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DOT: Delta not allowed to ban pit bulls as service animals

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JEDIYoda said:
Actually not any doctor can say you need an emotional support animal! I believe the aeticle that i read stated it must come from a mental health expert that you are seeing on a regular basis!!
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That won't stop people from faking it.
 
SlowSpyder said:
OP, so dogs are ok to stereotype based on what kind of breed it is, but doing something similar with humans would be Nazi racist ultimate evil, right? Some of you show an incredible amount of hypocrisy. I have a pit/lab mix, you couldn't imagine a better family dog.
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Unlike humans, dogs have been bred over many, many generations for specific traits. Pointers are bred to point, herders are bred to herd and terriers are bred to dig, etc. Feel free to try and argue this isn't true. Humans haven't been bred for specific traits, and even if someone tried it would be non-viable because of how long it takes for a new generation to be born. Dogs can start having puppies in under two years, humans take far longer. Even if we assume people always have kids at age 16, that's still less than ten full generations from the emancipation proclamation to now.

Just because a dog is a pitt doesn't mean it's dangerous, but the breed causes a frightfully high percentage of fatal dog attacks compared to their small size in the dog population. Which is probably because they were bred for fighting (and no, they're not 'nanny dogs').
 
compuwiz1 said:
Anyone can go to a doctor and claim they need an "emotional" support animal these days. Service dog is a thing of the past.
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Emotional support animals and service dogs are not remotely the same thing. Service dogs are animals that have gone through extensive training and selection to perform a work function. Emotional support animals are pets with a letter from a therapist.
 
JEDIYoda said:
True and I hope the airlines are proactive and demand that people show up way before the flight to have the so called support animal observed....
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That's actually not allowed. My wife had her pug certified as an ESA and we travelled with her in a flight. Gate agents dont want anything to do with them, wouldnt even touch the letter we brought. Asking too many questions can violate HIPAA, they're essentially a prescription.
 
SlowSpyder said:
OP, so dogs are ok to stereotype based on what kind of breed it is, but doing something similar with humans would be Nazi racist ultimate evil, right? Some of you show an incredible amount of hypocrisy. I have a pit/lab mix, you couldn't imagine a better family dog.
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If your dog hurts or kill somebody I think you ought to be euthanized with it.
 
Paratus said:
I’m not worried. I’m sure my emotional support animal will take care of those emotional support pit bulls with no problem if they act up.

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Actually, no, I've owned a pitt for 15 years, even as a smaller example, (64lbs) they are incredibly strong. Mine never had any issues with people but problems arose when someone walking a poodle off-leash charged her. At 210lbs it was all I could do to get her off the ground to avoid the poodle getting mauled. The Honey Badger is a fearless critter with a wicked set of claws but it would fail trying to subdue a pit bull. Oh, I don't think having a pitt on an airplane is good idea, there are too many idiots that own them and they've had zero training, with their set of teeth and jowl muscles it would be a nightmare on an airplane if things went bad.
 
Pit bulls are great dogs as long as they have been properly trained. The reason pit bulls have a bad reputation is because a large number of pit bull owners either do not have their dogs properly trained or, in many cases, intentionally have them improperly trained.
Unfortunately, I have personally witnessed the latter doing volunteer work for a local animal rescue. Many misguided people are under the false impression that a 'mean dog' is a better guard dog, and turn otherwise good dogs into monsters.

However, that being said, it can be assumed that any genuine certified service animal has been properly trained.
 
BUTCH1 said:
Actually, no, I've owned a pitt for 15 years, even as a smaller example, (64lbs) they are incredibly strong. Mine never had any issues with people but problems arose when someone walking a poodle off-leash charged her. At 210lbs it was all I could do to get her off the ground to avoid the poodle getting mauled. The Honey Badger is a fearless critter with a wicked set of claws but it would fail trying to subdue a pit bull. Oh, I don't think having a pitt on an airplane is good idea, there are too many idiots that own them and they've had zero training, with their set of teeth and jowl muscles it would be a nightmare on an airplane if things went bad.
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Wolverines/Badgers/Honey Badgers deal with wolves, hyenas, and bears. A pit bull is not going to intimidate them. It won't "take it down" (because they're not going to try and kill and eat a fucking pit bull) but if you think a pit bull is gonna get the upper hand you do not know what you're talking about. A honey badger would fucking dismember you just to get away from the dog.
 
BUTCH1 said:
Actually, no, I've owned a pitt for 15 years, even as a smaller example, (64lbs) they are incredibly strong. Mine never had any issues with people but problems arose when someone walking a poodle off-leash charged her. At 210lbs it was all I could do to get her off the ground to avoid the poodle getting mauled. The Honey Badger is a fearless critter with a wicked set of claws but it would fail trying to subdue a pit bull. Oh, I don't think having a pitt on an airplane is good idea, there are too many idiots that own them and they've had zero training, with their set of teeth and jowl muscles it would be a nightmare on an airplane if things went bad.
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Your blowing smoke out your ass!! A Honey badger or even a Wolverine would rip apart your pit!!!
 
DrDoug said:
On my street there are seven pit bulls, five of them have come in our garage to attack our cats. One idiot tried to excuse his dog attacking our cat by saying "He plays with my Mom's cat". I told him "That wasn't playing". It fucking ridiculous that these idiots think "NO!" is a leash. I've kicked three of the damned things, one in the head, as it was trying to get at our cats under our car in the garage. None of the owners walk their dogs so they are just boiling over with energy every time they let them loose. Not one is ever leashed, ever.

You think they are sweet dogs? You can have them.
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I have several friends with pit bulls and I think they can be great dogs when properly owned and cared for. That being said, it does require that you get off your ass and train and exercise them regularly.

In regards to your problem, a 12 gauge with buck shot will fix your problem right up. Doesn't even need to be semi automatic, and over and under should do just fine.
 
Wuzup101 said:
I have several friends with pit bulls and I think they can be great dogs when properly owned and cared for. That being said, it does require that you get off your ass and train and exercise them regularly.

In regards to your problem, a 12 gauge with buck shot will fix your problem right up. Doesn't even need to be semi automatic, and over and under should do just fine.
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The worst problem is that the owners are too busy living life to properly care for and train the dogs (and clean up their damned back yards, fucking stench is so bad we can't use ours). The dogs around here rarely to never get exercised/walked, so they are wound up tighter than an 8 day watch and ready to go off in a heartbeat when their owners let them out without a leash (to get in the truck/car). That's when they attack our cats.

One funny one was I heard yapping and looked out of the garage to see the tiny dachshund from across the street was chasing our cat, Stewie, down our sidewalk. What was hilarious was the tiny dog's claws were furiously clicking on the sidewalk and he was hardly going anywhere with his short legs pumping away at it, all the while yapping and yapping away. Our 16 pound cat was doing a slightly fast walk toward the house and easily staying ahead of Petey (the doggie). Stewie's ears were cranked back and the look on his face that looked like "Really?"

Now that was funny. 😀
 
DrDoug said:
The worst problem is that the owners are too busy living life to properly care for and train the dogs (and clean up their damned back yards, fucking stench is so bad we can't use ours). The dogs around here rarely to never get exercised/walked, so they are wound up tighter than an 8 day watch and ready to go off in a heartbeat when their owners let them out without a leash (to get in the truck/car). That's when they attack our cats.

One funny one was I heard yapping and looked out of the garage to see the tiny dachshund from across the street was chasing our cat, Stewie, down our sidewalk. What was hilarious was the tiny dog's claws were furiously clicking on the sidewalk and he was hardly going anywhere with his short legs pumping away at it, all the while yapping and yapping away. Our 16 pound cat was doing a slightly fast walk toward the house and easily staying ahead of Petey (the doggie). Stewie's ears were cranked back and the look on his face that looked like "Really?"

Now that was funny. 😀
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When I was a kid there was this mean GSD that lived in the house at the end of our street. This dog used to always get out and terrorize the neighborhood. There was once an old lady that came screaming to our door and my mom quickly let her in. The dog had chased found her by our corner and was looming outside. My dad was working in the back (detached) garage at the time and must have missed it coming up the street. It went back and found him... and then it found a coal shovel across the top of it's head and whimpered home. A few weeks later it chased and attacked one of my friends older brothers in his front yard (he was like ~15 at the time). It didn't do any permanent damage, but he need a bunch of stitches across several bite wounds on his back. The dog was then destroyed by the police.

As a dog owner, I have no tolerance for people who don't properly care for, clean up after, and restrain their pets. For something like a dog coming into my garage and chasing/cornering a pet they get one warning. Next time, it won't come back home (Ideally I don't want to hurt it, if it doesn't seem to pose a threat to humans, there are plenty of responsible pet owners who I'm sure would love to adopt it). If you want to let your pet run free, buy the property to allow them to do so in a safe manner, fence in your back yard, etc.

Also lol... at 16lbs... I'm sure Stewie was winning that fight.
 
Wuzup101 said:
and then it found a coal shovel across the top of it's head
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*CLANG!* /dogthought - Well, that wasn't a very good idea...lol!

Wuzup101 said:
The dog was then destroyed by the police.
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To me, this is the horrible part. The owner failed the dog and they will probably go out and get another dog to replace it.

Wuzup101 said:
Also lol... at 16lbs... I'm sure Stewie was winning that fight.
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That's part of the problem. Stewie has nailed four of the dogs that came in our garage and while it's cool to see him rip into one, I don't want it happening at all. Three of the dogs followed him up the passenger side of the car in the garage (tight against that side of a small garage) and he ducks under the car, goes to the rear and comes out behind them. Now the dog has his rear exposed to a very large pissed off cat and it's difficult for the dog to quickly turn around. Stewie gets his shots in on the dog's ass and the dog somehow flips around and flies out of the garage with a cat in hot pursuit (to the property line...lol!).

One dog ran towards him on our car and Stewie launched himself off of the car and into the dog's face. It' scared ths shit out of me as it was a pit bull. He was able to shake Stewie off but not before his blood was let out. I went to step between them as our cat wasn't backing down and nor was the dog. Luckily the owner arrived right then, grabbed his dog and apologized.

A leash is a small thing but it really works to keep dogs where they belong. It's too bad they are so difficult to use...lol! One lady found out that a leash and a bike are not a good combination when her husky saw Stewie in our driveway and pulled the owner up over the curb and to the front of our car (in the driveway) where Stewie had disappeared. Since I knew this game I ran around to the rear of the car and stopped Stewie from attacking the husky, who still had his head under the front of the car.

Cats think tactical...lol!
 
JEDIYoda said:
Your blowing smoke out your ass!! A Honey badger or even a Wolverine would rip apart your pit!!!
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After doing a little reading I think your right, here's what I found shocking,
"Because of the toughness and looseness of their skin, honey badgers are very difficult to kill with dogs. Their skin is hard to penetrate, and its looseness allows them to twist and turn on their attackers when held. The only safe grip on a honey badger is on the back of the neck. The skin is also tough enough to resist several machete blows. The only sure way of killing them quickly is through a blow to the skull with a club or a shot to the head with a gun, as their skin is almost impervious to arrows and spears "
It sounds like it would take a TEAM of dogs to take one out.
 
BUTCH1 said:
After doing a little reading I think your right, here's what I found shocking,
"Because of the toughness and looseness of their skin, honey badgers are very difficult to kill with dogs. Their skin is hard to penetrate, and its looseness allows them to twist and turn on their attackers when held. The only safe grip on a honey badger is on the back of the neck. The skin is also tough enough to resist several machete blows. The only sure way of killing them quickly is through a blow to the skull with a club or a shot to the head with a gun, as their skin is almost impervious to arrows and spears "
It sounds like it would take a TEAM of dogs to take one out.
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That is why Honey Badgers don't give a shit!

 
DrDoug said:
*CLANG!* /dogthought - Well, that wasn't a very good idea...lol!



To me, this is the horrible part. The owner failed the dog and they will probably go out and get another dog to replace it.
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Yeah I know, it's sad. I don't think that they ever got another dog. It's also one of the only neighbors that I didn't know / remember. We were always outside back in the day, and this was only like 7-8 houses away. I can't even recall ever seeing them. As I recall, there were other incidents with that dog and it was pretty vicious.

That's part of the problem. Stewie has nailed four of the dogs that came in our garage and while it's cool to see him rip into one, I don't want it happening at all. Three of the dogs followed him up the passenger side of the car in the garage (tight against that side of a small garage) and he ducks under the car, goes to the rear and comes out behind them. Now the dog has his rear exposed to a very large pissed off cat and it's difficult for the dog to quickly turn around. Stewie gets his shots in on the dog's ass and the dog somehow flips around and flies out of the garage with a cat in hot pursuit (to the property line...lol!).

One dog ran towards him on our car and Stewie launched himself off of the car and into the dog's face. It' scared ths shit out of me as it was a pit bull. He was able to shake Stewie off but not before his blood was let out. I went to step between them as our cat wasn't backing down and nor was the dog. Luckily the owner arrived right then, grabbed his dog and apologized.

A leash is a small thing but it really works to keep dogs where they belong. It's too bad they are so difficult to use...lol! One lady found out that a leash and a bike are not a good combination when her husky saw Stewie in our driveway and pulled the owner up over the curb and to the front of our car (in the driveway) where Stewie had disappeared. Since I knew this game I ran around to the rear of the car and stopped Stewie from attacking the husky, who still had his head under the front of the car.

Cats think tactical...lol!
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lol yeah cats are smart... not that dogs aren't too... but cats definitely think tactically. My girlfriend has 2 younger male cats, and my dog is definitely scared of them because one of them smack him across the face a few times (playfully without claws). Her cats smack and tackle each other and my dog has no clue how to play with them lol.
 
JEDIYoda said:
The problem I have with so called service dogs is there really is no regulation and it is very hard to prove that a dog is not a service dog!
In fact one of the tell tale signs of whether a dog is a service dog is how that dog behaves.
As in is it jumping around uncontrollably?
Is it barking or bearing it`s teeth at total strangers for no reason?
This is a really slippery slope and Delta is eventually going to lose a lot of money if somebodys so called service dog bites or attacks somebody?
But if you read the whole article or another article on this subject ypou will find that the airlines can ask you to show up with the service dog ahead of time and they can make a decision using papers and letters from your psychiatrists...etc.....to see if this si really a service dog..
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a few months ago I saw a working seeing eye dog (German Sheppard)in the grocery store, it was truly marvelous watching the dog work. then, yesterday same store some moron had a dog on a leash with the stupid vest "service animal do not pet" and that dog was all over the place. fuck me i hate people who take advantage of good laws.
 
Luna1968 said:
a few months ago I saw a working seeing eye dog (German Sheppard)in the grocery store, it was truly marvelous watching the dog work. then, yesterday same store some moron had a dog on a leash with the stupid vest "service animal do not pet" and that dog was all over the place. fuck me i hate people who take advantage of good laws.
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I totally agree with this. I'm all for support animals for anyone who's life they can make better. However, even an emotional support animal should have a solid level of obedience training if you intend to take it with you in public (in places where pets would otherwise be banned). If your pet is jumping all over the place, it's definitely not a support animal in my mind.
 
support animals are out of control. They are very necessary for some people, but the majority I see are for idiots that think they have a right to pack their animal with them wherever they go. My rule is, I don't care if it doesn't invade my space. If you your dog licks or sniffs at me, they need to be taken out. If they sit quietly, calmly then I don't care. I fly a lot and see the spectrum, but the majority are not trained. We need proper regulation that's sensible. I could care less about a trained pitbull that doesn't bother me. But when it attacks or threatens...it's a weapon and needs to be dealt with.
 
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