Double standards

Judgement

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Anyone feel society is taking a downfall when it comes to double standards in our culture? I don't just mean for color... although it is apparent that is happening. I also mean when it comes to age.

To begin with, its become acceptable... at least in comedy, for racist slurs to be made regarding white people. I don't have a problem with this, I believe it is a step in the right direction to overcoming the need to even think about someone's color when you look at them. The problem is the same is not acceptable for a white comedian to be said regarding any other race. Its easy for a black comedian to talk about 'crackers' but if a white comedian used any similar term in regards to black people, I hate to think what people would think about him. This also filters down through society, not so much in adults but in teenagers etc. I know when i was in high school it was not uncommon to hear the term 'cracker' when walking down the hall. Not that it was targeted towards me, or any particular person, but from one black student to another if they were talking about a white person. If I was talking to one of my friends and used the N word, which I would have no reason to use... have never used and no reason to because I have many black friends and do not consider race a detriment to any relationship, but regardless, if I had most likely I would have ended up in a fight with someone. I don't mean a verbal fight either. Teachers walking in the halls would hear these terms being thrown about, but it didn't even phase them. Any person, that was not black using the slang version of N, would have been suspended. I never saw it come to this though, because no one said it. This, at least to me, seems like it is grounds for future problems in society.

On to age, more and more it seems responsibility is being put on younger and younger people. They are expected to act like adults at younger and younger ages. This is good, at least I think so. Examples of this are higher %s of teenagers with jobs and cars. More are preparing for higher level educations then ever before. At the same time, they are treated more and more like young children. Its as if today's teachers and people in authority of teenagers get off on a power trip. I am no longer in high school, but it was not uncommon for me and my friends to want to leave for lunch. This was an acceptable policy for students when my parents went to school but now its ground for suspension for leaving school grounds. If I am an active member of society, paying taxes, contributing to the economy with purchases, I own a car... but I can't be allowed to decide if I should go out for lunch why should I bother stepping up and acting like the adult you want me to be? Take the responsibility but not he priviladges? Is that what is expected now?

Another example involves me somewhat, when it comes to drinking. Back ground info: I am a college student, I live on campus and I am not 21 yet. It is common knowledge people have parties on campus, at almost every college/university in the country. Yet, there are patrols and searches looking for nothing but alcohol. Is it just me or are they out to destroy these students lives for no real important reason? I live on campus, so I'm not driving anywhere... especially if I've been drinking. I am, in my opinion, at the beginning of my adult life. All college students are. Obviously if they are in college they care about their future, many of them have jobs, and the same stresses or perhaps even more then an older adult. Hell I have friends from high school who are in the military and have been called up recently. They particularly have every responsibility someone over 21 would have. Yet, someone needs to tell us whether we are allowed to drink or not? Isn't that a decision I should be able to make, if I'm going to be given the responsibilities of an adult, why not the freedoms? If I commit a crime, I will be convicted as an adult. You don't even need to be 18 to be convicted as an adult now, but you are treated like a child? This is a horrible double standard and it infuriates me. If someone on campus under 21 is caught on campus, it could potentially ruin their life. If they are thrown out of the college, or arrested... what are they going to do now? What if they are in the top 5% of their class, have an overwhelmingly bright future but now they're out of college, can't seem to get accepted because of their record, and are forced to a subpar job for their potential abilities? They were not hurting anyone. They were not a threat to society. They were an adult, an active member of society, and had a bright future ruined because there is a double standard placed to have them treated like a child.

How about a gender specific double standard, such as weight? Its obvious that it is much more acceptable for a male to be overweight compared to a female of the same weight, assuming they are of similar height etc. Its not impossible for a big boned friend of mine to get a date, but for an overweight female to get one seems to be overwhelmingly difficult. I'm a female or overweight though so I can't comment too much, just what I've seen.

Another one for gender. Women have made leaps and bounds when it comes to playing sports and being allowed to do the same things that were previously restricted to men. In high school there was even a female on my football team, and she was generally accepted and was not harassed at all. Do you know what kind of verbal punishment a boy trying to join the volleyball team or the field hockey team would have received? Females are getting the benefits without the responsibilities. I don't think I will ever see females being brought into the draft in my lifetime, and I don't see a problem with this but does that make it right? Not all military positions require physical activities, yet only the lives of men are put at risk. When I brought this up on another forum I was called a sexist. That boggles my mind, it seems some women want the benefits of being equal, and only the responsibilities that come with it unless of course its convenient for them. I am not sexist, I am all for freedoms for anyone, just not them getting the easy way out with the benefits without the downside of them (this is not all women by far of course). If there is a stay at home husband/father, and a working mother... why can't their be a stay at home husband/father and a drafted mother? The reason is we are not equal in everyway, and never will be. There are slight exceptions, some women are as strong as men, but for the majority there is a drastic difference. Why must we try to force the idea that we are all equal, and just accept that each gender is different, and brings a different skill set to the table? Then we could embrace these differences and take advantage of them. Then of course there is that absurd law about having equal numbers of female/male athletes in college sports..... I don't even want to think about that anymore.

These double standards exist, and are not going away any time soon, because as a society we have slipped into a gutter and there is nothing a single person, or even a sizable group of people can do about it to change things.

I'm interested in hearing your experiences and opinions. These of course are not the only double standards that exist, just ones that I've experienced so far in my life. I'd like to hear which ones bother you and why. Or if you'd just like to comment on what I've said because you agree/disagree then I'd love to read it also.
 

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Another example involves me somewhat, when it comes to drinking. Back ground info: I am a college student, I live on campus and I am not 21 yet. It is common knowledge people have parties on campus, at almost every college/university in the country. Yet, there are patrols and searches looking for nothing but alcohol. Is it just me or are they out to destroy these students lives for no real important reason? I live on campus, so I'm not driving anywhere... especially if I've been drinking. I am, in my opinion, at the beginning of my adult life. All college students are. Obviously if they are in college they care about their future, many of them have jobs, and the same stresses or perhaps even more then an older adult. Hell I have friends from high school who are in the military and have been called up recently. They particularly have every responsibility someone over 21 would have. Yet, someone needs to tell us whether we are allowed to drink or not? Isn't that a decision I should be able to make, if I'm going to be given the responsibilities of an adult, why not the freedoms? If I commit a crime, I will be convicted as an adult. You don't even need to be 18 to be convicted as an adult now, but you are treated like a child? This is a horrible double standard and it infuriates me. If someone on campus under 21 is caught on campus, it could potentially ruin their life. If they are thrown out of the college, or arrested... what are they going to do now? What if they are in the top 5% of their class, have an overwhelmingly bright future but now they're out of college, can't seem to get accepted because of their record, and are forced to a subpar job for their potential abilities? They were not hurting anyone. They were not a threat to society. They were an adult, an active member of society, and had a bright future ruined because there is a double standard placed to have them treated like a child.

Resident Advisers go on duty to make sure that the residence hall is safe, that no one has spontaneously passed out in their cluster, etc etc. You don't realize it until you get hammered and fall off a balcony, or get into a fight, or get alcohol poisoning - the rules exist for your safety.

Regardless, you're also breaking a state law - you're actually more sheltered on campus than you would be off. MIP and MIC's can last for a long time on your record; a disciplinary record from your college can have far less consequences.
 

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I agree with most of that accept the drinking on campus, maybe thats because I dont drink. The volleyball bit definetly hits me hard though, I used to be a wrestler and we had females on our wrestling team (which I think is BS, considering the type of sport wrestling is) I had a pretty major knee injury and decided not to wrestle my senior year. I probably would have ruined my knee really bad if I did. So I wanted to play volleyball, along with a few other guys. We asked if we could tryout and they said no. We even pushed it but they gave us a bunch of BS about how if we wanted to play volleyball we had to start a guys team. Well who the $$$$ are we gonna play? They don't have any guys highschool volleyball teams anywhere. So why are we not allowed to play volleyball, but girls can wrestle? Doesn't make sense to me. If you want equal rights, then for the love of God give us equal rights.


The race thing also comes into play in my life alot. I live in a small city where 99% is white. Alot of my friends are real good people, not racist at all, but when we talk we say "awesome dude" and other stuff like that. None of us are racist at all, infact IMO race is nothing. I would date a black girl just as fast as I would a white, infact I think there should be more interracial relationships. There is no difference between people, so why do we have different rulesets? And whats up with this BET? Black Entertainment Television. I don't mind it, infact I watch it :) But what if there was a WET? ( Not like that!) White Entertainment TV, Im sure there would be alot of problems and cries about racism etc.


Just my opinions though.
 

Colt45

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i ony read the first portion, but i find more people saying 'n*gger' than 'cracker'. Its usually in a friendly way though (and oddly enough its usually from one white guy to another white guy), i guess its from rap, mostly..
 

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Originally posted by: Colt45
i ony read the first portion, but i find more people saying 'n*gger' than 'cracker'. Its usually in a friendly way though (and oddly enough its usually from one white guy to another white guy), i guess its from rap, mostly..

Dude exactly

 

Judgement

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I wasn't referring to what you mentioned. I have no problem of it being used between friends in a non-derogatory way.

Where I went to HS the % white was roughly the same as the % black, with hispanics falling slightly behind both. The word 'cracker' was used frequently to put down, and sometimes cause fights in the school.

The word n*gga was used between white and black people who were friends, without any problems. I would say the world 'cracker' was used in the same way a white person would use the word n*gger to a black person in the situations I mentioned in my original post.
 

Judgement

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Eh yea I guess it is kinda long...

I couldn't address it in that many fewer words then I have though, oh well hopefully someone will take the time to read it and reply with their feelings.
 

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I actually read it all, and there are some good points being made. Especially the ones about drinking, it makes no sense in my mind for people who are full adults in almost every regard except vice laws. It just screams of dictating morality. But then again, I'm a libertarian on social issues.

However, social double standards are always going to exist. You can't change how people feel about weight and things like that. That's simply how our culture is, and there is little you can do.

Finally, I agree that it's absurd with how equal we have to be in sports. There are sports for guys and sports for girls. Girls should not be playing football, and guys should not be playing field hockey. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable having to tackle or block some girl, or pin her while wrestling. If the interest is there, start up their own leagues. One question though: where do you guys live that volleyball is only a girls sport? Every school around where I live (NY) has both a girls and a boys team.
 

bmacd

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Nice essay :) I read the first paragraph...i'll catch the rest tonight.

-=bmacd=-
 

CTho9305

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At my school the campus police generally look the other way WRT alcohol / drinking.

We also have a policy that if someone is in trouble (e.g. alcohol poisoning / injury), neither they nor anyone who calls the campus police and stays with the person will get in trouble. You will, however, be busted if you call the police and then leave the person alone before they arrive.
 

jteef

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what kind of school do you go to that a minor in possession infraction gets you kicked out and your life ruined?

I know an awful lot of people who got DUI's, MIP's, contributing to the delinquency of minors, etc in school and it was generally not a big deal, other than the costs involved in paying for it.

A DUI is not going to prevent you from getting a job unless you are trying to work for something like the CIA or military.
 

Judgement

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Originally posted by: jteef
what kind of school do you go to that a minor in possession infraction gets you kicked out and your life ruined?

I know an awful lot of people who got DUI's, MIP's, contributing to the delinquency of minors, etc in school and it was generally not a big deal, other than the costs involved in paying for it.

A DUI is not going to prevent you from getting a job unless you are trying to work for something like the CIA or military.

Possession won't necessarily get you kicked out, but they handle it from case to case. Most of the time first offense doesn't get you kicked out but its been known to happen.

I didn't mean to make it sound like getting a DUI would ruin your life because you couldn't get a job etc, what I was going for is that if you get thrown out of school... especially people who are instate or have scholarships that cannot afford to go to a different school, would have an EXTREME detriment to their future for only a minor offense. I can't imagine what I personally would do right now if I was suddenly thrown out of school. My only immediate option would be to appeal I guess.

We also have a policy that if someone is in trouble (e.g. alcohol poisoning / injury), neither they nor anyone who calls the campus police and stays with the person will get in trouble. You will, however, be busted if you call the police and then leave the person alone before they arrive.

I think my school has a similar policy, although its nothing written down. I think they could still get you if they really wanted to. At my school they definately don't look the other way, most RAs won't knock on a closed door unless you are excessively loud, but the campus police, and county/city/state police that have a habit of patrolling the campus more then anywhere else I've ever seen don't seem to have a problem with busting anything and everything up, and testing random people even if they don't have any real reason to believe they are intoxicated, simply because they aren't a full fledged adult. RAs vary from person to person, the RA on my floor is cool but the other ones in my building (all the resident assitents in the building rotate on the weekends and patrol all the floors for the night) bother everyone, even into the early morning if they see lights on. I've seen more then one room on my floor get busted because they opened up their door around 2am on a saturday night without checking who it was first. They just opened it instinctively because it was only 3-4 people, they werent being loud... no music or anything, and had no reason to believe it would be an RA. Now we all make sure to check before opening the door...
 

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Originally posted by: Judgement
Originally posted by: jteef
what kind of school do you go to that a minor in possession infraction gets you kicked out and your life ruined?

I know an awful lot of people who got DUI's, MIP's, contributing to the delinquency of minors, etc in school and it was generally not a big deal, other than the costs involved in paying for it.

A DUI is not going to prevent you from getting a job unless you are trying to work for something like the CIA or military.

Possession won't necessarily get you kicked out, but they handle it from case to case. Most of the time first offense doesn't get you kicked out but its been known to happen.

I didn't mean to make it sound like getting a DUI would ruin your life because you couldn't get a job etc, what I was going for is that if you get thrown out of school... especially people who are instate or have scholarships that cannot afford to go to a different school, would have an EXTREME detriment to their future for only a minor offense. I can't imagine what I personally would do right now if I was suddenly thrown out of school. My only immediate option would be to appeal I guess.

We also have a policy that if someone is in trouble (e.g. alcohol poisoning / injury), neither they nor anyone who calls the campus police and stays with the person will get in trouble. You will, however, be busted if you call the police and then leave the person alone before they arrive.

I think my school has a similar policy, although its nothing written down. I think they could still get you if they really wanted to. At my school they definately don't look the other way, most RAs won't knock on a closed door unless you are excessively loud, but the campus police, and county/city/state police that have a habit of patrolling the campus more then anywhere else I've ever seen don't seem to have a problem with busting anything and everything up, and testing random people even if they don't have any real reason to believe they are intoxicated, simply because they aren't a full fledged adult. RAs vary from person to person, the RA on my floor is cool but the other ones in my building (all the resident assitents in the building rotate on the weekends and patrol all the floors for the night) bother everyone, even into the early morning if they see lights on. I've seen more then one room on my floor get busted because they opened up their door around 2am on a saturday night without checking who it was first. They just opened it instinctively because it was only 3-4 people, they werent being loud... no music or anything, and had no reason to believe it would be an RA. Now we all make sure to check before opening the door...

You're required by your housing contract to open the door, regardless of who it is (if they identify themselves as an RA, RD or police officer). If you slam the door shut and refuse to answer, they'll just call the cops and have them come up. Then, you get cited for an MIP (sometimes), noncompliance with a university official, and the originally rather minor alcohol offense.

The cops aren't as bad as you think, although there are bad apples. If they have suspicion to question you, they will.
 

Judgement

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Judgement
Originally posted by: jteef
what kind of school do you go to that a minor in possession infraction gets you kicked out and your life ruined?

I know an awful lot of people who got DUI's, MIP's, contributing to the delinquency of minors, etc in school and it was generally not a big deal, other than the costs involved in paying for it.

A DUI is not going to prevent you from getting a job unless you are trying to work for something like the CIA or military.

Possession won't necessarily get you kicked out, but they handle it from case to case. Most of the time first offense doesn't get you kicked out but its been known to happen.

I didn't mean to make it sound like getting a DUI would ruin your life because you couldn't get a job etc, what I was going for is that if you get thrown out of school... especially people who are instate or have scholarships that cannot afford to go to a different school, would have an EXTREME detriment to their future for only a minor offense. I can't imagine what I personally would do right now if I was suddenly thrown out of school. My only immediate option would be to appeal I guess.

We also have a policy that if someone is in trouble (e.g. alcohol poisoning / injury), neither they nor anyone who calls the campus police and stays with the person will get in trouble. You will, however, be busted if you call the police and then leave the person alone before they arrive.

I think my school has a similar policy, although its nothing written down. I think they could still get you if they really wanted to. At my school they definately don't look the other way, most RAs won't knock on a closed door unless you are excessively loud, but the campus police, and county/city/state police that have a habit of patrolling the campus more then anywhere else I've ever seen don't seem to have a problem with busting anything and everything up, and testing random people even if they don't have any real reason to believe they are intoxicated, simply because they aren't a full fledged adult. RAs vary from person to person, the RA on my floor is cool but the other ones in my building (all the resident assitents in the building rotate on the weekends and patrol all the floors for the night) bother everyone, even into the early morning if they see lights on. I've seen more then one room on my floor get busted because they opened up their door around 2am on a saturday night without checking who it was first. They just opened it instinctively because it was only 3-4 people, they werent being loud... no music or anything, and had no reason to believe it would be an RA. Now we all make sure to check before opening the door...

You're required by your housing contract to open the door, regardless of who it is (if they identify themselves as an RA, RD or police officer). If you slam the door shut and refuse to answer, they'll just call the cops and have them come up. Then, you get cited for an MIP (sometimes), noncompliance with a university official, and the originally rather minor alcohol offense.

The cops aren't as bad as you think, although there are bad apples. If they have suspicion to question you, they will.

The idea isn't to keep them out, its to move things out of vision before they enter the room.
 

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Originally posted by: Judgement


The idea isn't to keep them out, its to move things out of vision before they enter the room.

Hahaha, that made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

You think we can't hear the bottles clinking? Or the frantic whispers as you try to hide it? Or the smell of alcohol exuding from your room, clothes and person? Your bloodshot eyes?

The actual bottles are the least of our worries. All that means (you hiding the bottles) is that we get to add a nice little footnote to our reports that says "non-compliant". Most higher ups love that.
 

CTho9305

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My friend got locked out of his room one friday night and there were drunk people EVERYWHERE... when the campus police came to let him back into his room the drunks were SOOOOO scared. It was really funny :) (They let him into his room and left.)
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: CTho9305
My friend got locked out of his room one friday night and there were drunk people EVERYWHERE... when the campus police came to let him back into his room the drunks were SOOOOO scared. It was really funny :) (They let him into his room and left.)

Hahaha, yeah... drunk people are hilarious to watch.