DOT: Delta not allowed to ban pit bulls as service animals

[s0me0nesmind1]

Suggesting that all pit bulls are all evil and out of control is akin to suggesting certain human races are evil and out of control.

I used to live with a staffordshire terrier that was one of the sweetest dogs I've ever known. I also watched the akita that I lived with at that same time kill a cat without hesitation.

"It's all just from bad dog owners!"

 

[blackangst1]

"It's all just from bad dog owners!"

You understand these stats are skewed...right? How about find a list of breeds most often trained for fighting. It'll put your list into perspective.

 

[Zorba]

"It's all just from bad dog owners!"

I'd like to see the chart for attacks requiring hospitalization and disfigured for life. I think you'd really see a runaway there.

 

[cytg111]

You understand these stats are skewed...right? How about find a list of breeds most often trained for fighting. It'll put your list into perspective.

Is it skewed enough to invalidate the point? If not, what is your point exactly?

 

[BUTCH1]

Is it skewed enough to invalidate the point? If not, what is your point exactly?

What he's saying is cheap, untrained Pitt bulls are all over the place vs dogs like a German Sheppard that are expensive to buy. Given that, (and the tendency for the poorer owners not training/socializing them) Pitt bull's will always have the worst of stats.

 

[blackangst1]

Is it skewed enough to invalidate the point? If not, what is your point exactly?

Yes it is.

 

[zzyzxroad]

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You understand these stats are skewed...right? How about find a list of breeds most often trained for fighting. It'll put your list into perspective.

They are not just raised to fight they were bread to fight for hundreds of years.

 

[BUTCH1]

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They are not just raised to fight they were bread to fight for hundreds of years.

Correct, among other uses. Animals (back then anyway) were culled if they showed human aggression.

 

[blackangst1]

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They are not just raised to fight they were bread to fight for hundreds of years.

As were many other breeds.

 

[zzyzxroad]

As were many other breeds.

What solution do you propose to correct the stats listed in that chart?

 

[blackangst1]

What solution do you propose to correct the stats listed in that chart?

Education.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yea, I had seen that before, funny as hell, these things are close to indestructible.

I have great respect for anything that can be bitten by a Cobra multiple times and then kill and eat the cobra.

 

[cytg111]

Yes it is.

Its a mystery to me how some people cant add up the facts... Ill try again, even IF, why does it matter?

 

[trenchfoot]

I can't count how many times I've seen dog owners flippantly excuse their dog's aggressive misbehavior against people within their range with the "Oh gosh, my dog has never behaved like that before, what did you do to provoke it?"

 

[Puffnstuff]

Does this mean that my comfort giraffe cannot fly with me anymore? 😛

 

[dawp]

Does this mean that my comfort giraffe cannot fly with me anymore? 😛

phhhhht!! I need my support humpback whale.

 

[cytg111]

Your blowing...

Dude.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Does this mean that my comfort giraffe cannot fly with me anymore? 😛

You can if you fly air Barnum or air Noah.

The other companies won't stick their neck out for you 😛

 

[zzyzxroad]

Education.

Of who and by who?

 

[Puffnstuff]

You can if you fly air Barnum or air Noah.

The other companies won't stick their neck out for you 😛

So much for the no comfort animal left behind policy..... Personally I believe that all comfort animals should be of the stuffed variety, aka teddy bears, so nobody gets offended or bitten.🙂 This business has gotten out of hand.

If live animals are going to be permitted then there should be some realistic breed and size limits so they can remain in their owners laps during a flight without infringing on the passenger next to them.

Where are all of the 2A supporters at now? 😱 Remember kids, a well regulated aircraft being necessary to the security of good flight, the right of the passenger to sit undisturbed shall not be infringed.😛

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Education.

There is no amount of education that will reverse the genetic engineering which was done to these animals. Individual variation in dogs along with proper training is mitigating but not curative. These dogs are purpose-built for what they do and attacking is their nature. Again some individual dogs could be wonderful and safe pets, but that would be an exception to what they were meant for. It's a science thing.

As far as looking at animals for fighting that's far besides the point. It comes down to which are the most dangerous. If you want to compare specific killing and mauling animals that's fine. Why don't you do that as it may be informative. Dobies are feared by many yet hardly in the same league as pit bulls with unwanted attacks.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So much for the no comfort animal left behind policy..... Personally I believe that all comfort animals should be of the stuffed variety, aka teddy bears, so nobody gets offended or bitten.🙂 This business has gotten out of hand.

If live animals are going to be permitted then there should be some realistic breed and size limits so they can remain in their owners laps during a flight without infringing on the passenger next to them.

Where are all of the 2A supporters at now? 😱 Remember kids, a well regulated aircraft being necessary to the security of good flight, the right of the passenger to sit undisturbed shall not be infringed.😛

I think its a bit out of hand, and it's the airlines right to not allow unlicensed service animals, aka emotional support animal, on the plane.

Animals to aid or overcome with physical conditions, like seeing eye dogs, should be allowed. Those pets go thru extensive training to be around the general population.

For reference, I hate flying, it causes great anxiety. I dont do it often, but when I do I may be inclined to toss back a couple Dramamine (no alcohol) to help. I only say this so people know I get it. I just won't be dragging any old pet onto the plane with me.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think its a bit out of hand, and it's the airlines right to not allow unlicensed service animals, aka emotional support animal, on the plane.

Animals to aid or overcome with physical conditions, like seeing eye dogs, should be allowed. Those pets go thru extensive training to be around the general population.

For reference, I hate flying, it causes great anxiety. I dont do it often, but when I do I may be inclined to toss back a couple Dramamine (no alcohol) to help.

Roll a spliff?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Roll a spliff?

Haha, dunno if that would help or not

 

[SlowSpyder]

Unlike humans, dogs have been bred over many, many generations for specific traits. Pointers are bred to point, herders are bred to herd and terriers are bred to dig, etc. Feel free to try and argue this isn't true. Humans haven't been bred for specific traits, and even if someone tried it would be non-viable because of how long it takes for a new generation to be born. Dogs can start having puppies in under two years, humans take far longer. Even if we assume people always have kids at age 16, that's still less than ten full generations from the emancipation proclamation to now.

Just because a dog is a pitt doesn't mean it's dangerous, but the breed causes a frightfully high percentage of fatal dog attacks compared to their small size in the dog population. Which is probably because they were bred for fighting (and no, they're not 'nanny dogs').

Pit bulls have not been bred to attack humans. So what does your argument have to do with comparing pit bull prejudice to racism, or reasoning for wanting the breed banned on flights?

Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull#Dog_attack_risk

Violent interactions between humans and canines have been studied by the U.S. government,[30] notably the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC),[31] as well as academic veterinary researchers.[1] The interpretation of these studies, breed identification and relevance[32] issues, and variable circumstances have given rise to intense controversy.[33][34][35]

In a 2014 literature review of dog bite studies, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) states that breed is a poor sole predictor of dog bites.[36] Controlled studies have not identified pit bulls as disproportionately dangerous. Pit bull-type dogs are more frequently identified with cases involving very severe injuries or fatalities than other breeds, but the review suggests this may relate to the popularity of the breed, noting that sled dogs, such as Siberian Huskies, were involved in a majority of fatal dog attacks in some areas of Canada.[1]