Bateluer
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2001
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...videos-or-display-photos-taken-on-the-device/
That stinks, why Moto trying everything they can to cripple the most powerful Android device out there?
That stinks, why Moto trying everything they can to cripple the most powerful Android device out there?
Lumathix
Golden Member
- Mar 16, 2004
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Well I went to my local VZW store and they refused to honor the early upgrade offer. So I walked outside, called *611 and ordered one with overnight shipping. I got to skip the rebate doing it this way, too bad I have to wait an extra day.Tomorrow I'll take my X into that store and flaunt it to the woman who said I couldn't upgrade early when I go to buy a case.
Bolded part = dick move.
Very pleased with the X so far. It really is like a new class of phone. It is probably the least glitchy/most solid launch smartphone I've ever seen.
*The battery life on it blows away what my Nexus One and Droid Incredible had. I would say at the very least, 50% longer lasting than the Nexus One with heavy usage. It has to be the new 45nm processor.
*The build quality is excellent, it feels like an extremely solid device that could definitely take some punishment. Definitely the highest quality manufacturing of the three phones.
*It gets better reception than my Incredible. I get -90dbm on the X in some places that I had -100 on the Incredible. Call quality is also the best of any cell phone I've ever used. Everyone sounds crystal clear so far.
*Takes better pictures and video than the Incredible did
*The stock keyboard on it is hands down the best touch type keyboard available for Android I believe. It's ridiculous how much faster I can type on this. It also comes with Swype as well.
*After using OLED for over 6 months straight, I did notice the issues with LCD right away when I first got it. Response time is slower, was especially noticeable in games that had rapid animations. Viewing angles once again came into play. It bothered me for about a day but now I don't really notice any of it. It does a little bit better in sunlight than my Nexus or Incredible did, but not some world changing difference like a lot of people made it out to be.
*The Droid X's UI is much closer to vanilla Android than HTC Sense is. I have a love/hate relationship with Sense, I prefer vanilla if given the choice. For the most part with a couple minor exceptions, if you disable all of the Motorola widgets, this will give you a Vanilla Android experience with one minor flaw: The screen switching and the app drawer on this phone are somewhat choppy, more so than the Nexus or Incredible. What is especially odd is certain animations are smoother than HTC Sense or Vanilla Android while some are more choppy. This is probably the one flaw of the phone. Installing something like Launcher Pro Beta completely and totally fixes the issue however. I imagine Motorola will smooth things out in time.
*Apps and games launch and run extremely fast, as expected.
*After using it for a couple days, I've decided that all of the physical buttons don't bother me. They have pretty good action and give no indication that they might wear out anytime soon. All of the buttons around the phone feel great. I really like having a dedicated camera button.
*The speaker on it is louder than the Nexus speaker but not as loud as the Incredible speaker.
*The phone's 8GB of internal storage is exclusively for apps. You have to use a micro SD card(it comes with a 16GB card) for media and stuff like that. I prefer it this way. The Nexus One had ~200MB app storage, the Incredible had ~700, and this right now with a ton of apps installed has 6.2GB left for app storage.
*The battery life on it blows away what my Nexus One and Droid Incredible had. I would say at the very least, 50% longer lasting than the Nexus One with heavy usage. It has to be the new 45nm processor.
*The build quality is excellent, it feels like an extremely solid device that could definitely take some punishment. Definitely the highest quality manufacturing of the three phones.
*It gets better reception than my Incredible. I get -90dbm on the X in some places that I had -100 on the Incredible. Call quality is also the best of any cell phone I've ever used. Everyone sounds crystal clear so far.
*Takes better pictures and video than the Incredible did
*The stock keyboard on it is hands down the best touch type keyboard available for Android I believe. It's ridiculous how much faster I can type on this. It also comes with Swype as well.
*After using OLED for over 6 months straight, I did notice the issues with LCD right away when I first got it. Response time is slower, was especially noticeable in games that had rapid animations. Viewing angles once again came into play. It bothered me for about a day but now I don't really notice any of it. It does a little bit better in sunlight than my Nexus or Incredible did, but not some world changing difference like a lot of people made it out to be.
*The Droid X's UI is much closer to vanilla Android than HTC Sense is. I have a love/hate relationship with Sense, I prefer vanilla if given the choice. For the most part with a couple minor exceptions, if you disable all of the Motorola widgets, this will give you a Vanilla Android experience with one minor flaw: The screen switching and the app drawer on this phone are somewhat choppy, more so than the Nexus or Incredible. What is especially odd is certain animations are smoother than HTC Sense or Vanilla Android while some are more choppy. This is probably the one flaw of the phone. Installing something like Launcher Pro Beta completely and totally fixes the issue however. I imagine Motorola will smooth things out in time.
*Apps and games launch and run extremely fast, as expected.
*After using it for a couple days, I've decided that all of the physical buttons don't bother me. They have pretty good action and give no indication that they might wear out anytime soon. All of the buttons around the phone feel great. I really like having a dedicated camera button.
*The speaker on it is louder than the Nexus speaker but not as loud as the Incredible speaker.
*The phone's 8GB of internal storage is exclusively for apps. You have to use a micro SD card(it comes with a 16GB card) for media and stuff like that. I prefer it this way. The Nexus One had ~200MB app storage, the Incredible had ~700, and this right now with a ton of apps installed has 6.2GB left for app storage.
New software update coming out for the X on the 19th.
http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/124977-droid-x-software-update.html
http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/124977-droid-x-software-update.html
Pliablemoose
Lifer
- Oct 11, 1999
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LOL, I sort of hate my HD2, not a big fan of the Opera browser, Windows Mobile 6.5 is a kludge compared to iOS and Android, and battery life ain't that great, but I love the 4.3" screen...
I wish I'd hear something about the Dell Streak being available on TMobile soon...
Two days of usage:
This phone is awesome. Much better than the EVO I used for a month.
Build quality, battery life, and general feel are all great. I've installed launcher pro and it just FLIES. So damn smooth. Even in the 3D apps listing, which on both the Nexus One and EVO was choppy. No 30fps slowness or touch input lag like on the EVO. The overall OS feel is great. Really, if you have the phone try Launcher Pro. I don't know if it removes all of the bloat or something but the difference is night and day. Plus you can customize your homescreen really nicely too.
I don't like all of the bloatware though. If you put advanced task killer to show everything running, there's a ton of motorola crap running.
One thing I noticed is that, unlike the EVO, when you go to manage application it doesn't list the Motorola and Verizon apps there. On the EVO you'd see all the sense apps (but you couldn't uninstall any of them). It's pretty damn locked down. I don't even want to know how badass it'd be with some custom roms.
I've found that the downloads on Verizon take a bit longer to startup and are a bit slower than Sprint. Reception is about the same on both. I'd essentially be paying the same price on both networks ($70/mo), but Verizon only gives me 8% discount while Sprint would be 23%. It's a tossup there but the phone is fantastic.
This phone is awesome. Much better than the EVO I used for a month.
Build quality, battery life, and general feel are all great. I've installed launcher pro and it just FLIES. So damn smooth. Even in the 3D apps listing, which on both the Nexus One and EVO was choppy. No 30fps slowness or touch input lag like on the EVO. The overall OS feel is great. Really, if you have the phone try Launcher Pro. I don't know if it removes all of the bloat or something but the difference is night and day. Plus you can customize your homescreen really nicely too.
I don't like all of the bloatware though. If you put advanced task killer to show everything running, there's a ton of motorola crap running.
One thing I noticed is that, unlike the EVO, when you go to manage application it doesn't list the Motorola and Verizon apps there. On the EVO you'd see all the sense apps (but you couldn't uninstall any of them). It's pretty damn locked down. I don't even want to know how badass it'd be with some custom roms.
I've found that the downloads on Verizon take a bit longer to startup and are a bit slower than Sprint. Reception is about the same on both. I'd essentially be paying the same price on both networks ($70/mo), but Verizon only gives me 8% discount while Sprint would be 23%. It's a tossup there but the phone is fantastic.
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exdeath
Lifer
- Jan 29, 2004
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Made a h264 1 GB rip of Avatar to put on the X.
Used phone all day, mostly internet, both wifi and 3g, and resisted the urge to put it on a charger all day. Start of day around 8 am. Came home around 5pm, battery at 50%. Was still able to play nearly all of the movie, phone shut off with 10 minutes left.
At 100%, seems to be enough to watch a 3 hour movie on a plane ride, and still have 50% for calls and GPS on route to the hotel, etc, it should be pretty good even without the car dock. I also didn't put it in plane mode or disable any radios while the movie was playing. Don't know how much that would help considering the screen is like 90%+ of the power consumption.
Used phone all day, mostly internet, both wifi and 3g, and resisted the urge to put it on a charger all day. Start of day around 8 am. Came home around 5pm, battery at 50%. Was still able to play nearly all of the movie, phone shut off with 10 minutes left.
At 100%, seems to be enough to watch a 3 hour movie on a plane ride, and still have 50% for calls and GPS on route to the hotel, etc, it should be pretty good even without the car dock. I also didn't put it in plane mode or disable any radios while the movie was playing. Don't know how much that would help considering the screen is like 90%+ of the power consumption.
The Milestone sold plenty... especially when the market is not limited to just 80 million VZW users. The UK Milestone sales were pretty similar to the DROID sales and that's just the UK. It's sold in many other countries too. Just the sheer number of AT&T users who use the Telus Mobility version is pretty interesting. I always thought I was screwed for buying the Telus one but it seems there's enough users on forums I can find that use this device as well. Root is not too difficult to achieve and I won't be surprised when the Droid X is rooted.
Cracking the bootloader security is another thing. It took a while for the untethered JB to come out with a massive community like the iPhone's... I've followed Milestone developers, and it's pretty tricky.
BTW I'm using the Milestone as an example as it is a Moto phone that's uncracked still. There's other Android phones out there with signed bootloaders too. They're also next to impossible to crack... I wouldn't be surprised if it's one day done but realize it's not some easy task. People shouldn't come in thinking that this phone will be like the DROID was.
Edit: More reading on XDA tells me it's the same scheme as the Milestone.
http://and-developers.com/motorola_milestone - We've already tried stuff that's resulted in lots of bricking, but this should give you a 7 months head start hopefully
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Bateluer
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2001
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Can the Task Killer kill the bloat?
The Milestone sold plenty... especially when the market is not limited to just 80 million VZW users. The UK Milestone sales were pretty similar to the DROID sales and that's just the UK. It's sold in many other countries too. Just the sheer number of AT&T users who use the Telus Mobility version is pretty interesting. I always thought I was screwed for buying the Telus one but it seems there's enough users on forums I can find that use this device as well. Root is not too difficult to achieve and I won't be surprised when the Droid X is rooted.
Cracking the bootloader security is another thing. It took a while for the untethered JB to come out with a massive community like the iPhone's... I've followed Milestone developers, and it's pretty tricky.
BTW I'm using the Milestone as an example as it is a Moto phone that's uncracked still. There's other Android phones out there with signed bootloaders too. They're also next to impossible to crack... I wouldn't be surprised if it's one day done but realize it's not some easy task. People shouldn't come in thinking that this phone will be like the DROID was.
Edit: More reading on XDA tells me it's the same scheme as the Milestone.
http://and-developers.com/motorola_milestone - We've already tried stuff that's resulted in lots of bricking, but this should give you a 7 months head start hopefully
You're very right about the Milestone's difficulties, but its sales were fair below the Droid's numbers. Not only did it lack Verizon's massive ad campaign, its been nearly totally ignored by Motorola as far as updates go. Bugs that were fixed in the Droid's 2.0.1 and 2.1 updates still exist on the Milestone.
The more phones with encrypted boot loaders just mean the more effort will go into cracking them. The Milestone wasn't a very popular phone, but with the X and Droid 2 coming you can bet there will be a lot of attention put on cracking it.
Lol I was mostly kidding. I did go back there to get a case but 1) she wasn't there and 2) if she had been, I wouldn't have said/done anything.
Agreed. I played with my dads friends Evo for a while and it felt a LOT slower and for some reason, I didn't like the screen as much. I'm also not a huge fan of Sense. It looks pretty but I don't like the messenger or music player or anything. I like how Motos additions are fairly "light". Such as the media player being practically stock Android but with "cover flow", a visualization thing, and a lockscreen widget.
Agreed, I installed LaucherPro immediately and it works great. That being said, LauncherPro is amazing and even made my POS Eris feel kinda fast LOL but the phone is super fast even without LP.
Yeah I hate when theres lots of extra stuff running but at the same time, they somehow manage to have all that crap running and still pull amazing battery life. So I'm happy overall.
OMG yes. I can't wait until (if
) this thing gets rooted and then a custom recovery can be added. Can't wait to flash all kinds of goodies to it.Wow...
You guys are really making me want to switch to Verizon sooner than I want. I currently have TMO with the N1 but their signal inside newer buildings is killing me.
I was hoping to hold off until the holiday season and see if Verizon will release an LTE Android phone, but you guys are making it really hard for me to resist!
You guys are really making me want to switch to Verizon sooner than I want. I currently have TMO with the N1 but their signal inside newer buildings is killing me.
I was hoping to hold off until the holiday season and see if Verizon will release an LTE Android phone, but you guys are making it really hard for me to resist!
I get to wait till verizon wireless ships mine out. In the mean time during lunch breaks I hit the verizon store to play with the phone. learn the ins and out.
I was wondering is there any apps or widgets where I can set a toggle switch or something that says "home"
where it disables the data and turns on wifi. and obviously "away" would be wifi off and data on.
I was wondering is there any apps or widgets where I can set a toggle switch or something that says "home"
where it disables the data and turns on wifi. and obviously "away" would be wifi off and data on.
The task killer kills all of the bloat except two, they seem to immediately restart: com.motorola.android.fota and com.motorola.blur.service.blur.
thescreensavers
Diamond Member
- Aug 3, 2005
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DO not use ATK, or any KILL all tasks.
Android 2.1 handles the apps, Killing cached programs ( most of the bloatware) will cause your phone to work again to restore the catched apps.
Read http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...-not-worry-about-apps-running-background.html
Post #21
If you want to kill a single task which is "Active" and thats Using CPU cycles download an app called System Panel Lite, its free and will show you which apps are active and which are cached.
Check it out.
We just need to wait until We root the phone then we can remove all of the bloat.
Android 2.1 handles the apps, Killing cached programs ( most of the bloatware) will cause your phone to work again to restore the catched apps.
Read http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...-not-worry-about-apps-running-background.html
Post #21
If you want to kill a single task which is "Active" and thats Using CPU cycles download an app called System Panel Lite, its free and will show you which apps are active and which are cached.
Check it out.
We just need to wait until We root the phone then we can remove all of the bloat.
my only complaint about this phone so far, and it is a minor quibble, is, i really did get used to having the virtual touch screen buttons and just sliding my finger over them. i keep finding myself sliding my fingers over these real buttons at the bottom and being surprised when it doesn't take me to the home screen. and the button when i do press it, has surprisingly long travel. still getting used to that. other than that. great phone.
What specific bugs are you talking about are ignored on the Milestone? I have a Telus Milestone and if you're referring to the alarm bugs they're gone in the Telus version as the release came later. Euro Milestones got 2.1 BEFORE the Motorola Droid did. That's why there was that bug. The Telus and DROID which got the 2.1 updates later got those bugs fixed.
But no matter, Motorola already released a 2.1 update2 for Euro Milestones and it's addressed most of the 2.1 issues.
BTW, do you know of the Milestone's ad campaigns? Verizon is the carrier that operates the DROID. The Milestone is practically nonexistent in the US. It's not even sold in the US. If it is, they're import models. Obviously there's 0 advertisement for a product that "does not exist in the US." Heck, I can't even get support on my Milestone through the Motorola USA hotline. The CSRs don't even know what I'm talking about. I've seen Milestone ads in Europe. To say that they aren't marketed a lot is probably not true. I don't have sales figures on the DROID, but we do know it passed 1 million on day 74. UK Milestone sales were projected to break 1 million by Christmas '09. This is the UK, and considering they did an online only retail model like the Nexus One, that's quite impressive. Remember that the Milestone came out later in other countries like Thailand, India, and Canada. But if you add up the populations covered by the Milestone, the market is already far larger than the Verizon market. Just because this phone is unheard of in the US doesn't mean it doesn't sell. We all know the 150k or 200k sales figure of the N1 that's touted around. It's the phone that everyone still talks about here. I wouldn't be surprised if the HTC Desire which is sold elsewhere bundled with Sense is outselling the N1.... but of course nobody cares in the US.
I'm not here to try to say that this is a Milestone vs DROID war or anything. I'm merely pointing out that the locked bootloader is nothing new. We've seen this, and from the Milestone side, we've been hitting it with everything we've got. I'm not trying to be pessimistic either, but the reality of the thing is it's extremely hard to break. For DROID X users thinking this is gonna be a 3 day trick like they broke into other devices would be false hope, but to say the Milestone hasn't had a significant team working behind it is a misstatement. There's a lot of Motorola modding forums out there and Modaco and Android Life which has worked countless hours at the Milestone. I truly do hope that for both the DROID X and Milestone and future Motorola phones like the XT720 that this thing can be defeated.
That's some interesting software. I kinda disagree about ATK use though. I think you can use it to kill apps you KNOW are eating CPU cycles, but to have it auto kill is... overkill. Just like you shouldn't need to use Windows Task Manager to auto kill stuff, but you do use it from time to time (hopefully rarely) to kill rogue apps. So some people on DroidForums just spam that link all day long. They spam it if people ask what a good task killer is, and I think they're so focused on the fact that Android has a good memory management system they forget that bugs do occur and sometimes you DO need to kill tasks especially when Android doesn't even have an Exit button for half of its apps. I believe that sometimes its needed. Keep it installed, but there's no need to auto kill 24/7....
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thescreensavers
Diamond Member
- Aug 3, 2005
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^ Yes you can kill it if you know that APP is eating CPU cycles, but I like System Panel Lite since it shows me what apps are using CPU Cycles and I can kill it from the problem. With ATK it just lists all the apps cached or running to delete. And you dont really know what apps are really eating CPU cycles.
I have ATK set to aggressive to kill anything and it's been fine.
Some other quibbles:
- When you go to manage applications they are in random order and not ABC order. Kind of weird.
- HTC_IME keyboard mod does not work with the X. Unfortunately development has stopped on it and I don't know if it ever will. The stock keyboard is nice with the multitouch, but the auto correction is lacking. It won't capitalize i to I. Nor does it put an apostrophe in between Ill automatically when you type.
Some other quibbles:
- When you go to manage applications they are in random order and not ABC order. Kind of weird.
- HTC_IME keyboard mod does not work with the X. Unfortunately development has stopped on it and I don't know if it ever will. The stock keyboard is nice with the multitouch, but the auto correction is lacking. It won't capitalize i to I. Nor does it put an apostrophe in between Ill automatically when you type.
edro
Lifer
- Apr 5, 2002
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[Current iPhone 3G owner]
I played with the Droid X this weekend at the mall. I was surprised at how smooth the software transitioned in between screens and apps. It was very fast and precise. The phone is large, but not too large, as it is fairly thin. The camera seemed very nice and accurate, unlike my iPhone's.
I will definitely entertain the idea of switching to Droid X because of the iPhone 4's problems and AT&T's reception problems that I have dealt with for years.
I played with the Droid X this weekend at the mall. I was surprised at how smooth the software transitioned in between screens and apps. It was very fast and precise. The phone is large, but not too large, as it is fairly thin. The camera seemed very nice and accurate, unlike my iPhone's.
I will definitely entertain the idea of switching to Droid X because of the iPhone 4's problems and AT&T's reception problems that I have dealt with for years.
I'm the opposite, I used to hit the soft touch buttons on accident all the time, I love the physical buttons!
How do you turn on the screen on the Droid X? On the EVO you have to hit the power button on the top which can be awkward... the placement of the iPhone button was nicer.
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