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Driver's Log: 2003 Acura NSX

I would love Honda to drop a nice, lightweight aluminum V8 in this car, but I realize its personality would change considerably. I can?t imagine what 350 hp would feel like in this 3100-pound car, but wouldn?t it be fun to find out?

Naaaa, cause I know what 600HP feels like in a 3400lb car 😉
 
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

B/C flat 6's are cooler than V6's 🙂

Seriously though, the Porsche 911's Flat-6's put out between 320 and 381 naturally aspirated. Then you have the 420HP+ turbo versions.
 
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

Porsche also uses a flat 6, not a v6. Cars like the 911 also have the motor over the rear axle, not before it. That completely changes the dynamics of those cars.
 
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

Because Porsche doesn't have any qualms with forced induction.
 
Originally posted by: Rent
I've seen a few "new" ones driving around. I just can't bring myself to call it exotic.

i just can't justify the price tag. the engine isn't all that fantastic, and the body certainly isn't either.
sure it revs high, and has a lightweight mid engine RWD chassis, but for $90k? c'mon...
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i can see this car more at $40-60k, which at that price, i'll unfortunately still won't be able to afford one.
 
Originally posted by: Lifer
Originally posted by: Rent
I've seen a few "new" ones driving around. I just can't bring myself to call it exotic.

i just can't justify the price tag. the engine isn't all that fantastic, and the body certainly isn't either.
sure it revs high, and has a lightweight mid engine RWD chassis, but for $90k? c'mon...
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i can see this car more at $40-60k, which at that price, i'll unfortunately still won't be able to afford one.


completley agreed. Everytime I see one, I just think of all the Corvettes that will beat it.
 
I always wanted to see what Honda can do in a V8. Considering they can push out 250+ HP on the new Honda S2200 in a 4 cylinder(it can actually go higher than that but they wanted it to keep the LEV rating for their known fuel efficiency), I want to see if they can push the hp higher in an V8. But I guess it's not that Honda is going for.
 
Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

Porsche also uses a flat 6, not a v6. Cars like the 911 also have the motor over the rear axle, not before it. That completely changes the dynamics of those cars.

At the same time it's the weakest design part of the 911. Having the engine in the rear (arguably the worst spot for it) really throws off the handling. At the same time Porsche has done wonderful things with such a poor design.

Interestingly enough, most people couldn't tell a 912 (4 cylinder 911) from a VW Beetle. Very similar suspesion, engine, drivetrain, etc.

The main reason they don't catch any flack with their exculsive use of six cylinder engines is that they are actually very good. They can be powerful (some of the racing version have well over 1000hp, with plenty of street versions easily seeing 500+hp), and put the weight at a very good spot (down low). While there may be better engine designs out there, the flat six is a pretty good design.

Simple question though, why not a flat 8? They've done it before (even in the 914-8, a ~2000lb mid-engined car, I'd love to drive one of the two(?) they made). There's also a lot of talk of the new 911 having an eight cylinder engine. I think the main reason they haven't done it as of yet is there's no need. They can get plenty of power from the flat six, and it weights less and takes up less room in an already cramped engine bay (good luck fitting your hand ANYWHERE under the hood of a 996 turbo, even "in" the engine bay is nearly impossible).
 
Originally posted by: Rent

completley agreed. Everytime I see one, I just think of all the Corvettes that will beat it.

A Corvette beating a NSX?

You gotta be out of your freaking mind or you are joking.
 
Originally posted by: MC
Originally posted by: Rent

completley agreed. Everytime I see one, I just think of all the Corvettes that will beat it.

A Corvette beating a NSX?

You gotta be out of your freaking mind or you are joking.

i don't see how it's a joke
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Originally posted by: MC
Originally posted by: Rent

completley agreed. Everytime I see one, I just think of all the Corvettes that will beat it.

A Corvette beating a NSX?

You gotta be out of your freaking mind or you are joking.
A tricked out vette by any one of those companies keeping its price to that of the NSX the corvette will smoke it like a fat doobie!

NSXs are under-powered piece of pretty dog-crap. 😛 I'm going to buy a fiero, give it upgraded tires and suspension and a ferrari enzo kit and call it a sports car.

 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: KGB
Honda should make a i6 for the NSX. It would definitely give more hp/torque
Hell man they could steal an engine from a 350z and give it more torque!

I dunno... my friend owns an Infinit G35. (same engine as 350Z, slight less hp) The engine and tranny is good in the beginning, however after 7 months of ownership; he's ready to throw it in the trash heap.

Toyota had a nice i6 in the GS300/SC300.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
A tricked out vette by any one of those companies keeping its price to that of the NSX the corvette will smoke it like a fat doobie!

NSXs are under-powered piece of pretty dog-crap. 😛 I'm going to buy a fiero, give it upgraded tires and suspension and a ferrari enzo kit and call it a sports car.
Who said anything about tricking out the Corvette? A stock Z06 will beat an NSX on the drag strip and around a road course. Truthfully, a base Corvette might also.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

B/C flat 6's are cooler than V6's 🙂

Seriously though, the Porsche 911's Flat-6's put out between 320 and 381 naturally aspirated. Then you have the 420HP+ turbo versions.

ok, i never understood fully...whats the difference between a flat 6 and a v6? or an I-6? or whatever else type of engines there are. can someone please explain?
 
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: Skoorb
A tricked out vette by any one of those companies keeping its price to that of the NSX the corvette will smoke it like a fat doobie!

NSXs are under-powered piece of pretty dog-crap. 😛 I'm going to buy a fiero, give it upgraded tires and suspension and a ferrari enzo kit and call it a sports car.
Who said anything about tricking out the Corvette? A stock Z06 will beat an NSX on the drag strip and around a road course. Truthfully, a base Corvette might also.

Yeap.. the base comes with a 3.8L V6 (same as bonneville) However GM has improved the engine quite substantially. It no longer needs a super-charger to do 250tq and 230 hp. It has it STOCK compared to the original specs (205hp/230tq)

(upcoming GM vehicles with a 3.8L supercharged will do 255hp/280tq) These are rough estimates, but I did have a little chat with a gm spokeperson at a car show.
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

B/C flat 6's are cooler than V6's 🙂

Seriously though, the Porsche 911's Flat-6's put out between 320 and 381 naturally aspirated. Then you have the 420HP+ turbo versions.

ok, i never understood fully...whats the difference between a flat 6 and a v6? or an I-6? or whatever else type of engines there are. can someone please explain?

A V6 has the cylinders arranged in a V shape. Usually the two banks of 3 cylinders are at 60° to each other. I6 has them all in a line. A flat 6 has them opposed to each other, basically a 180° V6.

Anyone have that link to the site with the awesome engine information? It had diagrams of VW's VR6 and stuff.. I can't find it for the life of me. I think Mad Indian first posted it but I dunno.
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

B/C flat 6's are cooler than V6's 🙂

Seriously though, the Porsche 911's Flat-6's put out between 320 and 381 naturally aspirated. Then you have the 420HP+ turbo versions.

ok, i never understood fully...whats the difference between a flat 6 and a v6? or an I-6? or whatever else type of engines there are. can someone please explain?

I3,I4,I5,I6 = Cylinders are all inline
V6,V8,V10,V12 = Cylinders are arranged in a V shape (V8 = two I4's combined @ 90* to each other).
Flat 4,6,8 = Cylinders are all opposed. A Flat 6 is basically a 180* V6.

That's just the naming convention and how the cylinders are arranged. To actually find out what makes each one better than any other read this:
http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/tech_index.htm
 
Originally posted by: Scootin159
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
How come Porsche never catches any flak about their exclusive use six-cylinder engines in the 911?

B/C flat 6's are cooler than V6's 🙂

Seriously though, the Porsche 911's Flat-6's put out between 320 and 381 naturally aspirated. Then you have the 420HP+ turbo versions.

ok, i never understood fully...whats the difference between a flat 6 and a v6? or an I-6? or whatever else type of engines there are. can someone please explain?

I3,I4,I5,I6 = Cylinders are all inline
V6,V8,V10,V12 = Cylinders are arranged in a V shape (V8 = two I4's combined @ 90* to each other).
Flat 4,6,8 = Cylinders are all opposed. A Flat 6 is basically a 180* V6.

That's just the naming convention and how the cylinders are arranged. To actually find out what makes each one better than any other read this:
http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/tech_index.htm

Wow. That was the exact site I was looking for, and you posted at the same time as me 😀.
 
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