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Double Clutching

TheLonelyPhoenix

Diamond Member
Does double-clutching with a synchomesh tranny really improve preformance in a race (lets say a straight quarter mile)? It seems like the extra time to let off the clutch and push back in again between shifts would make for slower transitions, whereas "normal" shifting straight between gears would save time and let you run power back to your wheels immediately.

Google is throwing back mixed answers, so I'm putting the question out here.
 
You guys will sit around and have a flame fest over whether an Acura RSX-S would beat a Trans Am on the track, yet none of you know how to drive your cars? 😛

I'm not letting this die fruitlessly...
 
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
You guys will sit around and have a flame fest over whether an Acura RSX-S would beat a Trans Am on the track, yet none of you know how to drive your cars? 😛

I'm not letting this die fruitlessly...

LOL, you don't get a reply after 7 mins so you say your not letting your thread die. LOL 😛
 
Back in the days of muscle cars it helped, but unless you have an old car its not worth it. The new transmissions compensate for double clutching.
 
You could cause danger to your manifold.

Let's race two identical cars. You're shifting twice per gear, I'm shifting once. Who's going to win? 😛

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Does double-clutching with a synchomesh tranny really improve preformance in a race (lets say a straight quarter mile)? It seems like the extra time to let off the clutch and push back in again between shifts would make for slower transitions, whereas "normal" shifting straight between gears would save time and let you run power back to your wheels immediately.

Google is throwing back mixed answers, so I'm putting the question out here.

.1 on a quarter in my old 'vic was how much faster I got outta doublin' up, my average was prolly lower though, as it is easier to miss a shift
 
Doesn't do squat for making it faster. Takes time to do. If the transmission is not in gear, and the clutch is not engaged, 0 power is getting to the ground. No power==no accelleration. Drag is still in effect though, it's always bringing you down.
 
You almost had me? You never had me - you never had your car...

Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake! Now me and the mad scientist gotta rip apart the block, and replace the piston rings you fried....

If it was in The Fast and the Furious, it MUST be true!
 
Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
dont even use the clutch, just slam the thing into gears.

messed up a few gearboxes haven't we.

generally isn't double-clutching used for redline control downshifting?
 
First, no one should double-clutch a synchomesh transmission for upshifts. Anyone who actually double-clutches upshifts is a n00b poseur who probably watched F&F too many times.

More important than double-clutching is proper rev-matching. But on modern synchromesh transmissions used on the street, both techniques are most important for increasing the life of your clutch and transmission, and then ONLY for downshifting. Neither technique is really going to improve actual performance on the street, but it will reduce wear and tear on the equipment.

On the track, proper double-clutching and rev-matching is crucial for improving vehicle stability at high speeds and under hard braking and cornering. Think of it... you're approaching a corner at 80mph and preparing to downshift from 4th into 3rd, where the engine rpm will increase (for example) from 4k to 6k. Simply slamming gears could easily lead to compression lock and unseat the vehicle's stability, leading to disaster. Here, proper downshifting techniques do improve performance, by allowing the driver to maintain a higher level of vehicle stability at higher speeds.

Originally posted by: chowmein
generally isn't double-clutching used for redline control downshifting?
Bingo. 🙂
 
Dont do it on a newer car... waste of time...

If you do try it, the floor board might fly out of the bottom of your car... ...seriously...
 
Double clutching is used to get the transmission to the right speed before DOWNSHIFTING. There's no point in doing that when you are upshifting because the transmission parts will slow down anyway once you clutch.
 
Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
You guys will sit around and have a flame fest over whether an Acura RSX-S would beat a Trans Am on the track, yet none of you know how to drive your cars? 😛

I'm not letting this die fruitlessly...

LOL, you don't get a reply after 7 mins so you say your not letting your thread die. LOL 😛

That's about as long as it takes, was already down around page 3.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
First, no one should double-clutch a synchomesh transmission for upshifts. Anyone who actually double-clutches upshifts is a n00b poseur who probably watched F&F too many times.

More important that double-clutching is proper rev-matching. But on modern synchromesh transmissions used on the street, both techniques are most important for increasing the life of your clutch and transmission, and then ONLY for downshifting. Neither technique is really going to improve actual performance for the street, but it will reduce wear and tear on the equipment.

On the track, proper double-clutching and rev-matching is crucial for improving vehicle stability at high speeds and under hard braking and cornering. Think of it... you're approaching a corner at 80mph and preparing to downshift from 4th into 3rd, where the engine rpm will increase (for example) from 4k to 6k. Simply slamming gears could easily lead to compression lock and unseat the vehicle's stability, leading to disaster. Here, proper downshifting techniques do improve performance, by allowing the driver to maintain a higher level of vehicle stability at higher speeds.

Originally posted by: chowmein
generally isn't double-clutching used for redline control downshifting?
Bingo. 🙂

Assuming your example track car still has a synchomesh tranny, why is double clutching on the downshift necessary? You might be able to do it just to do it in the time it takes to rev match but if you're already heel-toeing... what's the point? 😕
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
You almost had me? You never had me - you never had your car...

Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake! Now me and the mad scientist gotta rip apart the block, and replace the piston rings you fried....

If it was in The Fast and the Furious, it MUST be true!

Man, I didn't even remember this part. 🙂 God, that movie was so terrible...
 
Originally posted by: Vic
First, no one should double-clutch a synchomesh transmission for upshifts. Anyone who actually double-clutches upshifts is a n00b poseur who probably watched F&F too many times.

More important than double-clutching is proper rev-matching. But on modern synchromesh transmissions used on the street, both techniques are most important for increasing the life of your clutch and transmission, and then ONLY for downshifting. Neither technique is really going to improve actual performance on the street, but it will reduce wear and tear on the equipment.

On the track, proper double-clutching and rev-matching is crucial for improving vehicle stability at high speeds and under hard braking and cornering. Think of it... you're approaching a corner at 80mph and preparing to downshift from 4th into 3rd, where the engine rpm will increase (for example) from 4k to 6k. Simply slamming gears could easily lead to compression lock and unseat the vehicle's stability, leading to disaster. Here, proper downshifting techniques do improve performance, by allowing the driver to maintain a higher level of vehicle stability at higher speeds.

Originally posted by: chowmein
generally isn't double-clutching used for redline control downshifting?
Bingo. 🙂

Thanks, this is what I thought, just wanted to be sure. Everyone, Google-bomb this thread for the term "double clutch", please, so no other unfortunate souls can have their ignorance exposed as well. 😛
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: chowmein
they should burn every copy of F&F

Come on now, be a good sport. Its entertaining enough to be worthwhile. Not so sure about the 2nd one though.

It's entertaining in the same way seeing Skywalker or WayneTek post a YAGT was entertaining.
 
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