Mike Gayner
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I am paying full price for dragon age and therefore am entitled to get for tree any content Bioware ever produce in relation to this IP. That's how it works, right?
Actually, it has everything to do with it. Now. Because we threadjacked hardcore. And really not even because of that. Again, I fail to see the problem with offering two related products on the same day.
Do all of you guys whine to the movie studios when they release the special edition DVDs/BluRays the same day as the regulars for more money?
No, but the boxed DA : O Collector's Edition doesn't include the extra content. They charge you for the blu-ray collector's edition but leave out one of the discs.
How so? The boxed collector's ed has a bunch of physical goodies that people can throw away immediately, like a little map and some other shit no one wants. There's your extra money. If you didn't *want* to buy that with your extra money and instead wanted the DLC, you should've gotten the digital collector's ed.
Again, where is the problem? Did you pay money for something without knowing what it was? If so, are you expecting me to feel bad for you? With a straight face?
Jesus Christ - can this thread die already?
Most of us already said
WE ARE BUYING THE GAME. ONLY LATER.
But somehow that's not good enough for the EA nutslurpers.
Most of us already said
WE ARE BUYING THE GAME. ONLY LATER.
But somehow that's not good enough for the EA nutslurpers.
Qbah
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The game apparently already comes with two free DLC items on launch day - The Stone Prisoner and Blood Armor. That's right - every person that buys DAO new will get those two things. Apparently this paid DLC is bigger and therefore they ask money for it. Totally reasonable. Another team made the DLC, it's not an integral part of the story so you're not missing out on anything, So? I was disappointed for about 10 minutes with this (and wrote my previous post). I read up a bit more on it and I'm totally fine with it.
And if you get the CE edition digitally, you get Warden's Keep for free, to offset the fact that you won't be getting any other physical items (like the map and box and other stuff).
And if you get the CE edition digitally, you get Warden's Keep for free, to offset the fact that you won't be getting any other physical items (like the map and box and other stuff).
Mike Gayner
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ZzZGuy
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Origins
There is also the +1 to everything ring you get if you submit your custom made character portrait in the (free) character creator bioware released on their website.
While still a attack on second hand sales and a hindrance to the consumer, it is much toned down from the online activation & install/system limits. Going with the assumption that there will only be a CD check, the consumer can resell the game and Bioware/EA can make extra money off people who bought second hand and want the extra goodies (I still think "The Stone Prisoner" is over priced for what is described and considering the second hand market it's aimed at). It could be good or bad in the future. Will they (whoever uses this) offer a extra carrot to people who buy the game or withhold half the game until you jump through their hoops?
As for the original topic, the question is wither or not the "The Warden?s Keep" is worth it or not. I do not object to paid DLC as long as I'm not getting ripped off. It would be great if they come out with a variety of DLC (I'd like free tweaks and paided added stroyline/good quests/new areas) in the future that will add a great deal of re-playability for "cheap". This question will be answered after the games release once enough people who bought this DLC get to it and offer their opinion of it.
There is also the +1 to everything ring you get if you submit your custom made character portrait in the (free) character creator bioware released on their website.
While still a attack on second hand sales and a hindrance to the consumer, it is much toned down from the online activation & install/system limits. Going with the assumption that there will only be a CD check, the consumer can resell the game and Bioware/EA can make extra money off people who bought second hand and want the extra goodies (I still think "The Stone Prisoner" is over priced for what is described and considering the second hand market it's aimed at). It could be good or bad in the future. Will they (whoever uses this) offer a extra carrot to people who buy the game or withhold half the game until you jump through their hoops?
As for the original topic, the question is wither or not the "The Warden?s Keep" is worth it or not. I do not object to paid DLC as long as I'm not getting ripped off. It would be great if they come out with a variety of DLC (I'd like free tweaks and paided added stroyline/good quests/new areas) in the future that will add a great deal of re-playability for "cheap". This question will be answered after the games release once enough people who bought this DLC get to it and offer their opinion of it.
Krakn3Dfx
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I'll eventually still buy it, have no doubt. But I do disagree with this and with the release of Uncharted 2, Borderlands, L4D2, Torchlight, and probably 1 or 2 other games I can't think of right off the top of my head this season that I'm stoked about, having a reason to push back buying DA
to 2010 when it's cheaper is pretty good for me.
to 2010 when it's cheaper is pretty good for me.
jonks
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/2009/11/6/
We spent quite a bit of time trying to determine how we felt about the Dragon Age situation described in today's comic - a character appears in your camp who offers a questline that is only available in downloadable content. The character is literally a salesman. Is this an act of abominable evil? Or is the mass of this evil sufficient to unfold itself - like a Popple - into a creature capable of love?
The very moment that the Collector's Edition became available for purchase, I did so. You might imagine that, having done an eight page project for the title, we might have received some kind of consideration in this respect - but as a site that does not offer numerical scores, indeed, as a site which finds the entire notion of numerical scores abhorrent, we don't manifest near the top of that particular queue. But there's never been a possibility that I would not purchase Dragon Age, from the moment we saw it in an elemental form at the Electronic Entertainment Expo five years ago. Then, in my mind, I set aside an inviolate amount which would always be oriented toward this purpose.
We are apparently at a point now where the Collector's Edition is not the ultimate manifestation of a game. Modern Warfare 2, which is the most important product ever, has offered up a Veteran Edition, a Hardened Edition, a Prestige Edition, and presumably a Tumescent Edition. Back when I purchased my Dragon Age, though, I think I had a reasonable expectation that it would be a definitive product. A trailer emerged for Warden's Keep, and something scratched at the base of my skull when it did so, something about what version would or wouldn't include it, but I felt confident that this didn't apply to me.
It turns out that this content comes with the quote Digital Deluxe edition - which they might consider calling the Complete Edition, or perhaps The Entire Game Edition, as it includes the Entire Game. You know perfectly well that I don't have a problem with the concept of "premium" game additions, I'm unique among amateur industry observers in that I don't ladle up populist bullshit in an effort to make myself appear a man of the people. I like buying things. But jeezy creezy, guys. The timing, execution, and decision making here are fucking cavalier.
Like Oblivion, the scope of the Dragon Age experience provides some built-in protection from assertions that the base experience is incomplete without the content. There was a time when companies demurred when discussing downloadable content at launch, other than the most routine assurances that maps - of some kind - would be forthcoming. Now, we've reached a new threshold, where Day One DLC and the promise of Two Years of unrelenting premium offers are the goal - where pitchmen emerge unbidden in our role-playing games and try sell us valor a la carte.
Incredible.
We spent quite a bit of time trying to determine how we felt about the Dragon Age situation described in today's comic - a character appears in your camp who offers a questline that is only available in downloadable content. The character is literally a salesman. Is this an act of abominable evil? Or is the mass of this evil sufficient to unfold itself - like a Popple - into a creature capable of love?
The very moment that the Collector's Edition became available for purchase, I did so. You might imagine that, having done an eight page project for the title, we might have received some kind of consideration in this respect - but as a site that does not offer numerical scores, indeed, as a site which finds the entire notion of numerical scores abhorrent, we don't manifest near the top of that particular queue. But there's never been a possibility that I would not purchase Dragon Age, from the moment we saw it in an elemental form at the Electronic Entertainment Expo five years ago. Then, in my mind, I set aside an inviolate amount which would always be oriented toward this purpose.
We are apparently at a point now where the Collector's Edition is not the ultimate manifestation of a game. Modern Warfare 2, which is the most important product ever, has offered up a Veteran Edition, a Hardened Edition, a Prestige Edition, and presumably a Tumescent Edition. Back when I purchased my Dragon Age, though, I think I had a reasonable expectation that it would be a definitive product. A trailer emerged for Warden's Keep, and something scratched at the base of my skull when it did so, something about what version would or wouldn't include it, but I felt confident that this didn't apply to me.
It turns out that this content comes with the quote Digital Deluxe edition - which they might consider calling the Complete Edition, or perhaps The Entire Game Edition, as it includes the Entire Game. You know perfectly well that I don't have a problem with the concept of "premium" game additions, I'm unique among amateur industry observers in that I don't ladle up populist bullshit in an effort to make myself appear a man of the people. I like buying things. But jeezy creezy, guys. The timing, execution, and decision making here are fucking cavalier.
Like Oblivion, the scope of the Dragon Age experience provides some built-in protection from assertions that the base experience is incomplete without the content. There was a time when companies demurred when discussing downloadable content at launch, other than the most routine assurances that maps - of some kind - would be forthcoming. Now, we've reached a new threshold, where Day One DLC and the promise of Two Years of unrelenting premium offers are the goal - where pitchmen emerge unbidden in our role-playing games and try sell us valor a la carte.
Incredible.
Neither Stone Prisoner nor Warden's Keep are worth it. Stone Prisoner is basically the equivalent of the Golem in NWN2: Motb, and Warden's Keep has about as much content as a side dungeon in NWN2.
Warden's Keep is basically, beat up low level mobs for half an hour. In fact, none of the loot was better than what you could buy from merchants anyway if you are a mid-level character. If you are low level though, and haven't played much of the game, then Warden's Keep has "decent" loot for melee characters. Decent as in, slightly better than what you currently have.
It's a total disappointment. Basically you'd be missing nothing not getting these pieces of DLC. The quality is so low (basically the equivalent of a 4th level D&D dungeon romp) compared to the rest of the game that it looks completely out of place.
Warden's Keep is basically, beat up low level mobs for half an hour. In fact, none of the loot was better than what you could buy from merchants anyway if you are a mid-level character. If you are low level though, and haven't played much of the game, then Warden's Keep has "decent" loot for melee characters. Decent as in, slightly better than what you currently have.
It's a total disappointment. Basically you'd be missing nothing not getting these pieces of DLC. The quality is so low (basically the equivalent of a 4th level D&D dungeon romp) compared to the rest of the game that it looks completely out of place.
Since Stone Prisoner is free if you buy the game. It's easily worth it. Haven't gotten Warden's Keep yet, but I'm interested mostly due to the lore not the possible loot.
There's not much lore going on. You converse with a grand total of 3 people in the entire DLC.
Dumac
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Wow, I didn't know Warden's Keep wasn't in the boxed deluxe edition. That is pretty lame. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure they didn't say that when it first became available for pre-order.
Astrallite, is the extra inventory space worth it, or are the vanilla storage options enough?
Astrallite, is the extra inventory space worth it, or are the vanilla storage options enough?
mindcycle
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I'm just astounded that anyone would actually pay extra money to download garbage like this. All it does is send a message to the industry that this is ok.
Of course the standard reply to what I just wrote would be "just don't buy it then", so save your breath, because don't worry, i'm not intending to. Simple fact is this kind of mentality on the publishers end, along with a multitude of other non-customer friendly concepts, is what is driving people away from PC games. But then again, milking your customers for every last cent is even more prevalent on the console side so I guess it's a moot point.
/Rant
Of course the standard reply to what I just wrote would be "just don't buy it then", so save your breath, because don't worry, i'm not intending to. Simple fact is this kind of mentality on the publishers end, along with a multitude of other non-customer friendly concepts, is what is driving people away from PC games. But then again, milking your customers for every last cent is even more prevalent on the console side so I guess it's a moot point.
/Rant
ZzZGuy
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The inventory system is based on the number of items you can carry, not weight. The starting limit is 70. To increase your inventory limit you must buy "backpacks" which increase the limit by 10. The backpacks seem hideously expensive starting out IIRC. 70 may seem like a lot but I constantly hover around 60 after I sell loot, this is mostly due to a variety of small items like gems, herbs, enchanting material, crafting material, quest items, alternate weapons for your characters and such.
I considered cheating money to buy backpacks (seeing how it appears you're gimped if you don't buy the DLC) but the game lacks a proper command console so what cheats there are will likely brake your game based on reading the bioware forums. Likely there will be a mod of some sort to either lower the price of backpacks or add useable chests.
While I do not have the Warden's Keep DLC, I do know the extra storage is in the forum of chests. Perhaps someone here who has it can comment on the storage space.
Once you complete the dungeon romp, the dungeon is permanently locked. So, no go on the keep, you don't get a stronghold. Some dude standing in front entrance sells wares and stands next to a treasure chest. That treasure chest is your inventory space.
And your designated party camp/resting place has no treasure chests or hell even a freaking "pile" to drop stuff. But It's like they intentionally did this to charge you $$.
It would be wonderful if they even put the extra inventory space IN YOUR CAMPSITE for $7. Instead, you have to travel into the wilds and run through half the map to open a treasure chest. Terrible, just terrible. And Warden's Keep itself is not a very good dungeon romp. If you ever play it, it certainly looks like a separate DLC group did it because the quality of the textures and object designs in the dungeon are TERRIBLE. The whole thing feels cheap.
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PhatoseAlpha
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Well, while I'm not opposed to DLC per se, having the salesman show up in game really is tasteless.
The real shame, however, is that the game can anonymously report back usage statistics. If they really wanted to gauge player response, they could've made stabbing the DLC guy in the face an option, and one that was reported.
Certainly would've made for some interesting statistics.
The real shame, however, is that the game can anonymously report back usage statistics. If they really wanted to gauge player response, they could've made stabbing the DLC guy in the face an option, and one that was reported.
Certainly would've made for some interesting statistics.
Most of us agree that it's ridiculous to expect that purchasing one thing from a company entitles you to everything else that company releases on the same day. That being said, I do think that Bioware could have handled this better as public perception is more important than the reality.
I had no idea that the warden's keep was not available in the boxed CE and was simply lucky to purchase the digital CE and acquire it that way. If I had purchased the boxed CE instead, I would definitely feel irritated at the lack of clarity surrounding this issue and Bioware's reluctance to discuss this ahead of time.
Listing what a specific version doesn't have is certainly not a requirement but I think it would have been better for public relations. Software makers include tables of features by product versions every time there are disparate feature lists and game releases with day 1 DLC should do the same.
I had no idea that the warden's keep was not available in the boxed CE and was simply lucky to purchase the digital CE and acquire it that way. If I had purchased the boxed CE instead, I would definitely feel irritated at the lack of clarity surrounding this issue and Bioware's reluctance to discuss this ahead of time.
Listing what a specific version doesn't have is certainly not a requirement but I think it would have been better for public relations. Software makers include tables of features by product versions every time there are disparate feature lists and game releases with day 1 DLC should do the same.
ZzZGuy
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@Muad
The question still is if the DLC is worth it and if they gimp the game so you have to buy it. The closest Bioware has come to gimping DA is have a restrictively small inventory (imo) and no other means of storage, but it's hardly game breaking. And likely there will be mods to solve this problem. As for price, when compaired to the rest of the game (which I think is quite fair) the Warden's Keep appears to be wroth $0.70 CAD and I'm being honest here in what I would pay for it.
Another funny thing is that Bioware has stated that they restricted the size of the inentory for gameplay reasons to force you to think really hard on what you need as well as stating there where technical problems with save game size/load times/items being lost when they had chest in the main camp (not DLC) and where forced to remove them at the last minute leaving them unable to to fix it. Yet they have done just that with the DLC, so I'm a little skeptical on what they say on this issue.
The question still is if the DLC is worth it and if they gimp the game so you have to buy it. The closest Bioware has come to gimping DA is have a restrictively small inventory (imo) and no other means of storage, but it's hardly game breaking. And likely there will be mods to solve this problem. As for price, when compaired to the rest of the game (which I think is quite fair) the Warden's Keep appears to be wroth $0.70 CAD and I'm being honest here in what I would pay for it.
Another funny thing is that Bioware has stated that they restricted the size of the inentory for gameplay reasons to force you to think really hard on what you need as well as stating there where technical problems with save game size/load times/items being lost when they had chest in the main camp (not DLC) and where forced to remove them at the last minute leaving them unable to to fix it. Yet they have done just that with the DLC, so I'm a little skeptical on what they say on this issue.
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