DooM III going to need 512MB videocard for its Ultra Quality Mode!

[Soulkeeper]

nice find 🙂

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Supply proof that valve spent "huge amounts" of time coding new paths for 5xxx hardware? Actually I want to know how much of the game had been coded when they leaked all of those benchmarks showing nvidia hardware performing badly?

It was stated on this site around a year ago. Jiffylube elaborated on it well. I believe it was around December/January, so a good deal of the game (my guess is at least 80%) was completed already. At the time the 5950 was behind the 9600 Pro in HL2 performance.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1024.html

Performance has improved, but the 5950 is still behind a stock 9800 (or a 9700 Pro for that matter). The 5900XT is now at 9600 performance levels. A step in the right direction I suppose. This is with the special codepath, under the standard one the card were around 2/3 of current values.

I believe that ati put pressure on valve to show something for the money they had invested especially when they found out that the game was no where near being completed on time.

This makes no sense. If they were behind the schedule, the last thing they would be doing is making alternate code paths. But since a sizable number of people own FX cards, it had to be done.


Edit: It was actually done last september.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1863&p=8

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

they've already pledged allegiance to Nvidia...

So? If Valve is willing spend huge amounts of time coding new paths for POS 5xxx hardware, I'd expect id to utilize whatever they can for ati hardware. ATI holds a sizable portion of the market (around 40% last I heard), and it is in their best interest to run it well on their hardware. Besides, other than use OpenGl, which naturally favors Nvidia, what have they done to "pledge alliegiance" to them? (TWIMTBP logo means nothing).

Kind of like what Crytek is doing and will continue to do with FarCry for nvidia hardware. I get ya.
Makes sense. By the way, my POS 5900Ultra is doing just fine, thanks. Doom should play decently on anything 9700 and up. You shouldn't worry about that. It will just play enormously better on Nvidia hardware. You know, the whole openGL thing and all.

 

[gururu]

ok, now everyone's getting just a tad bit confusing.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

By the way, my POS 5900Ultra is doing just fine, thanks. Doom should play decently on anything 9700 and up. You shouldn't worry about that. It will just play enormously better on Nvidia hardware. You know, the whole openGL thing and all.

Are there any recent benches to support that statement, or is that your guess based on trends? Call of Duty, for example, is opengl but plays just as well or better on the 9800s.

 

[jim1976]

I believe that ati put pressure on valve to show something for the money they had invested especially when they found out that the game was no where near being completed on time.

This makes no sense. If they were behind the schedule, the last thing they would be doing is making alternate code paths. But since a sizable number of people own FX cards, it had to be done.


Edit: It was actually done last september.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1863&p=8

That's my opinion too. I said it many times in the past,you can't just ignore such a significant market percentage,no matter what your alliance force you to do. It's simply bad biz.

 

[Socio]

If you really don't want to wait for ATI or Nvidia to come up with a 512mb card to play DoomIII in all it's glory in Ultra Quality Mode you could get a 512 mb WildCat Realizm 200 or better yet the 800 version with 640mb not sure how well they would work with games though.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Socio
This is a quote from PCGamer Review - September 2004 Issue - 94% (Doom III review)

The difference between a 128mb and 256mb card is that the former uses compressed textures whereas the latter only compresses diffuse and specualr maps. In another words, no big deal. However, a 500mb card is needed to run the game in Ultra Quality mode.

The fact that Doom III does have the ability to make use of a 512mb video card is a BIG hint that something coming to support it. It could be the rumored X800XT @ 512 MB or perhaps a 6800Ultra 512MB or even two 256mb 6800Ultra or PCI-E XT?s in SLI. Either way I am not so sure that I want to jump on a X8000XT 256mb when ever actually they become available in a viable quantity like I had planned. I might have to play it by ear and hold out a while for a possible X800XT 512mb Titanium Edition or 6800Ultra 512mb instead.🙂

i'd take ANYthing from PC Lamer with a Grain of Salt. 😛


HOWEVER, 512MB cards ARE coming from BOTH ATI and NVidia . . . we were told to expect them. 😉

Finally, the MINIMUM specs for Doom III are:

CPU 1Ghz

RAM -256MB

GPU - DX7 Card

basically, a GeForce 2 class of card should be a full-impact experience at a reasonable frame rate

UNbelievers! - LOOK here

:roll:

 

[bond007taz]

why would they make a game for a non-existent video card?! So what you are saying is that they are going to put this game out so this will cause users to buy a 512meg video card just to see a few less sharp edges? it doesnt make much sense... if they used it correctly, they would use the onboard video memory and then suck up some of the system memory, right?!

shoot, if 3dfx was still around we would already have a 512meg video card!

 

[estew33]

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
If they were having trouble utilizing even 256 megs of memory, I am surprised they didn't use some 3dc to help out on ATI cards.

they've already pledged allegiance to Nvidia...

Forgive my ignorance. What is 3dc
Ed

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Finally, the MINIMUM specs for Doom III are:

CPU 1Ghz

RAM -256MB

GPU - DX7 Card

basically, a GeForce 2 class of card should be a full-impact experience at a reasonable frame rate

UNbelievers! - LOOK here

:roll:

I think these specs are out of date. Gogamers lists the specs as:

System Requirements : Windows 2000/XP, Pentium 1.4 GHz, 256MB RAM, 64MB DirectX 9.0 compatible 3D graphics card, Windows compatible sound card, 12X CDROM, Keyboard, Mouse

Whats funny is on the main page they have the tagline: Evil has Gone Gold!

 

[Regs]

The technology is out dated, but only until now can video cards process powerfully enough to make a game like D3 possible. I'm also sure the game will be fitted with DX9 features just like far cry will or has.

 

[oldfart]

What type of texture compression is D3 using?

DXTC/S3TC? Other?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: apoppin
Finally, the MINIMUM specs for Doom III are:

CPU 1Ghz

RAM -256MB

GPU - DX7 Card

basically, a GeForce 2 class of card should be a full-impact experience at a reasonable frame rate

UNbelievers! - LOOK here

:roll:

I think these specs are out of date. Gogamers lists the specs as:

System Requirements : Windows 2000/XP, Pentium 1.4 GHz, 256MB RAM, 64MB DirectX 9.0 compatible 3D graphics card, Windows compatible sound card, 12X CDROM, Keyboard, Mouse

Whats funny is on the main page they have the tagline: Evil has Gone Gold!

The specs i quoted was from 7 months ago and given by id's CEO, Todd Hollenshead, and Doom 3's lead designer, Tim Willits.

Hasn't changed much IF it's true (no other retailer has system requirements yet):

1Ghz > 1.4Ghz
256MB RAM = 256MB RAM
GF2 > GF3

kinda like HL2 . . . 😉

and (far) less demanding than Far Cry 😉

:roll:

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous


http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1024.html

sorry to thread crap, but holy bejeesus look at the 6800 series laying the smackdown. granted, at low res and no aa/af but still.

i expect the xt/pro would catch up/overtake at high ress with aa/af.

but still 😀

-Vivan

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: vshah

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous


http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1024.html

sorry to thread crap, but holy bejeesus look at the 6800 series laying the smackdown. granted, at low res and no aa/af but still.

i expect the xt/pro would catch up/overtake at high ress with aa/af.

but still 😀

-Vivan

Huh? Looks pretty even to me. The bigger shock is how badly AMD is beating Intel.

 

[magratton]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: vshah

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous


http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1024.html

sorry to thread crap, but holy bejeesus look at the 6800 series laying the smackdown. granted, at low res and no aa/af but still.

i expect the xt/pro would catch up/overtake at high ress with aa/af.

but still 😀

-Vivan

Huh? Looks pretty even to me. The bigger shock is how badly AMD is beating Intel.

Hmmm...
The 6800 GT at 350/1000 performs better than a 6800 Ultra 400/1000?

They are comparing on an Athlon 64... I wonder how my overclocked mobile will hold up...

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
If they were having trouble utilizing even 256 megs of memory, I am surprised they didn't use some 3dc to help out on ATI cards.

they've already pledged allegiance to Nvidia...

Wasnt the beta leak ATi's copy and didnt it really really really piss of Carmack?

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

they've already pledged allegiance to Nvidia...

So? If Valve is willing spend huge amounts of time coding new paths for POS 5xxx hardware, I'd expect id to utilize whatever they can for ati hardware. ATI holds a sizable portion of the market (around 40% last I heard), and it is in their best interest to run it well on their hardware. Besides, other than use OpenGl, which naturally favors Nvidia, what have they done to "pledge alliegiance" to them? (TWIMTBP logo means nothing).

Kind of like what Crytek is doing and will continue to do with FarCry for nvidia hardware. I get ya.
Makes sense. By the way, my POS 5900Ultra is doing just fine, thanks. Doom should play decently on anything 9700 and up. You shouldn't worry about that. It will just play enormously better on Nvidia hardware. You know, the whole openGL thing and all.

You mean the way Crytek is adding 3dc support in the next patch? Wow youre right theyre nvidia only all the way. Dont be upset because ATi didnt support 3.0 and Crytek wants to.

 

[Regs]

The benchmarks GeneralGrievous posted seem to have driver issues or other software related problems. The GT at stock one frame per second behind the Ultra should be the clue in.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

they've already pledged allegiance to Nvidia...

So? If Valve is willing spend huge amounts of time coding new paths for POS 5xxx hardware, I'd expect id to utilize whatever they can for ati hardware. ATI holds a sizable portion of the market (around 40% last I heard), and it is in their best interest to run it well on their hardware. Besides, other than use OpenGl, which naturally favors Nvidia, what have they done to "pledge alliegiance" to them? (TWIMTBP logo means nothing).

Kind of like what Crytek is doing and will continue to do with FarCry for nvidia hardware. I get ya.
Makes sense. By the way, my POS 5900Ultra is doing just fine, thanks. Doom should play decently on anything 9700 and up. You shouldn't worry about that. It will just play enormously better on Nvidia hardware. You know, the whole openGL thing and all.

You mean the way Crytek is adding 3dc support in the next patch? Wow youre right theyre nvidia only all the way. Dont be upset because ATi didnt support 3.0 and Crytek wants to.

LOL, you seem to think I was discriminating? No, I was just saying what I knew about and how game dev's will make efforts to support and better gameplay on various hardware. I have no idea what you thought I meant.

And in reply to the above bolded quote. "Yes I am." I have zero interest in acquiring an ATI product.
I did last gen and was unhappy. I am impressed however with the performance they are dishing out currently, but that doesn't mean I am interested in their products for my own use. Nvidia is my preference and thats just the way it is. The only way I would buy another ATI anything is if Nvidia goes out of business.

 

[FPSguy]

Originally posted by: bond007taz
why would they make a game for a non-existent video card?! So what you are saying is that they are going to put this game out so this will cause users to buy a 512meg video card just to see a few less sharp edges? it doesnt make much sense... if they used it correctly, they would use the onboard video memory and then suck up some of the system memory, right?!

shoot, if 3dfx was still around we would already have a 512meg video card!

The game has been in development for several years. Thus, it was designed from the start for non-existent video cards. Due to their good foresight as well as information from ATI and NVidia about their upcoming plans, those non-existent video cards have recently or are about to come into existence. That is the basis for the OP's supposition, which seems on the money to me.

System memory is too slow for a lot of what they want to do with graphics memory, so it cannot act as an adequate substitute in many cases.

3dfx was purchased by NVidia, so I suppose in some sense they are still around ...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The only way I would buy another ATI anything is if Nvidia goes out of business.

That basically makes anything you post in the video forum irrelevant then. It shows a complete lack of objectivity.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The only way I would buy another ATI anything is if Nvidia goes out of business.

That basically makes anything you post in the video forum irrelevant then. It shows a complete lack of objectivity.

At least he he honest about his preference unlike some of the other trolls around here that claim to be neutral while their posts clearly prove otherwise.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: oldfart

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The only way I would buy another ATI anything is if Nvidia goes out of business.

That basically makes anything you post in the video forum irrelevant then. It shows a complete lack of objectivity.

At least he he honest about his preference unlike some of the other trolls around here that claim to be neutral while their posts clearly prove otherwise.

Fair enough. I just find it impossible to have an intelligent discussion with these people. What's the point in discussing the differences between a 6800U/X800XT when you'll buy the 6800U "unless nVidia goes out of business" anyway? The same goes for the rest of the folks on here with an intense amount of brand loyalty.