Doom 4 : End of the Gaming Industry

mzkhadir

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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1784975,00.asp

Am I the only one who expects a collapse of the gaming business soon? Does anyone else think that it is overdue? It has happened before, and I can't see how people will keep shelling out $50 or so for a video game when the games have hardly changed since the invention of the first-person shooter.

complain to my kids about this, and they insist that things have changed markedly. They show me examples, and all I see are tweaks and weirder, mostly stupid weapons.

I'm not the only one who thinks there's a problem. When Nintendo president Satoru Iwata spoke at this year's Game Developers Conference in San Francisco, he discussed the lack of new game ideas. He saw the same things that I see: There are four or five simple game categories and nothing really new or different.

The categories are shooters, puzzles and mazes, adventure games, sports games, and simulations. That's it. Most of today's hottest games are combinations of two or three of these categories, with a storyline added to keep the players from being bored stiff. When my kids show me a game, I usually say that it's nothing but the same old running-jumping-kicking-shooting with a new background. They leave in a huff.
Iwata mentioned that in almost all the big games, the so-called boss characters are all beginning to be pretty much the same: big, creepy monsters. If you want to see exactly how inane this is, go out and rent the brain-dead Paul Verhoeven film, Starship Troopers. The movie stank so bad that nothing came of it after its release. It's essentially a video game turned into a movie?all the elements are there, including an idiotic "boss" that is just some huge flabby bug?and it shows you just how lame these games actually are.

Iwata then showed us a couple of supposedly new (but in fact, rather old) ideas? two concept games that will be released later this year for the incredibly popular Nintendo DS handheld game machine. One is a pet dog that "lives" inside the machine. You can train this dog with voice commands, and you can literally pet the thing on the touch-sensitive screen.

Virtual-pet software has come and gone on the PC over the years, so except for the voice commands, this is nothing new. It's also quite similar to the once-popular Tamagotchi gizmo that was all the rage in Japan.

When two wireless DS machines run this app, the dogs can visit each other in one of the machines. Someone just needs to do a patch to get them to fight and kill each other, or mate and have puppies, for this idea really to catch on: "Only Available on the Nintendo DS-XXX!"

The other idea that Iwata presented is music-making software that creates tunes on the DS. This sort of thing appeared on the Macintosh years ago?and even resulted in a weird toy guitar called the Jaminator?so this is nothing new, either. The game scene is resorting to faddish ideas from years ago to try to appear original. I'm surprised they haven't come out with Pet Rock software yet.

None of this will save a doomed industry. The business is going to attempt to sustain growth and creativity by making game players buy newer and newer machines. Computer gaming has always been sustained by never-ending improvements in resolution and realism. But once we get to photorealism, what is going to sustain growth?

That time is drawing near. We are already getting pre-hype for the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 2, as well as the new Nintendo. All this will do is make the visuals more lifelike and the blood and gore more realistic and nauseating. While the kids who are used to this "progress" may not be put off by it, newcomers may be repulsed and skip these new generations of machines altogether.

If that doesn't flatten the market, the never-ending need to satisfy the demanding full-time game-player should do it. Some of today's games are ridiculously hard to play?unless gaming is your so-called life?and so daunting to casual players that they will quickly reject them. Who needs to devote themselves to a game just to play it once in a while? I'll take Spider Solitaire instead.


I really can't imagine this scene continuing as it is for much longer. I suspect that the next generation of machines will be the last?or at least the last in the current boom market. It will be downhill from there.


 

Legend

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The video gaming industry is healthier than ever. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

$50 for games? Maybe for Gamecube and a few new ones on PS2/Xbox/PC. Most games come new at $40, and you can get several excellent games for $20 and less.

People paid $50 for games for NES in the 80s. Prices have gone down and the value of the dollar has gone down.

Maybe you mean the PC gaming industry may crash. Yes, that's possible.
 

desteffy

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lol. yeah sure.

Hollywood will probably shut down the next year. Followed by tv and raidio. Then the internet.

EDIT:

me after reading title: "Doom 4! where! omg!!11one" ::takes $60 out of wallet::
 

SwiftWind

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I think he's just bitter with the fact that the gaming industry is not going according to his original "Vision" (tm). The gaming industry is currently booming more than ever if anything.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: mzkhadir
The business is going to attempt to sustain growth and creativity by making game players buy newer and newer machines. Computer gaming has always been sustained by never-ending improvements in resolution and realism. But once we get to photorealism, what is going to sustain growth?
I've been arguing that here for years and constantly get flamed.

I've played games from ~1987 on. The jump from 2/4/16 colors to 256 colors was amazing. The jump to 16 bit color was also wonderful. Any jump from there is barely noticeable. The jump from text to 160x100 graphics was amazing. Same goes for the jump to 320x200, 640x480, and 1600x1200. But unless monitors suddenly get much bigger, higher resolutions just don't offer much at all.

However, the gaming industry isn't over. Instead, they have to change focus from graphics, graphics, graphics to game quality. We want addictive, replayable games with good AI. Screw the story line, no one cares about it and pretty much all stories have been told. Give us more complex interactions, more levels, more physics, etc. Actually put time and effort into the game - not the graphics.

 

five40

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What the hell? Go back to slashdot you doom and gloomer. That's all slashdot seems to be these days...."IT industry dead, Gaming industry dead, Economy sucks, bla bla bla". Any industry that is making billions and billions per year isn't going away any time soon.
 

preslove

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He's pretty ignorant of movies, at least. He totally misunderstood "Starship Troopers." That movie is about fascism, and he thinks it's a video game :roll:
 

biostud

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uhm, I get the feeling that he doesn't know about RPG's, MMORPGS and realtime/turnbased strategy.
 

Leper Messiah

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hum. As a pcmag subscriber, normally I tend to agree with dvorak, but I think he's talking rubbish. What does Civilization, the best game evar! fall under? He's just whinning about how nothing's orginal. BFD. Unreal 3 (esp. if it has Geo-mod), will be frickin' amazing. And I sincerely doubt that the consoles will reach photorealism in the next 5 years. You can't have photorealism with a 320x240 screen. PC gaming, probably won't even hit it in the next 5 years, for that matter.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: biostud
uhm, I get the feeling that he doesn't know about RPG's, MMORPGS.
Formerly known as adventure games which was mentioned in the article.

 

Modeps

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Sorry, but I dont agree. The only thing that's really hurting this industry is EA and it's business minded tactics. They have never released a game that was somewhat 'weird' or original... they're the ones that churn out sequel after sequel of the same crap.

Nintendo's first party games have ALWAYS been innovative and more entertaining than most of the crap out there, but unfortuantely they're so few and far between that the system is suffering because of it but as long as they produce their first partys, I'm there.

In any event, the game industry is similar to the movie industry, both are a bit stagnant right now due to lack of ideas... but there are movies that shine, just as there are games that shine.
 

StageLeft

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I can't tell if it's my age or a lack of ingenuity, but one thing's for sure and that's that only a couple of games/year really catch my attention now.
 

Qwest

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you might not like the quality of games out today, but the industry is raking in more and $$ every year.
i think more video games are sold than music cds (not too hard with piracy).
 

mzkhadir

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I can't tell if it's my age or a lack of ingenuity, but one thing's for sure and that's that only a couple of games/year really catch my attention now.

you are right about that. There are only so many games I would pick up because of their quality and how enjoyable it is.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: desteffy
lol. yeah sure.

Hollywood will probably shut down the next year. Followed by tv and raidio. Then the internet.

lol thats exactly what I was thinking. i mean there really are only 4 different types of movies out there ... drama, action, comedy, and horror.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
John is an old friend of mine. He is just showing his age, ignore.

Dave thinks that water is HO2. Ignore.

That was a typo when I was using whole words and not shortened version and typing fast but fine, maybe I'll get a Nobel Prize thanks to my "mistake". :thumbsup:
 

Malladine

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The gaming industry is fine and dandy imo. It's evolving at a slower rate due to technological barriers. Dullard mentioned amazing leaps - 16 colors to 256 to 16bit, etc. What could we leap to from here that could possibly compare? Looking at it like that is bound to depress anyone.

As long as there are games on the horizon that i'm looking forward to, there is hope :)

A few of said games: STALKER, Civ 4 (ok rehashing but that's what evolution is, isn't it?), various mmos. And hell i only play PC Games so i'm totally not counting any of the console offerings. Anyone who says this has to be severely burned out. That or have a.d.d..

The one thing i'm worried about is smaller dev teams going under (ie Elixr of evil genius and Republic fame). Larger teams are historically less innovative. The smaller teams have smaller budgets therefore have to rely on actual gameplay to attract customers instead of wowing people with "amazing" graphics, "stunning" sound and "terrifying" ai.

What they have to realize is that any graphics/sound/ai can be mind blowing if the game is fun
 

PingSpike

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There's just a lot of copy cat crap out there now. And many of the shops that put out innovative stuff pretty consistently collapsed during the last bump in the road.

But its not devoid of innovation, its just we're in a bit of a dry spell. Things will recover, and consumers can only play so many eye candy titles before they finally say "nothing new here folks". AI and interactive envirnoments we are still moving towards more all the time.
 

saxophonoia

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I can't tell if it's my age or a lack of ingenuity, but one thing's for sure and that's that only a couple of games/year really catch my attention now.

Same here. So far only 2 or 3 within the last year for Xbox that I've played. I end up trading games in after awhile I notice. They just lose their fun factor a lot faster than they used to.