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Narmer

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tcsenter said:
The video actually doesn't address or answer this at all.
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Yeah. The Mac was stolen in Boston and the user was in Las Vegas. It could've been put on ebay or something. The presenter did not say how the mac got to Nevada.
 
Blackjack200

Blackjack200

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Narmer said:
Yeah. The Mac was stolen in Boston and the user was in Las Vegas. It could've been put on ebay or something. The presenter did not say how the mac got to Nevada.
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Not to mention it was two years later.

...On the other hand, who steals a computer and then waits two years to hawk it? At the very least the guy knew or should have known that he was using a stolen computer - buying a computer with no documentation, no recovery discs, and no access to admin rights? That's a bunch of horseshit. So I guess I don't feel too bad for the guy.

I don't see how he justifies including the pictures of the girls though.
 
postmortemIA

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seriously, you buy computer and seller don't give you admin access ... it is obvious that it is stolen. Thus, even if he didn't do it, he knew what he was getting.
 
frostedflakes

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I have some relatives set up on limited accounts, most people just get on the internet and don't really install programs or do stuff that would require access to an admin account. I could totally see a computer illiterate person not even knowing what an admin account is or running into issues not having access to it. Just saying. I think a lot of people are seriously overestimating how much knowledge your average user has about the more complex workings of their computer.
 
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SSSnail

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frostedflakes said:
I have some relatives set up on limited accounts, most people just get on the internet and don't really install programs or do stuff that would require access to an admin account. I could totally see a computer illiterate person not even knowing what an admin account is or running into issues not having access to it. Just saying.
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That's why the perp "bought" a Mac, everyone knows this. The stuffs that the hacker did was all trivial, I first thought he hacked through some serial number DB where the asset was being tracked (by some other entity) and then did everything else and not just accessing what he installed.
 
punjabiplaya

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frostedflakes said:
I have some relatives set up on limited accounts, most people just get on the internet and don't really install programs or do stuff that would require access to an admin account. I could totally see a computer illiterate person not even knowing what an admin account is or running into issues not having access to it. Just saying. I think a lot of people are seriously overestimating how much knowledge your average user has about the more complex workings of their computer.
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yeah, ssh, vnc, dyndns, that stuff isn't all that complex, but for the average person it is.
 
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tcsenter

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postmortemIA said:
seriously, you buy computer and seller don't give you admin access ... it is obvious that it is stolen. Thus, even if he didn't do it, he knew what he was getting.
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This guy is obviously not a savvy or advanced computer user. Most people aren't. It is entirely plausible that he had no idea the computer was stolen. I've received off-lease computers that still had user data on it. And this is presumably from a supply chain where an IT person was supposed to have laid their hands on or cleared it at some point.

I will trust/hope that the owner did in fact confirm that he was involved either with the burglary or knew the computer was stolen but just neglected to mention that.
 
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rockyct

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I think his biggest "lesson learned" at the end should have been to get a fucking offsite backup. The guy still lost most of his data even though he got his computer back. I have a Windows Home Server box that backs up all of my computers, but I also use online Crash Plan storage to keep the essential stuff safe.
 
geno

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Very interesting story for sure, lol'd at the perp's pics / browsing habits. A couple of things I don't get though : this guy was on a dialup connection, right? How the hell was this guy running VNC? I'm sure you can scale it back a bit to make it narrowband-friendly and all, but he must have been getting a screencap every 20 seconds. Also, with the IP being dynamic, what were the odds that that same IP would come back and it happen to be his box being assigned it? That part seemed awfully coincidental. I'm not calling shens, just asking how that one worked out. With a certain pool of IPs versus a number of users, what's the likelihood that Mac would get that IP again? Or did I miss something in the video?
 
TridenT

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geno said:
Very interesting story for sure, lol'd at the perp's pics / browsing habits. A couple of things I don't get though : this guy was on a dialup connection, right? How the hell was this guy running VNC? I'm sure you can scale it back a bit to make it narrowband-friendly and all, but he must have been getting a screencap every 20 seconds. Also, with the IP being dynamic, what were the odds that that same IP would come back and it happen to be his box being assigned it? That part seemed awfully coincidental. I'm not calling shens, just asking how that one worked out. With a certain pool of IPs versus a number of users, what's the likelihood that Mac would get that IP again? Or did I miss something in the video?
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It had to have not been dial-up. The ISP was Cox. They're a cable company.
 
911paramedic

911paramedic

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Kaervak said:
A hacker that uses a mac? LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


Sorry, had to do it.





P.S. I'm a Linux user, nice and smug.
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Macs use Unix as an OS IIRC.

EDIT: NM, I see this has already been addressed.
 
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Cogman

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NOT a hacker. This guy is some random dude with several ways to access his machine. Quit calling random people that use random software "Hackers". (though, the story was entertaining.)

The only part he would have goofed up is where he would let the thief know he has access to the computer. If he wanted to get his stuff back, he would have never let the thief in on the fact that he knew where he was.
 
Cogman

Cogman

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geno said:
Then why did was the IP unresponsive at times? Cable modems are always on :hmm:
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The modems may always be one, but the computer is not. Many cable modems are just bridges, they just pass packets without checking them.
 
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melchoir

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geno said:
Also, with the IP being dynamic, what were the odds that that same IP would come back and it happen to be his box being assigned it? That part seemed awfully coincidental. I'm not calling shens, just asking how that one worked out. With a certain pool of IPs versus a number of users, what's the likelihood that Mac would get that IP again? Or did I miss something in the video?
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He got the IP to begin with from an auto updated DNS record. Every time the IP changed (every time it signed on) this record would be auto updated. He used the host name for pinging/connection purposes.
 
geno

geno

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Cogman said:
The modems may always be one, but the computer is not. Many cable modems are just bridges, they just pass packets without checking them.
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Every cable modem I've ever used is assigned a dynamic public IP each time it's powered on. But then again, as far as Cable goes, I've only worked with Comcast in my region so that may vary. The setup you describe would make sense for the story in the video.

melchoir said:
He got the IP to begin with from an auto updated DNS record. Every time the IP changed (every time it signed on) this record would be auto updated. He used the host name for pinging/connection purposes.
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Ah, I thought I heard him say he kept trying to ping the IP, this makes plenty of sense though. What a lifesaver it was for him to leave DynDNS running all the time! :D
 
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