Double standards

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Judgement


The idea isn't to keep them out, its to move things out of vision before they enter the room.

Hahaha, that made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

You think we can't hear the bottles clinking? Or the frantic whispers as you try to hide it? Or the smell of alcohol exuding from your room, clothes and person? Your bloodshot eyes?

The actual bottles are the least of our worries. All that means (you hiding the bottles) is that we get to add a nice little footnote to our reports that says "non-compliant". Most higher ups love that.

I'm glad it made you laugh. In all seriousness though, if it is a monitoring RA, they can't hear anything out in the hall with all the cinderblock walls, that is if you don't want anyone out there to hear it. Also, I think I should mention that the RAs roam in pairs, never alone and that is a safety policy to keep the RAs that would be less likely to report people they knew etc from doing so because they can get in trouble if the RA they are with reports and they don't. If you move things out of direct vision of someone who enters the room a couple steps you shouldn't get in trouble because they don't go through the trouble of doing a real search in every room in the dorms every weekend. They are too lazy for that, they are other college students after all.

We don't usually drink from bottles btw, and bloodshot eyes usually means you've been blazing up as opposed to drinking. At least for me my eyes don't really get bloodshot. They don't usually look that hard to be honest, just for paraphernalia.

 

[johnjohn320]

Great post, Bravo! (applause applause)

To people who always ask for "cliff notes" or "shortened version"-stop it. Everytime a post has more than 2 paragraphs people always do that. Learn how to fvcking read. And if you don't want to read long posts, then you don't need to, just don't reply. 🙂

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Judgement

I'm glad it made you laugh. In all seriousness though, if it is a monitoring RA, they can't hear anything out in the hall with all the cinderblock walls, that is if you don't want anyone out there to hear it. Also, I think I should mention that the RAs roam in pairs, never alone and that is a safety policy to keep the RAs that would be less likely to report people they knew etc from doing so because they can get in trouble if the RA they are with reports and they don't. If you move things out of direct vision of someone who enters the room a couple steps you shouldn't get in trouble because they don't go through the trouble of doing a real search in every room in the dorms every weekend. They are too lazy for that, they are other college students after all.

We don't usually drink from bottles btw, and bloodshot eyes usually means you've been blazing up as opposed to drinking. At least for me my eyes don't really get bloodshot. They don't usually look that hard to be honest, just for paraphernalia.

If it's an RA on duty, yes, they travel in pairs, and for safety concerns. You'd be surprised at what a guy three inches shorter than you will try to start when he's drunk. If they work as a primary-secondary pair, then, yes, they would write reports together, with the primary signing his/her name to the report.

You'd be surprised what RA's can hear, and smell. Pot, for example... every time I've smelled pot, its almost sad how obvious it is (i.e. I can smell it from the hallway, as opposed to in the cluster, and from a hundred feet away). For alcohol, it's extremely easy to smell (on your breath, clothes, etc), and in the room. Generally, as well, it's easy to smell from outside the room - depends on how they do rounds, though.

What they choose to let go is their personal preference, some RAs do, some don't. Personally, I generally let things go, unless there's an exhorbitantly large amount of alcohol or the people are being assholes.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Great post, Bravo! (applause applause)

To people who always ask for "cliff notes" or "shortened version"-stop it. Everytime a post has more than 2 paragraphs people always do that. Learn how to fvcking read. And if you don't want to read long posts, then you don't need to, just don't reply. 🙂

Ditto.

 

[Orsorum]

Nevermind, probably not comfortable answering.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
Nevermind, probably not comfortable answering.

Is that directed at me? Cause I'm not really uncomfortable with answering anything. 🙂

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Zakath15
Nevermind, probably not comfortable answering.

Is that directed at me? Cause I'm not really uncomfortable with answering anything. 🙂

No, I asked Judgement twice what university he goes to.

 

[mrCide]

you know what i don't like? why can girls hit guys but if a guy hits a girl he's taken to jail. girls can call rape to get a guy in trouble among many other things and usually they'll believe them when they're lying..

don't get me wrong, i don't approve of hitting a girl but i don't think girls should think they can just punch a guy. my ex would always hit me joking around but even if i nudged her or joked around she'd get all flustered. wtf?

anyhow, just some thoughts 🙂

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Zakath15
Nevermind, probably not comfortable answering.

Is that directed at me? Cause I'm not really uncomfortable with answering anything. 🙂

No, I asked Judgement twice what university he goes to.

Must have read through it too fast.

University of Delaware

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Zakath15
Nevermind, probably not comfortable answering.

Is that directed at me? Cause I'm not really uncomfortable with answering anything. 🙂

No, I asked Judgement twice what university he goes to.

Must have read through it too fast.

University of Delaware

I read through it again, I didn't see the name of the university in there.

U of Del Alcohol Policy

Seems fairly straightforward to me.

I don't want to be an asshole about the issue itself, since I know that wasn't entirely your point. But it does seem fairly straightforward - most of you aren't serious lawbreakers, so it baffles me when you view this as something that you're entitled to, or that you're somehow being unjustly singled out if you get caught breaking the law.

 

[Judgement]

My argument was never that my university was any worse at it then any other university, or that we are unjustly punished for breaking the law.

My argument was that I don't feel the law belongs where it currently does, because if they want us to act like adults, then we should expect to be treated like adults... yada yada yada I said this all earlier

The other posts about my individual university experience were brought up later when others that replied brought up alcohol again, it was not in my main post or part of my argument.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Judgement
My argument was never that my university was any worse at it then any other university, or that we are unjustly punished for breaking the law.

My argument was that I don't feel the law belongs where it currently does, because if they want us to act like adults, then we should expect to be treated like adults... yada yada yada I said this all earlier

Again, if you really wanted to get treated like an adult, you can move out of the res. hall system, and get cited with an MIP every time the cops get called. 😛

I can understand the rationale behind the age difference, myself, and it doesn't bother me too much. I can have a good time without drinking.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Judgement
My argument was never that my university was any worse at it then any other university, or that we are unjustly punished for breaking the law.

My argument was that I don't feel the law belongs where it currently does, because if they want us to act like adults, then we should expect to be treated like adults... yada yada yada I said this all earlier

Again, if you really wanted to get treated like an adult, you can move out of the res. hall system, and get cited with an MIP every time the cops get called. 😛

I can understand the rationale behind the age difference, myself, and it doesn't bother me too much. I can have a good time without drinking.

Of course a good time can be had without drinking, how else would anyone get by if that wasn't the case? My argument wasn't that I needed alcohol at all costs and these laws were crippling my life or whatever. Its simply about the fact that there is a double standard when it comes to expecting maturity, and being treated as an adult in return.

 

[thomsbrain]

that's probably the longest post i've ever read all the way through. i'm with you on every word. double standards bite.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
that's probably the longest post i've ever read all the way through. i'm with you on every word. double standards bite.

Ah, another believer... at least I'm not alone on this one 😎

 

[dabuddha]

Another example involves me somewhat, when it comes to drinking. Back ground info: I am a college student, I live on campus and I am not 21 yet. It is common knowledge people have parties on campus, at almost every college/university in the country. Yet, there are patrols and searches looking for nothing but alcohol. Is it just me or are they out to destroy these students lives for no real important reason? I live on campus, so I'm not driving anywhere... especially if I've been drinking. I am, in my opinion, at the beginning of my adult life. All college students are. Obviously if they are in college they care about their future, many of them have jobs, and the same stresses or perhaps even more then an older adult. Hell I have friends from high school who are in the military and have been called up recently. They particularly have every responsibility someone over 21 would have. Yet, someone needs to tell us whether we are allowed to drink or not? Isn't that a decision I should be able to make, if I'm going to be given the responsibilities of an adult, why not the freedoms? If I commit a crime, I will be convicted as an adult. You don't even need to be 18 to be convicted as an adult now, but you are treated like a child? This is a horrible double standard and it infuriates me. If someone on campus under 21 is caught on campus, it could potentially ruin their life. If they are thrown out of the college, or arrested... what are they going to do now? What if they are in the top 5% of their class, have an overwhelmingly bright future but now they're out of college, can't seem to get accepted because of their record, and are forced to a subpar job for their potential abilities? They were not hurting anyone. They were not a threat to society. They were an adult, an active member of society, and had a bright future ruined because there is a double standard placed to have them treated like a child.

sadly not true at all. and the campus police are not out to destroy student lives

you're life is not destroyed because you can't drink alcohol. If it is, then maybe that person needs to start attending AA meetings

 

[derek2034]

All I gotta say is that if you are old enough to die on a field of combat you should be old enough to do anything you damn well please. Oh yea, REPEAL TITLE IX!

 

[derek2034]

dabuddha: "campus police are not out to destroy student lives"

That doesn't mean they don't destroy student lives.

"you're life is not destroyed because you can't drink alcohol"

On its own maybe not, but any loss of individual liberty is destruction of what makes life worth living.

"If it is, then maybe that person needs to start attending AA meetings."

Ok....Mr. Self-Righteous. How about anyone who is more than 10 lbs overweight should be locked into a Center for Food Addiction & Sedentarianism? After all I don't like it.

If I only had a penny everytime a cop should have arrested himself...

 

[BennyD]

I'm a female

really?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: derek2034
dabuddha: "campus police are not out to destroy student lives"

That doesn't mean they don't destroy student lives.

"you're life is not destroyed because you can't drink alcohol"

On its own maybe not, but any loss of individual liberty is destruction of what makes life worth living.

"If it is, then maybe that person needs to start attending AA meetings."

Ok....Mr. Self-Righteous. How about anyone who is more than 10 lbs overweight should be locked into a Center for Food Addiction & Sedentarianism? After all I don't like it.

If I only had a penny everytime a cop should have arrested himself...

how exactly do they "destroy" student lives? Are you some sort of drama queen?
It's not a loss of individual liberty because they are drinking illegally to begin with. And the point about attending AA meetings is regarding to someone who thinks their life is destroyed because they can't drink alcohol

perhaps you should try reading the entire post instead of taking each piece out of context?

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Another example involves me somewhat, when it comes to drinking. Back ground info: I am a college student, I live on campus and I am not 21 yet. It is common knowledge people have parties on campus, at almost every college/university in the country. Yet, there are patrols and searches looking for nothing but alcohol. Is it just me or are they out to destroy these students lives for no real important reason? I live on campus, so I'm not driving anywhere... especially if I've been drinking. I am, in my opinion, at the beginning of my adult life. All college students are. Obviously if they are in college they care about their future, many of them have jobs, and the same stresses or perhaps even more then an older adult. Hell I have friends from high school who are in the military and have been called up recently. They particularly have every responsibility someone over 21 would have. Yet, someone needs to tell us whether we are allowed to drink or not? Isn't that a decision I should be able to make, if I'm going to be given the responsibilities of an adult, why not the freedoms? If I commit a crime, I will be convicted as an adult. You don't even need to be 18 to be convicted as an adult now, but you are treated like a child? This is a horrible double standard and it infuriates me. If someone on campus under 21 is caught on campus, it could potentially ruin their life. If they are thrown out of the college, or arrested... what are they going to do now? What if they are in the top 5% of their class, have an overwhelmingly bright future but now they're out of college, can't seem to get accepted because of their record, and are forced to a subpar job for their potential abilities? They were not hurting anyone. They were not a threat to society. They were an adult, an active member of society, and had a bright future ruined because there is a double standard placed to have them treated like a child.

sadly not true at all. and the campus police are not out to destroy student lives

you're life is not destroyed because you can't drink alcohol. If it is, then maybe that person needs to start attending AA meetings

I can legally help decide the leaders of our country, get married, have children of my own, claim bankrupcy because of credit cards, join the military and die for my country, gamble, live on my own, pay the same taxes as any adult making the same amount of money does, be convicted of crimes and spend the same amount of time in jail as any other adult, hell I could be put on death row.... god forbid I like having a drink with some buddies on the weekend

 

[derek2034]

You must not understand the concept of liberty and what the constitution stands for. A law can be made to prohibit anything, that includes things that should be very basic rights. By your logic if they made a law saying it was illegal to go to church, then not having the right to go to church is not a loss of liberty. I hardly think anyone would agree with that.

Being arrested can do much to destroy your life. Even if you are proven innocent, the time it takes to go to trial and have your record cleared will take time. Being found guilty should be self-explanatory.

 

[dolph]

what the hell is a rant?

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: dolph
what the hell is a rant?

A rant is when you basically "go off" and let off some steam about a subject that irritates you, or a subject you feel you need to address.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: derek2034
You must not understand the concept of liberty and what the constitution stands for. A law can be made to prohibit anything, that includes things that should be very basic rights. By your logic if they made a law saying it was illegal to go to church, then not having the right to go to church is not a loss of liberty. I hardly think anyone would agree with that.

Being arrested can do much to destroy your life. Even if you are proven innocent, the time it takes to go to trial and have your record cleared will take time. Being found guilty should be self-explanatory.

well if you know for a fact that what you are doing is illegal yet you insist on doing it, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
FACT: it is illegal to drink alcohol before the age of 21. There are exceptions here and there but that is a law of our land. Almost everyone that drinks is aware of this as well.

No, my logic does not dictate that if its deemed illegal, then its not a loss of liberty. I'm not too clear how you came to that incorrect assumption. And as far as drinking is concerned, I do agree that either adult status should be changed to the age of 21, or have drinking lowered to the age of 18. But I still stand on my statement that if not being able to drink "destroys" your life, then you really need to get to an AA meeting and get help.