Doom 4 : End of the Gaming Industry

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Qwest
you might not like the quality of games out today, but the industry is raking in more and $$ every year.
i think more video games are sold than music cds (not too hard with piracy).

Because video games are immune to piracy.

 

[Aharami]

i dont like him bashing starship troopers. i liked that movie. now if he was talking about starship troopers 2, id agree

and, i dunno what he is talkin about. games are still fun

 

[vi edit]

I've been arguing that here for years and constantly get flamed.

I've played games from ~1987 on. The jump from 2/4/16 colors to 256 colors was amazing. The jump to 16 bit color was also wonderful. Any jump from there is barely noticeable. The jump from text to 160x100 graphics was amazing. Same goes for the jump to 320x200, 640x480, and 1600x1200. But unless monitors suddenly get much bigger, higher resolutions just don't offer much at all.

I think the single biggest leap in the gaming industry was the hardware accellerator. When I slapped in the original VooDoo card in my machine the same exact game was like an entirely new one.

After that it was just a natural progression of bumping up resolutions and details to make things more crisp and "rich".

What old Dvorak fails to accept is that just about ANY type of game hasn't changed in the years.

Pool is still pool. Darts are still darts. Football is still football. Monoloply is still Monopoly. Chess is still chess. Yet people still play those.

So long as games like Half Life keep pushing story lines along with good graphics, and games like Counter Strike and Battlefield keep pushing online play with better graphics/enhancements with each revision, people will continue to play them.

 

[Kev]

what a retarded article. i bet movies are going to go the way of the dinosaur too. after all, they all follow the same formula: actors, a plot, conflict, drama... people are going to get fed up with that over and over again.

 

[Fenixgoon]

i find it funny that the president of nintendo is speaking about lack of ingenuity in games, considering how nintendo rehashes old games and puts them on new systems, as well as producing 100 versions of pokemon

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

I've been arguing that here for years and constantly get flamed.

I've played games from ~1987 on. The jump from 2/4/16 colors to 256 colors was amazing. The jump to 16 bit color was also wonderful. Any jump from there is barely noticeable. The jump from text to 160x100 graphics was amazing. Same goes for the jump to 320x200, 640x480, and 1600x1200. But unless monitors suddenly get much bigger, higher resolutions just don't offer much at all.

I think the single biggest leap in the gaming industry was the hardware accellerator. When I slapped in the original VooDoo card in my machine the same exact game was like an entirely new one.

After that it was just a natural progression of bumping up resolutions and details to make things more crisp and "rich".

What old Dvorak fails to accept is that just about ANY type of game hasn't changed in the years.

Pool is still pool. Darts are still darts. Football is still football. Monoloply is still Monopoly. Chess is still chess. Yet people still play those.

So long as games like Half Life keep pushing story lines along with good graphics, and games like Counter Strike and Battlefield keep pushing online play with better graphics/enhancements with each revision, people will continue to play them.

:thumbsup: well said

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
John is an old friend of mine. He is just showing his age, ignore.

Dave thinks that water is HO2. Ignore.

That was a typo when I was using whole words and not shortened version and typing fast but fine, maybe I'll get a Nobel Prize thanks to my "mistake". :thumbsup:

Well, you'd better some researching. How about you write a distributed client to inspect the individual molecules, then install it on a bunch of state computers without permission? :roll:

- M4H

 

[jpeyton]

Nintendo's new system should shake things up a little. Love them or not, Nintendo does innovate with their first-party games (in addition to their fair share of rehashes...albeit good ones).

 

[CRXican]

Starship Troopers was the sh1t, don't hate!

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Pool is still pool. Darts are still darts. Football is still football. Monoloply is still Monopoly. Chess is still chess. Yet people still play those.

So long as games like Half Life keep pushing story lines along with good graphics, and games like Counter Strike and Battlefield keep pushing online play with better graphics/enhancements with each revision, people will continue to play them.

Since when are pool, darts, chess, etc flying off the store shelves? Yes they are being sold, but they are not anything that people would stand in line for. They are not enough of a market to satisfy the huge costs that the computer gaming industry has. If computer gaming turns into something as copycat as pool, darts, etc, then much of the computer gaming industry must go out of business.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Pool is still pool. Darts are still darts. Football is still football. Monoloply is still Monopoly. Chess is still chess. Yet people still play those.

So long as games like Half Life keep pushing story lines along with good graphics, and games like Counter Strike and Battlefield keep pushing online play with better graphics/enhancements with each revision, people will continue to play them.

Since when are pool, darts, chess, etc flying off the store shelves? Yes they are being sold, but they are not anything that people would stand in line for. They are not enough of a market to satisfy the huge costs that the computer gaming industry has. If computer gaming turns into something as copycat as pool, darts, etc, then much of the computer gaming industry must go out of business.

"much of" meaning the bits that suck? Fine with me.

 

[Lonyo]

Starship Troopers is coming out as a game soon. As he said, it's a game style turned film, well, now it's a film turned game.

Also: Auto Assault - MMO car combat. That's something slightly different. It's like an MMORPG, but not, it's car combat.

That said, many things are just the same old boring crap. And if your game is an FPS, well, HAVE SOME MONSTERS!
I'd love to see a Far Cry type game without monsters/mutants. That really made it go downhill for me.

There is a lot of repetition in gaming, but also in music and film and everything else.
To continue someone else's idea:
The human race is going to end!!
It's just the same old thing rehashed and it's evolution not revolution!!!112 etc etc.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: vi_edit

I've been arguing that here for years and constantly get flamed.

I've played games from ~1987 on. The jump from 2/4/16 colors to 256 colors was amazing. The jump to 16 bit color was also wonderful. Any jump from there is barely noticeable. The jump from text to 160x100 graphics was amazing. Same goes for the jump to 320x200, 640x480, and 1600x1200. But unless monitors suddenly get much bigger, higher resolutions just don't offer much at all.

I think the single biggest leap in the gaming industry was the hardware accellerator. When I slapped in the original VooDoo card in my machine the same exact game was like an entirely new one.

After that it was just a natural progression of bumping up resolutions and details to make things more crisp and "rich".

What old Dvorak fails to accept is that just about ANY type of game hasn't changed in the years.

Pool is still pool. Darts are still darts. Football is still football. Monoloply is still Monopoly. Chess is still chess. Yet people still play those.

So long as games like Half Life keep pushing story lines along with good graphics, and games like Counter Strike and Battlefield keep pushing online play with better graphics/enhancements with each revision, people will continue to play them.

:thumbsup: well said

Agreed, except people aren't rushing out every year to buy the new and improved chess set (Now, with a brighter red and more accurate squares!), new monopoly sets, new improved footballs, and, well, I'll give you the dart boards - they wear out quicker

I agree to an extent that people are eventually going to grow bored of some of the same types of games unless there is some more innovation. With companies starting to pump out the same games over and over, how many of you plan to purchase Halo 4, Halo 5, Halo 6, Halo 7, etc.? And, of course, Ghost Recon 3, Ghost Recon 4, ... Christ, what are they on now? NBA JAM 6? I just played NBA Jam the other day on the xbox and thought "the game play is nearly the same as it was 10 years ago in the arcade." Then again, the triple backflip with a half-gainer dunks from half court for 5 points were an "innovation."

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: vi_edit

I've been arguing that here for years and constantly get flamed.

I've played games from ~1987 on. The jump from 2/4/16 colors to 256 colors was amazing. The jump to 16 bit color was also wonderful. Any jump from there is barely noticeable. The jump from text to 160x100 graphics was amazing. Same goes for the jump to 320x200, 640x480, and 1600x1200. But unless monitors suddenly get much bigger, higher resolutions just don't offer much at all.

I think the single biggest leap in the gaming industry was the hardware accellerator. When I slapped in the original VooDoo card in my machine the same exact game was like an entirely new one.

After that it was just a natural progression of bumping up resolutions and details to make things more crisp and "rich".

What old Dvorak fails to accept is that just about ANY type of game hasn't changed in the years.

Pool is still pool. Darts are still darts. Football is still football. Monoloply is still Monopoly. Chess is still chess. Yet people still play those.

So long as games like Half Life keep pushing story lines along with good graphics, and games like Counter Strike and Battlefield keep pushing online play with better graphics/enhancements with each revision, people will continue to play them.

:thumbsup: well said

Agreed, except people aren't rushing out every year to buy the new and improved chess set (Now, with a brighter red and more accurate squares!), new monopoly sets, new improved footballs, and, well, I'll give you the dart boards - they wear out quicker

I agree to an extent that people are eventually going to grow bored of some of the same types of games unless there is some more innovation. With companies starting to pump out the same games over and over, how many of you plan to purchase Halo 4, Halo 5, Halo 6, Halo 7, etc.? And, of course, Ghost Recon 3, Ghost Recon 4, ... Christ, what are they on now? NBA JAM 6? I just played NBA Jam the other day on the xbox and thought "the game play is nearly the same as it was 10 years ago in the arcade." Then again, the triple backflip with a half-gainer dunks from half court for 5 points were an "innovation."

The point is the games are unchanged and still played.

 

[ultimatebob]

I gotta admit... It's been awhile since we've had a "ground breaking" game title like Half Life or The Sims that defined or redefinied an entire genre of gaming. I wish that more game companies would take on risky game development projects, instead of just creating the "NEW" 2006 version of Madden or Unreal Tournament.

 

[PricklyPete]

Dvorak is an idiot...always has been. He's just reaching for material to get his monthly paycheck.

I pay $50 for very, very few games (Doom 3 and HL2 have been the only two in years). Secondly, game content keeps getting better even if the general interface does not change.

Games are like movies. Saying that the industry is going to falter because there is nothing new is stupid. That is like saying...the movie industry is going to crumble because they only have dramas, romantic-comedies, comedies, horror, and action movies and no one is coming up with new categories that work. Creating a movie that is a drama is still good even though there have been 1K movies in the past. The games are about content...not innovation in gameplay.

 

[alkemyst]

hmmm perhaps the OP shouldn't be analyzing the games his kids seem to enjoy.

Games are to be played, not create a whole new genre.

Think of baseball and football....they seem to do just fine.

I really don't see the gaming industry ever losing it's hold on the youth of today and a lot of adults.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Malladine
The point is the games are unchanged and still played.

Yes the games are unchanged and still played. We all agree on that. But that isn't the point. The point is, that we may be very happy playing the computer games we have now if the next generation is pretty much the exact same thing. Yes, you are right, we will still play the games. But we will buy FEWER games (since we still play the current games), meaning the gaming industry will have trouble in the future if they don't change their tactics.

 

[DivideBYZero]

If the OP missed the subtle subtext in Starship Troopers then I can understand why he is mystified by current gaming genre's.

Innovative games I have on my system (yes they are derivitives in some way or another):-

- Viewtiful Joe
- Super Monkey Ball
- Mario Party 6

...and I'm 32.

 

[KokomoGSTmp]

Mebbe the PC game industry will evolve drastically and maybe it won't. At worst they become the engine that drives console game technology with new ideas and technology.

Also, there's more than a few things that aren't suited to consoles, things like a fast-paced shooter or the MMORPGs. Look at friggin Counterstrike, something like that would NEVER happen if the PC game industry isn't the way it is. You just will not see that in console gaming communities.

Maybe the PC gaming industry will never be quite as big, or mebbe the merging of technologies will force PC gaming on/into the console market?

 

[HardcoreRobot]

the same exact argument can be made for hollywood

the analysis of the state of the industry is dead on, the prediction of its future is just stupid.

bad games will be continued to be made, and every now and then a true classic will rise above, just how it has been forever and ever.

hate this doom and gloom bullsht

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Malladine
The point is the games are unchanged and still played.

Yes the games are unchanged and still played. We all agree on that. But that isn't the point. The point is, that we may be very happy playing the computer games we have now if the next generation is pretty much the exact same thing. Yes, you are right, we will still play the games. But we will buy FEWER games (since we still play the current games), meaning the gaming industry will have trouble in the future if they don't change their tactics.

I do see what you're saying. I suppose these tactics have to hit a wall some day. There's only so many WW2 fps games, unreal tournaments, age of empires people can take. Eventually (perhaps already) sales will slow down. But then again, perhaps the market is now large enough to support endless repetition as some people avoid a genre altogether for a while then come back to it and it's all new again. While others may give up buying games entirely there's always new blood to take their place. That's how things have always worked.

Three groups of people

#1 People who like games then move away entirely
#2 Some people love games and will stick with the same stuff because they own and owning is fun
#3 new people enter the fray and it's all new to them

circle repeats.

It's neverending as far as I can tell.

 

[TheShiz]

I have actually thought a lot about this. I have become pretty bored of video games myself. I really liked half life 2 though, but that is the only game i have played all the way through in years. I think this is the next step.

we need some kind of interface with our brains.

games on a screen can never be very realistic based solely on the fact that you are sitting in front of a screen with a controller in your hands. we need something that can make our minds believe we are in these situations, then the possibilities would be endless.

think about playing resident evil and really thinking you are in a mansion with a ton of zombies trying to kill you. or in a racecar going 200 miles an hour.

i predict it will happen, but not for at least 50 more years, so I think i'll wait.

 

[Yossarian]

please cease and desist this rational and interesting discussion. it has no place on this forum.

 

[jjones]

It's absurd to think that gaming will die simply because they cannot seem to invent new genres. That's like thinking professional sports will die because that can't invent new sports. Gaming will keep getting better with improved AI and improved interface. Virtual reality to be the ultimate interface and actual thinking AI to play against. Can you imagine playing Doom or Half-life or Unreal Tournament in virtual reality against a literally thinking machine in single player or other humans in multiplayer? Unfortunately, I won't be alive by the time that happens.