Don't steal a hacker's computer

[alkemyst]

If I get a dime for every time a Mactard says "Mac OS is based on Unix"... SO? That doesn't mean a Mactard knows anything about unix. Most can't even find the command shell on their machine, let alone knows what to do with it. That's just like saying Windows users know DOS, although I'm willing to bet more Windows users know DOS than mactards know BASH.

i am not a mactard, my wife owns one though.

However, my brother owns one too and has for a long long time and is sort of published on the *nix level.

His first nix box was an Amiga 3000T running FreeBSD way back when you needed metered ISDN for a fast connection.

He is a dual CCIE now...just a little bit technical, what the fuck does he know?

 

[HAL9000]

Ok, seriously people. Just because you own a Mac doesn't mean you know unix or linux.

I own a Mac, (love it) but I use linux for everything, for me OSX Is just the nicest GUI for a Unix OS, which is why I use it, my all my servers run Debian variants.

I'm a CLI guy at heart, but it's nice to know, for a desktop/laptop OS I can use something with a nice/ popular GUI that I can use without giving up the CLI stuff

 

[rockyct]

I'd say the very facts that he attended MIT and was presenting at defcon gives him all the credit I require.

Yeah, this isn't the media calling the idiot who got into Sarah Palin's email address a hacker (he guessed and used Google to reset her password), it's a guy presenting at DefCon. I would laugh at him if he was a hacker using a Macbook Air or something, but using a G4 really is "hardcore" since the yuppie Mac fans would never touch a big desktop like that.

 

[halik]

If I get a dime for every time a Mactard says "Mac OS is based on Unix"... SO? That doesn't mean a Mactard knows anything about unix. Most can't even find the command shell on their machine, let alone knows what to do with it. That's just like saying Windows users know DOS, although I'm willing to bet more Windows users know DOS than mactards know BASH.

Well a guy that goes to MIT and is throwing a presentation at Defcon is probably well aware of the darwin system running underneath. Pretty much why that first comment about hackers using macs makes no sense... anything you can do on a linux box i can do on my mac (yay darwin ports) and don't have to deal with gnome/kde/qt/whatever pieced together UI

 

[SSSnail]

i am not a mactard, my wife owns one though.

However, my brother owns one too and has for a long long time and is sort of published on the *nix level.

His first nix box was an Amiga 3000T running FreeBSD way back when you needed metered ISDN for a fast connection.

He is a dual CCIE now...just a little bit technical, what the fuck does he know?

So, how many people you know that are "dual ccie"? Since we're on the subject, I work with a bunch of people with all sort of certifications too, never mind what I do (although I did run os x inside of XP, does that count?).

New book by alkemyst - how to drop names in arguments - coming soon.

 

[Crusty]

and a sad little man.

You realize what is the base of Mac OS right?

Do you? It's certainly NOT Linux.

 

[JD50]

i am not a mactard, my wife owns one though.

However, my brother owns one too and has for a long long time and is sort of published on the *nix level.

His first nix box was an Amiga 3000T running FreeBSD way back when you needed metered ISDN for a fast connection.

He is a dual CCIE now...just a little bit technical, what the fuck does he know?

What does any of that have to do with Mac people thinking they know Unix/Linux?

 

[JD50]

Well a guy that goes to MIT and is throwing a presentation at Defcon is probably well aware of the darwin system running underneath. Pretty much why that first comment about hackers using macs makes no sense... anything you can do on a linux box i can do on my mac (yay darwin ports) and don't have to deal with gnome/kde/qt/whatever pieced together UI

Gnome is much better than it used to be, if you haven't tried it recently you should give it another shot, preferably on a popular distro like Fedora or Ubuntu (Fedora is my personal choice). I haven't used KDE in a couple of years though.

 

[JD50]

Do you? It's certainly NOT Linux.

But his brother has a cisco certification1!!!

 

[halik]

Gnome is much better than it used to be, if you haven't tried it recently you should give it another shot, preferably on a popular distro like Fedora or Ubuntu (Fedora is my personal choice). I haven't used KDE in a couple of years though.

Err why? OSX has a very polished interface with a ton of $$ spent on UI design and all the power of the *nix. I don't see what I'd gain over my hackintosh, especially given the commercial software support on osx.

 

[Ns1]

Err why? OSX has a very polished interface with a ton of $$ spent on UI design and all the power of the *nix. I don't see what I'd gain over my hackintosh, especially given the commercial software support on osx.

You'd get to be a part of the kewl anti apple crowd

 

[JD50]

Err why? OSX has a very polished interface with a ton of $$ spent on UI design and all the power of the *nix. I don't see what I'd gain over my hackintosh, especially given the commercial software support on osx.

It was just a suggestion... I'm not trying to get into a Mac vs. Linux debate, just pointing out that Mac != Unix and Mac != Linux.

I suggested that you try Gnome again because you obviously haven't tried it recently if you think it's "pieced together".

 

[JD50]

You'd get to be a part of the kewl anti apple crowd

Some people prefer choice and freedom, sorry.

Why is it that Apple folks take it as an insult to their beloved OS when someone suggests that they try something else? It is possible to like OSX and Linux...

 

[Crusty]

Some people prefer choice and freedom, sorry.

Why is it that Apple folks take it as an insult to their beloved OS when someone suggests that they try something else? It is possible to like OSX and Linux...

Just like it's possible to like Windows and Linux... not sure why anybody really cares what other people like or dislike.

 

[JD50]

Just like it's possible to like Windows and Linux... not sure why anybody really cares what other people like or dislike.

Yep.

 

[halik]

It was just a suggestion... I'm not trying to get into a Mac vs. Linux debate, just pointing out that Mac != Unix and Mac != Linux.

I suggested that you try Gnome again because you obviously haven't tried it recently if you think it's "pieced together".

Not sure about Mac, but OSX = Unix, POSIX compliant and all

I've done year of linux of desktop thing for the past decade and yes, even played with Ubuntu. It's still not as well integrated, especially when you're using apps complied with different toolkit than your window manager. That and very little UI standards (the whole "freedom" thing doesn't translate to consistent ui) is why Linux hasn't taken off on desktops.

 

[JD50]

Not sure about Mac, but OSX = Unix, POSIX compliant and all

I've done year of linux of desktop thing for the past decade and yes, even played with Ubuntu. It's still not as well integrated, especially when you're suing apps complied with different toolkit than your window manager.

Ok. Go apply for a job as a Unix admin and tell them your Unix experience consists of using your Mac, I'm sure you'll get the job.

What flavor of Linux have you been using?

 

[halik]

Ok. Go apply for a job as a Unix admin and tell them you have a Mac, I'm sure you'll get the job.

What flavor of Linux have you been using?

Most *nix people i know have macs for the same reasons I do (all the power, no CDE nonsense).


I had gentoo on a Sun Ultra10 box for the longest time... worked well aside from the fact that running portage upgrades every 6 months would fuck things up. I've had Ubuntu 8 or 9something on my tablet in Gradschool, dualbooting with vista. It was ok, not that much different compared to other linux distros I've used in past.

 

[JSt0rm]

wait I thought mac users dont know how to use computers?

 

[MarkXIX]

wait I thought mac users dont know how to use computers?

Most don't. The ones that understand the underpinnings of the system though are wise enough to use one if for no other reason than to understand how the second most popular OS in the world functions.

 

[JSt0rm]

Most don't. The ones that understand the underpinnings of the system though are wise enough to use one if for no other reason than to understand how the second most popular OS in the world functions.

So do media professionals not know how to use computers? When you say "most dont" are you referring to them or just the grandma and mom and college kid with a cool laptop?

 

[MarkXIX]

So do media professionals not know how to use computers? When you say "most dont" are you referring to them or just the grandma and mom and college kid with a cool laptop?

I'm talking about the college kids trying to be cool, of course.

Also, I would say that many media professionals don't really know how to use the computer, they know how to use their application of choice much better. Knowing how to use Photoshop or the equivalent doesn't mean you know how to use the computer.

How many "media professionals" do you know that can handle file permissions, user account permissions, etc.? How many can configure their network settings for a network manually? I don't know many.

 

[ViRGE]

Ok. Go apply for a job as a Unix admin and tell them your Unix experience consists of using your Mac, I'm sure you'll get the job.

What flavor of Linux have you been using?

I think the point is that a Linux user slagging Mac OS X is short-sighted. It's a very powerful operating system for those that have the inclination to go after the nuts & bolts of it. For a hacker or any other enthusiast wanting access to *nix tools and a highly developed user interface, it makes perfect sense.

Or to put it as you put it in your original post: Just because you own an Ubuntu machine doesn't mean you know Unix or Linux.

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah, this isn't the media calling the idiot who got into Sarah Palin's email address a hacker (he guessed and used Google to reset her password), it's a guy presenting at DefCon. I would laugh at him if he was a hacker using a Macbook Air or something, but using a G4 really is "hardcore" since the yuppie Mac fans would never touch a big desktop like that.

That was a hack...it's akin to someone stealing a pack of Ho-Ho's from a 7-11 is a thief just like the guy that pulls off a million dollar heist.

 

[rockyct]

That was a hack...it's akin to someone stealing a pack of Ho-Ho's from a 7-11 is a thief just like the guy that pulls off a million dollar heist.

While he did gain unauthorized access to her email account, calling him a hacker doesn't explain exactly what he did or how sophisticated his attack was. Saying "John Doe robbed the local 7-11 last night. He is currently in custody waiting for a bond hearing" doesn't explain exactly what his actions were or how much he took. Using the term "hacker" to describe the guy who got into Sarah Palin's email is misleading and used in a very generic definition. The biggest crime the guy committed was not getting into her email, but deleting the evidence of doing it.