Drinking Age

[alkemyst]

blue laws really.

politicians will bring to the ballot what gets them votes. The zealots are keen to shut down things and eager to vote for them.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mafia

Though its been proven countless times that texting and driving is much more dangerous but its legal.

more and more places are getting rid of it and the drunk is usually drunk the whole way while the texter puts the phone down at some point.

my favorite is the readers though. newspaper on the steering wheel and eyes down. awesome.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
I don't think it matters what age it's at. Look at all the stupid fucks that are OF AGE, and get arrested for DUI, vehicular manslaughter, etc, etc.

Age means nothing. Personal responsibility does. By 21, you're supposed to be responsible enough to handle alcohol. There's no perfect legal age for drinking. But 21 is probably better than 18.

I beg to differ on the bolded part. If one can make a conscious, rational decision to join the Army (and risk getting killed or maimed) then why can they not have a few beers or shots? Both actions carry the possibility of terrible consequences, yet people who are 18 and not 21 are allowed to do one thing but not the other.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: mafia
In Europe most countires have their minimum drinking age at 18 years of age. Some countires like Austria and Germany allow 16 year olds to drink beer. Why is it 21 years in America? If you are 18 years old you are technically a adult. If you are an adult, why can't you drink alcohol? What if we changed it to 18? What do you all think?

Argument: In Europe, people drink from an early age, yet they do not have the alcohol-related problems we do. We need fewer restrictions, not more.

Answer: The claim that the relaxed European attitudes toward alcohol consumption creates a culture where youth don't engage in binge drinking and that it leads directly to more responsible drinking is an urban myth and has no basis in fact or reality.

According to 2003 data from the European School Survey Project on Alcohol and Other Drugs revealed that of 35 European countries, 31 had a greater percentage of 15-year olds who had been intoxicated in the past year than in the U.S. Most European countries' youth are out-drinking their American teens with regards to both binge drinking and drinking to intoxication.

http://www.nationalsafetycommi...inking-age-law-101.php

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You know what's stupid? You can join the armed forces when you're 18, they'll give you a rifle and train you to kill, but don't you dare drink else punishment is harsh.

last I checked you can drink on base if a soldier of any age. I wouldn't be surprised if this changed.

 

[Krynj]

Originally posted by: Xanis
I beg to differ on the bolded part. If one can make a conscious, rational decision to join the Army (and risk getting killed or maimed) then why can they not have a few beers or shots? Both actions carry the possibility of terrible consequences, yet people who are 18 and not 21 are allowed to do one thing but not the other.

Probably better to kill people in another country than it is to kill US civilians in a drunk driving mishap.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix

Originally posted by: Xanis
I beg to differ on the bolded part. If one can make a conscious, rational decision to join the Army (and risk getting killed or maimed) then why can they not have a few beers or shots? Both actions carry the possibility of terrible consequences, yet people who are 18 and not 21 are allowed to do one thing but not the other.

Probably better to kill people in another country than it is to kill US civilians in a drunk driving mishap.

That's pretty back-asswards, but I see what you're saying.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
http://www.nationalsafetycommi...inking-age-law-101.php

Evidence proves that the 21 minimum drinking age law is effective, having saved over 900 lives a year since its inception.

900 lives although important to those individuals are sadly insignificant to the masses.

 

[mafia]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: mafia
In Europe most countires have their minimum drinking age at 18 years of age. Some countires like Austria and Germany allow 16 year olds to drink beer. Why is it 21 years in America? If you are 18 years old you are technically a adult. If you are an adult, why can't you drink alcohol? What if we changed it to 18? What do you all think?

Argument: In Europe, people drink from an early age, yet they do not have the alcohol-related problems we do. We need fewer restrictions, not more.

Answer: The claim that the relaxed European attitudes toward alcohol consumption creates a culture where youth don't engage in binge drinking and that it leads directly to more responsible drinking is an urban myth and has no basis in fact or reality.

According to 2003 data from the European School Survey Project on Alcohol and Other Drugs revealed that of 35 European countries, 31 had a greater percentage of 15-year olds who had been intoxicated in the past year than in the U.S. Most European countries' youth are out-drinking their American teens with regards to both binge drinking and drinking to intoxication.

http://www.nationalsafetycommi...inking-age-law-101.php

Hmm.. but why didn't they make the study on 18 year olds?

 

[SandEagle]

http://www.why21.org/history/

 

[mafia]

Originally posted by: SandEagle
http://www.why21.org/history/

There wasn't a lot of drinking and driving laws back then during the Vietnam War. I think it would be different now.

 

[nageov3t]

because when angry mom's say jump, politicians say how high.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

*slaps TehMac*

*dickslaps Schneiderguy*

 

[MyThirdEye]

last night i had 10 natty ices in an hour and a half and drove 40 miles back home. i'm still alive.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

*slaps TehMac*

*dickslaps Schneiderguy*

:Q:lips:

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: FoBoT
http://www.nationalsafetycommi...inking-age-law-101.php

Evidence proves that the 21 minimum drinking age law is effective, having saved over 900 lives a year since its inception.

900 lives although important to those individuals are sadly insignificant to the masses.

you could probably make this argument about all alcohol, only the numbers would be bigger.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You know what's stupid? You can join the armed forces when you're 18, they'll give you a rifle and train you to kill, but don't you dare drink else punishment is harsh.

last I checked you can drink on base if a soldier of any age. I wouldn't be surprised if this changed.

IIRC I think you can drink on base, provided you are off duty and out of uniform. They sell alcohol at the BX's usually and I know my brother drinks on base pretty often, and I don't think he would if he wasn't allowed.

He's AF, other branches might vary

 

[yh125d]

And about that study I wonder how they came by that number. I mean how can you really test to see how many people DIDNT die because they decided not to drink cause they were under age? I'm interested in hearing their methodology

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: loki8481
because when angry mom's say jump, politicians say how high.

actually it's more like "why yes, your hubby is working and I just installed this great trampoline out back...you can dive into the saltwater pool, I am sure you can perfect your swan dive in no time at all...I am sure your hubby would love this.......btw can you just sign here?"

 

[mafia]

Originally posted by: yh125d
And about that study I wonder how they came by that number. I mean how can you really test to see how many people DIDNT die because they decided not to drink cause they were under age? I'm interested in hearing their methodology

Yeh

 

[Regs]

Because age 20 is too young to die by your own doing.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: loki8481
because when angry mom's say jump, politicians say how high.

actually it's more like "why yes, your hubby is working and I just installed this great trampoline out back...you can dive into the saltwater pool, I am sure you can perfect your swan dive in no time at all...I am sure your hubby would love this.......btw can you just sign here?"

 

[PrinceofWands]

There should only be a couple set ages at which a person transitions to a new cultural and legal status.

The first should be around puberty (say 12 on average), at which time the child accepts limited responsibility and liabilities in exchange for passing from childhood to adolescence. At this age the parents begin to shed total responsibility for the actions of the minor.

The last should be at the age of majority, which should be firmly set (probably at 18, but 21 has some good arguments). At that age all other changes take place, and all rights/responsibilities are acquired (drinking, smoking, voting, military service, driving, etc).

 

[IGBT]

there's already enough drunks on the road.

 

[jlee]

Because the feds cut highway funding to states who don't have 21+ laws.