Draining the Swamp begins...

[pauldun170]

Drain the swamp.
refill with sewer water
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ief-of-staff-steve-bannon-as-chief-strategist
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-names-his-most-racist-friendly-advisor-to-1788932041

 

[Jhhnn]

Drain the swamp.
refill with sewer water
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ief-of-staff-steve-bannon-as-chief-strategist
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-names-his-most-racist-friendly-advisor-to-1788932041

Bannon & the Alt-right break out into the big time while Pence & Priebus tend to the usual Repub agenda.

Y'all ready for the trickle down fairy to work her magic?

 

[Sonikku]

These appointments are terrible. It says volumes of how the next four years will go. And all I hear from Trump supports is "Why so angry? He hasn't done anything yet Libs!!". It's like watching a train run off the rails and being told to just calm down, it hasn't crashed yet.

 

[LegendKiller]

These appointments are terrible. It says volumes of how the next four years will go. And all I hear from Trump supports is "Why so angry? He hasn't done anything yet Libs!!". It's like watching a train run off the rails and being told to just calm down, it hasn't crashed yet.

How are they terrible?

 

[Sonikku]

Well, perhaps that's too harsh. From a regular joe or consumer point of view it's clearly terrible appointing these lobbyist clowns with obvious conflicts of interest.

Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.

Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the “energy independence” portfolio.

Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.

Though, certainly, from a corporate profiteering point of view these appointments are top notch.

 

[jman19]

Well, perhaps that's too harsh. From a regular joe or consumer point of view it's clearly terrible appointing these lobbyist clowns with obvious conflicts of interest.



Though, certainly, from a corporate profiteering point of view these appointments are top notch.

Really cleaning up Washington.

Americans duped and lied to - couldn't be.

 

[NostaSeronx]

How are they terrible?

They aren't the most brilliant minds we expected. Instead, it is pretty much cronyism cranked up to super god kaoken x1000 4, which translated means SUPER-ESTABLISHMENT.

 

[soundforbjt]

Really cleaning up in Washington.

Americans duped and lied to - couldn't be.

Ftfy

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump prefers loyalty more than anything, he's just rewarding all those whom he "trusts".

 

[Grooveriding]

Bannon's true title : Propaganda Minister and his first duty will be to begin work on an Enabling Act

 

[Sonikku]

The spoils system FTL.

 

[bshole]

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[LegendKiller]

Well, perhaps that's too harsh. From a regular joe or consumer point of view it's clearly terrible appointing these lobbyist clowns with obvious conflicts of interest.



Though, certainly, from a corporate profiteering point of view these appointments are top notch.

It all depends on who the leader is and how they lead. What's hilarious is that if he had picked neophytes you guys would be freaking the fuck out about him not having people who knew DC and how the gov't work and saying it was armageddon.

 

[LegendKiller]

They aren't the most brilliant minds we expected. Instead, it is pretty much cronyism cranked up to super god kaoken x1000 4, which translated means SUPER-ESTABLISHMENT.

We'll see. Lincoln didn't pick people that were political naifs but he did pick people who knew how to get shit done and told them what to do.

 

[Jhhnn]

It all depends on who the leader is and how they lead. What's hilarious is that if he had picked neophytes you guys would be freaking the fuck out about him not having people who knew DC and how the gov't work and saying it was armageddon.

So, he's going to shake up Washington with recycled Bush cronies & other bog standard Repub talking heads like Giuliani? With SCOTUS picks by the Koch funded Heritage foundation? With massive Jerb Creator tax cuts & financial deregulation?

With poisonous alt-right rhetoric courtesy of Bannon to keep the deplorabes howling for more, of course.

 

[soundforbjt]

But he'll have all the "best" people...

 

[Scooby Doo]

Well if he goes with through with these, that's his first of many lies LOL

 

[agent00f]

Why would you do that? Do you mock people with down syndrome because they aren't as bright as you? This is pretty disturbing.

Just as people who're born ugly use that opportunity to develop personality, the untalented can take use what's available to make the best of it. That's all very much more noble than the proud idiot that society rightly looks down upon.

 

[Sonikku]

It all depends on who the leader is and how they lead. What's hilarious is that if he had picked neophytes you guys would be freaking the fuck out about him not having people who knew DC and how the gov't work and saying it was armageddon.

You're very presumptuous. I would prefer that. A person who doesn't know what they're doing is almost always preferable to a person with malicious intent that does. (At a glance that would make Trump more appealing than Hillary, though I believe Trump does in fact known damn well what he was doing from the start; cronyism) Those lobbyists aren't taking these positions to go to work for the common people.

 

[agent00f]

Well if he goes with through with these, that's his first of many lies LOL

You're very presumptuous. I would prefer that. A person who doesn't know what they're doing is almost always preferable to a person with malicious intent that does. (At a glance that would make Trump more appealing than Hillary, though I believe Trump does in fact known damn well what he was doing from the start; cronyism) Those lobbyists aren't taking these positions to go to work for the common people.

Just a heads up that these people knew trump was lying and chose to help propagate those lies. Don't believe everything people say at face value.

 

[realibrad]

Just a heads up that these people knew trump was lying and chose to help propagate those lies. Don't believe everything people say at face value.

How is appointing people with conflicts of interests different under Trump than anyone else? I mean, its not like the head of the FCC "worked as a venture capitalist and lobbyist for the cable and wireless industry". Something like that should be a big problem if it were done under a Dem. Or maybe someone like Islam Siddiqui, head of the USTR.

The government was filled with conflicts of interest before, and will be after Trump.

 

[Puffnstuff]

How is appointing people with conflicts of interests different under Trump than anyone else? I mean, its not like the head of the FCC "worked as a venture capitalist and lobbyist for the cable and wireless industry". Something like that should be a big problem if it were done under a Dem. Or maybe someone like Islam Siddiqui, head of the USTR.

The government was filled with conflicts of interest before, and will be after Trump.

What you are saying is true and nobody can deny it. However, somebody made a claim that they would drain the swamp which obviously will not happen and that is the object of contention.

 

[realibrad]

What you are saying is true and nobody can deny it. However, somebody made a claim that they would drain the swamp which obviously will not happen and that is the object of contention.

When I’m president of the United States, if you want to work for my administration, you can’t leave my administration and then go lobby.” — Barack Obama, campaigning in Iowa in August 2007

Indeed, we should be holding people to their word. Sadly, we only do that when its the other side that says it. It's only a problem when the wrong side does it. When the right side does it, that turns into pragmatism.

I pointed this out in another thread, but when the Left tries to make a point that Trump is bad and this is a unique example, they lose the argument. Their goal is to show how Trump was the wrong choice, but at best this is an example that shows he is not better than the Left's options. The left needs to stop with the BS arguments, and trying to take Trump down by personal attacks. This should be used to show that Trump is equal to all the bad things, not worse. In trying to exaggerate things he does, they end up making people think he is better than he actually is. Trump has interests outside of the American people, but, by trying to make him seem like his interests are worse than others, you end up losing.

If the previous corruption has not been the end of the US, don't pretend it will be now. Focus on the fact that it hurts and makes is less well off. Until such time that we see something unique, don't call it unique.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

We'll see. Lincoln didn't pick people that were political naifs but he did pick people who knew how to get shit done and told them what to do.

LOL, did you really just compare drumpf to Lincoln, whether consciously or unconsciously?

 

[fskimospy]

Indeed, we should be holding people to their word. Sadly, we only do that when its the other side that says it. It's only a problem when the wrong side does it. When the right side does it, that turns into pragmatism.

I pointed this out in another thread, but when the Left tries to make a point that Trump is bad and this is a unique example, they lose the argument. Their goal is to show how Trump was the wrong choice, but at best this is an example that shows he is not better than the Left's options. The left needs to stop with the BS arguments, and trying to take Trump down by personal attacks. This should be used to show that Trump is equal to all the bad things, not worse. In trying to exaggerate things he does, they end up making people think he is better than he actually is. Trump has interests outside of the American people, but, by trying to make him seem like his interests are worse than others, you end up losing.

If the previous corruption has not been the end of the US, don't pretend it will be now. Focus on the fact that it hurts and makes is less well off. Until such time that we see something unique, don't call it unique.

No, this is again an exercise in false equivalence. The level of conflict of interest present in a Trump administration is not only uniquely large, it is uniquely large by several orders of magnitude. If the left were to try and pretend this wasn't the case not only would they be in denial of reality, they would have lost the argument before it even started. We can't let ourselves be duped by the constant calls for false equivalence. It's the same thing that happened in the election where people tried to claim that both candidates were liars despite one being orders of magnitude worse.

There is no way a sane and rational person looking at the facts objectively can say that the conflict of interest present here is equal to or even remotely equal to anything that has preceded it in the history of the American presidency. If you believe you have an example that says otherwise, please let me know what it is.