I just wish German engineering didn't sacrifice cost and quality. I don't like seeing reports of fvcked up VW, Audi's and Porsche at low mileage. Although, much much much higher for VW than Porsche or Audi. For some odd reason they really go the extra mile with Audi. I like BMW a lot as well, but way too many people have BMW. I hate cars that everyone has.
I just wish German engineering didn't sacrifice cost and quality. I don't like seeing reports of fvcked up VW, Audi's and Porsche at low mileage. Although, much much much higher for VW than Porsche or Audi. For some odd reason they really go the extra mile with Audi. I like BMW a lot as well, but way too many people have BMW. I hate cars that everyone has.
completely agree with the bmw view...every soccer mom drives one and the fact that they're producing cars in china just sacks their image.....kinda the same with volkswagen, everyone has one of those too...if I was buying a sedan I'd most likely buy an audi...
Originally posted by: CraigRT
dude it was probably stock.
them bastards sound awesome, As-is.
nah it was modded. I saw it as it drove by after, definately modded to hell and back. Had an aftermarket loud BOV, clear sidemarkers, subtle bodykit, HIDs, and made a mean sound.
Oh btw, I should mention that I saw an STi at a auto-x once and it was AWESOME. They guy eventually lost control and did a pretty nice 4-wheel-drift.
Btw congrats on buying the car.
kinda OT, but those Japanese guys were Toyota engineers who taught Porsche about their Toyota Production System.
VW is basically heading the way of Porsche(if not worse), and is going to need serious help in revamping their production lines, and their QC. Porsche made a smart move, so now I'm waiting for VW/Audi to follow suit.
I think VW's QC problems are not so much due to their engineering design, but their supplier's fault. If they [VW] had a good relationship with their supplier then this may not have occured. But if you keep bidding wars every 3 years or so, the suppliers don't feel any loyalty to you and won't put in the effort to create quality parts. This occurs at GM too [or did occure in the 90s..dunno about now], and was one of the reasons they had component failures. They really should follow the way the Japanese keep their relationships with their suppliers; they are so close that the suppliers feel obligated to produce quality parts for them.
But from what I have read [I have no personal experience], VW should improve their dealership experience as well.
Btw, speaking of bad VWs...my dad's co-worker came to the parking lot after work to find her 2001 Jetta had caught on fire. Pretty sad. And there are stories on the Vortex of the seat heaters burning the seats.
I'm sure Toyota could help them out, but do you think VW would put their ego on the side for that to happen? Remember they are selling $90k cars now....they would never let Toyota help them out. And on the flip side, it could hurt them too.
Mercedes's quality dropped once their hired Lexus engineers to help them with the S-class. Look at the steaming pile of crap that it is now.
it goes with the fact that you can't really learn to be something your not....how many people accomplish something equal or greater following in the footsteps of someone else? you have to establish your own foothold and be a leader to succeed.....in other words you will never get lexus reliability by copying lexus...you have to find your own path....
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Apology accepted.
I also don't mean to take anything away from Porsche by the statements I've made. Porsches are awesome cars and I would love to own one some day.
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That's kind of why I chose the WRX-STi. It is a limited production car and you don't see them every day.
I did some checking and the WRX-STi matches the new BMW M3 (E46) almost to the 10th of a second and MPH in all performance figures with the exception of trap speed in the 1/4 mile (the BMW is 2 MPH faster even though they record the same time to get there). Braking distance is exactly the same as is speed through the slalom. I'm pretty sure the M3 bested the Porsche 911 in all these tests and I know for a fact that it bested the Boxster S.
My job is sitting in an office in front of a computer all day. I don't really care about "image". I only really care about being a good father and husband. Those are the most important things to me.
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Oh come on, have you SEEN a BMW m3 on the road? They inspire drooling. They're dream machines! Those chrome vents, the low slung stance... I hate that exhuast note though, it sounds like a damn motorcycle\ricer.
It's impressive that the Subaru can keep up with it, just like the 911... But when it comes down to it, the m3 is an all around package. That's why it costs more.
It's impressive that the Subaru can keep up with it, just like the 911... But when it comes down to it, the m3 is an all around package. That's why it costs more.
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Agreed, it is a drool machine. I couldn't swing the payments on the M3 though.
I'm just impressed that a $30k Subaru can hang with the M3 for performance. That is impressive!
I'm drooling over the STi. I can't wait to pick it up today!
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DAMNIT to FVCK this sh!t pisses me off. We've been over this before.
Whoooo big deal the STi beats a 911. A Corvette beats an NSX...etc..etc..
Who gives a rats ass if a 30k car is faster than a more expensive car if it isn't in the same "class"?
To say the porsche has lost something is fvcking retarded and you know it. Besides that, have fun with your car.
P.S - I don't like the spoiler either.
Whoooo big deal the STi beats a 911. A Corvette beats an NSX...etc..etc..
Who gives a rats ass if a 30k car is faster than a more expensive car if it isn't in the same "class"?
To say the porsche has lost something is fvcking retarded and you know it. Besides that, have fun with your car.
P.S - I don't like the spoiler either.
Actually, it is a big deal. Sure, it doesn't mean EVERYTHING, but (obviously) no one is claiming that. However, it is surprising that a 4-door vehicle of this price can beat a porsche.
Porsches have long been known for their performance, long before they started improving their interior, fit & finish, etc. Unless you're a complete poser, performance is one of the reasons that makes porsche vehicles so attractive.
The 911 line is really their bread & butter car, with their longest history. They're constantly changing the line, and improving on the performance. Just take a look at the GT3, and the upcoming Turbo S. They're clearly gunning after Ferrari. Performance for less.
Chevy has done the same thing with their Corvette. Their claim to fame is performance. They've already been hinting that the C6 Z06 will be unmatched by any domestic product, not the Viper, not the Ford GT, nothing.
Performance is a rather large part of a sports car's overall appeal, even if for some, it's merely perception. If more vehicles start outperforming the 911 at less than 1/2 of the cost, Porsche AG will give a rats ass.
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Excellent choice. That's exactly what I'd get if I traded in my 03 WRX on an 05 STi.Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, I bought a brand spanking new stock one. 6.6 miles on it!
Crystal Silver Metallic with silver wheels. I pick it up tomorrow. Can't wait!!!
Congrats!
You got that right, performance is part of the appeal. Just because a manufacturer tosses a high output turbocharged engine on an awd platform, doesn't mean anything to me. There are so many other things to truer sports cars that make them better than a souped up little sedan.
I drive a German sports coupe and so does my roommate. Neither one of us cares that a WRX is cheaper and faster than our cars. I don't think most Porsche buyers care either. You're talking about two different cars marketed towards two entirely different groups of people. If it makes someone feel special that for 30k they can leave cars two to three times more expensive in the dust, then more power to them.
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True true...
BTW-I felt the same way about Porsche when the latest M3 came out and beat the 911 also. I do think Porsche has lost something. When a 4 door sedan can beat an icon like the 911 something ain't right in Deutschland.
My .02
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Yeah, and the STi has all of those things with the exception of leather seats, the expensive stereo and the high price tag.
That's fine that neither of you care. However, you're missing the point. I was talking about performance. Sure, plenty of people buy the Boxter because it's "cute", or the M3 because of the name, looks, etc. If that's what floats your boat, hey, more power to you. However, price/performance ratio will always be one of the more important benchmarks for a good sports car.
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