a job out of college. But that's not an excuse. Now things are different.
 
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MotionMan said:
How soon people forget that it use to be the norm for sons to live with their parents (and grandparents) until the elders died and that daughters would do the same unless/until they married into someone else's family.

Moving out on your own is a fairly recent development (20th century), at least in the U.S.

And since when has helping your hardworking (i.e. not lazy leaching) children been considered a bad thing?

MotionMan
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The only problem is kids are getting married 10-12 years later than they were just a few generations ago.

If my dad was a 24 year old living with his parents, he would be like a 35 year old living with his parents today.
 
Train said:
The only problem is kids are getting married 10-12 years later than they were just a few generations ago.

If my dad was a 24 year old living with his parents, he would be like a 35 year old living with his parents today.
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I agree. However, in this thread we are mostly talking about 18-24 year olds living at home. I agree that, once you hit your 30's you probably need to strike out on your own.

That being said, I do not see a problem with a hardworking adult child living with his or her parents for a few years so as to get a little head-start on their adult lives.

MotionMan
 
Value added to the property doesn't really matter that much though - our intention isn't to move out; that's really not in the plans until after retiring - if then. Since I'm a teacher, it's very difficult to move from school to school without a big drop in pay. In fact, these days, it's probably about impossible in NY given the state budget cuts to education. Lots of schools are now looking at eliminating various programs.

As far as Alky's "scholarships" - I see the scholarships that kids get these days - I see just about all of them for our school's students. The number and value of the scholarships isn't going up at the same rate as tuition. In fact, it seems the number of scholarships is actually declining slightly.

DrPizza did you make yourself some sort of schedule for the progress of this work? If so, do you have an expected completion date?
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Not much of a schedule, because there's the possibility that I can't do the bathroom until spring. Cutting through the concrete then digging down to the line to the septic tank is going to be the toughest part of the job. I'm not exactly sure where the line is - I know within about 3 feet. If it's too far away from the slab of the garage, then I'm not messing with it when the temperature outside is in the single digits. I don't need a frozen drain line. Likewise, some of the stuff is indirectly dependent upon weather - I can't transport sheets of drywall longer than 8 feet when the roads are wet or snowy, and I'd like to get 12 foot sheet for the bedroom and bathroom ceilings (to eliminate butt joints which I suck at finishing.)

Otherwise, I'm at the point where I'm starting to take it easy out there. I hope to have the kitchen area painted & cabinets painted and installed by Saturday night.
 
MotionMan said:
I agree. However, in this thread we are mostly talking about 18-24 year olds living at home. I agree that, once you hit your 30's you probably need to strike out on your own.

That being said, I do not see a problem with a hardworking adult child living with his or her parents for a few years so as to get a little head-start on their adult lives.

MotionMan
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Agreed, If it were my kid, and he was doing something with his life, has his shit together, etc... hell yeah he cn live in my garage for a few years.

If he was leeching... he'd get some tough love.
 
GrumpyMan said:
I moved out when I was 1 year old. Didn't make it far, mom pulled me back into the house.....
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Did you try again at 2? 3? How long did you continue to leech?


DrPizza said:
Not much of a schedule, because there's the possibility that I can't do the bathroom until spring. Cutting through the concrete then digging down to the line to the septic tank is going to be the toughest part of the job. I'm not exactly sure where the line is - I know within about 3 feet. If it's too far away from the slab of the garage, then I'm not messing with it when the temperature outside is in the single digits. I don't need a frozen drain line. Likewise, some of the stuff is indirectly dependent upon weather - I can't transport sheets of drywall longer than 8 feet when the roads are wet or snowy, and I'd like to get 12 foot sheet for the bedroom and bathroom ceilings (to eliminate butt joints which I suck at finishing.)

Otherwise, I'm at the point where I'm starting to take it easy out there. I hope to have the kitchen area painted & cabinets painted and installed by Saturday night.
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Ah, yea would be a bad time of the year to start doing any of that work.

I see you have the stove for heating, but I didn't notice an outlet below or near the one window for a window a/c unit. What's the plan for cooling?
 
Since your parents all helped you into your mid twenties and you all obviously benefited from it did you guys send them a check for the 20-25k you saved off their backs?
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Since your parents all helped you into your mid twenties and you all obviously benefited from it did you guys send them a check for the 20-25k you saved off their backs?
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I know you had a screwed up childhood, but even you have to know better.

Do you expect children reimburse their parents for all the diapers and baby food their parents paid for? How about if the parents paid for college?

Unlike you, I do not look at my relationship with my parents or my kids as business transactions.

MotionMan
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Quote: Originally Posted by GrumpyMan View Post I moved out when I was 1 year old. Didn't make it far, mom pulled me back into the house..... Did you try again at 2? 3? How long did you continue to leech?
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Well I just continued to leech, just couldn't give up that titty, they were stronger than I was..........
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Since your parents all helped you into your mid twenties and you all obviously benefited from it did you guys send them a check for the 20-25k you saved off their backs?
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Your an idiot.

What about in the event that they become too old/weak to take care of themselves properly and you help them pay for nicer care than they could otherwise afford with their retirement savings? Or if you decide to take them in to your own house rent free and return the favor?

Are you being intentionally dense about the matter or are you incapable of seeing the good that could come from a parent helping out a child.
 
MotionMan said:
I know you had a screwed up childhood, but even you have to know better.

Do you expect children reimburse their parents for all the diapers and baby food their parents paid for? How about if the parents paid for college?

Unlike you, I do not look at my relationship with my parents or my kids as business transactions.

MotionMan
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Sure that applies when your 10. When you become an adult you are your own responsibility. Your parents are getting old and instead of putting money away for retirement they are supporting a grown man. Why would it be a business transaction to expect the child that leaches off their aging parents help once he's reached financial stability?
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Sure that applies when your 10. When you become an adult you are your own responsibility. Your parents are getting old and instead of putting money away for retirement they are supporting a grown man. Why would it be a business transaction to expect the child that leaches off their aging parents help once he's reached financial stability?
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It doesn't matter if you are 10 or 50. It's the parent's decision to provide anything for you at any age. They could have also not had a kid and any leeches and saved EVEN MORE for retirement.
 
MotionMan said:
How soon people forget that it use to be the norm for sons to live with their parents (and grandparents) until the elders died and that daughters would do the same unless/until they married into someone else's family.

Moving out on your own is a fairly recent development (20th century), at least in the U.S.

And since when has helping your hardworking (i.e. not lazy leaching) children been considered a bad thing?

MotionMan
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Yeah, let's go back 100+ years and speak of foreign countries.

With girls this was normal, it was never normal with any MEN that were more than partially educated. Men went out and struck their claims on the planet.

It's a bad thing because it's creating the same problem the 40-50's did when wives all started working. While not affecting housing prices since most pay nothing towards them, it's creating inflation in luxury items.

For every kid that got to stay home until 30 that did the right thing and saved a nice nest egg, there are probably 100-1000 others that had nothing to show for the 10+ years of living supported.
 
momeNt said:
Ah, yea would be a bad time of the year to start doing any of that work.

I see you have the stove for heating, but I didn't notice an outlet below or near the one window for a window a/c unit. What's the plan for cooling?
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That window opens to our patio - I wouldn't want the noise there. It's NY - relatively few people have air conditioning. But, look again, there's an outlet 6" to the right of the window. I had thought about that & looked at our window AC unit in the house - cord is on the right side. (I wonder if that's a norm.)
 
DrPizza said:
That window opens to our patio - I wouldn't want the noise there. It's NY - relatively few people have air conditioning. But, look again, there's an outlet 6" to the right of the window. I had thought about that & looked at our window AC unit in the house - cord is on the right side. (I wonder if that's a norm.)
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Oh okay I see it now.
 
alkemyst said:
Yeah, let's go back 100+ years and speak of foreign countries.

With girls this was normal, it was never normal with any MEN that were more than partially educated. Men went out and struck their claims on the planet.

It's a bad thing because it's creating the same problem the 40-50's did when wives all started working. While not affecting housing prices since most pay nothing towards them, it's creating inflation in luxury items.

For every kid that got to stay home until 30 that did the right thing and saved a nice nest egg, there are probably 100-1000 others that had nothing to show for the 10+ years of living supported.
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Well they have all those luxury items to show for it wouldn't they?
 
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