Don't put your cell # on your resume if you don't want to be called

[apac]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: NaOH
i think it's totally fair what you did. Think about it, what if you hire him and he answers the phone like that to a client, prospective customer, etc.

I'm not the smartest guy at my place, but if I were to receive a call from an unknown number, I would definitely turn down the music and answer the phone with a simple "Hello". IF I was drunk, I could have at least setup an interview time instead of blowing them off (how drunk can you be in the daytime?).

I believe he didn't want or cared for the position so at least you can cross one off the list.

You should not be relying on someone to use their personal phone for business. /thread.

If you list your personal phone on a resume, it is also your business phone.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: apac

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: NaOH
i think it's totally fair what you did. Think about it, what if you hire him and he answers the phone like that to a client, prospective customer, etc.

I'm not the smartest guy at my place, but if I were to receive a call from an unknown number, I would definitely turn down the music and answer the phone with a simple "Hello". IF I was drunk, I could have at least setup an interview time instead of blowing them off (how drunk can you be in the daytime?).

I believe he didn't want or cared for the position so at least you can cross one off the list.

You should not be relying on someone to use their personal phone for business. /thread.

If you list your personal phone on a resume, it is also your business phone.

o'rly? but what is the business and who sets the rules?

 

[Foxery]

Originally posted by: kranky
Third time this happened this year. Resumes come in from people who want intern positions. I screen them and start calling to set up interviews.

...

Now the dilemma. The smart person who is drunk in the middle of the day and doesn't recognize the caller ID will not answer the phone and I'll have to leave a voicemail.

I agree that I would have a bad first impression in your shoes. A few questions back at you, then...

1) Are you positive he was drunk? Or just driving, and not smart enough to turn off the radio?
2) How large of a factor are maturity and etiquette for the indended job/work environment? (e.g. a white collar environment, vs not interacting with the public)
3) Do you have a large enough stack of resumees that it's not worth worrying about?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I am sure he is better off without your job. You seem to take pride in many of these types of posts.

I tried to explain further in my last post but apparently I didn't do very well at it.

I post these things not as a rant, but to educate some of the members here who could benefit from some insight into how things work in a mid-sized corporation. What the heck do I have to gain from it? You don't see me bragging about my position or my salary or how many people work for me. I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'd like to think it's kind of obvious that the reason for posting things like this is to let people know how things work on the corporate side of things. I benefit from the technical forums here, I try to give back this way.

I know quite a few hiring managers for all sized companies. My brother is one. The size of his company isn't huge but he hires in the 75k+ to usually well into 6 figures. A lot of young people, you learn to deal with it. We hire locally for national positions. It's even harder to pin someone down.

I know a guy that owns a mall shop...he just busts everyone's balls. He thrives on this crap and when he is out with us we have to listen to his stories of busting some kid's hopes. The guy is a slimeball and I just avoid him.

Both himself and I are totally different off the job than on it.

Typically it's up to 6 months for the average person to go from resume to hire, if they are looking for the right job vs any job.

Are you saying they all should wait by the phone for that period hoping for your call? Should they be already in their suit and tie should you wish to have them come in right away?

Hate to break it to you, outside the jobs for the masses...most hiring managers are hoping for the right candidate and know it's not them dangling the carrot before the horse.

Like I said for geeksquad/burger joints this attitude is fine. If you are hoping for the best professional for the job, catching someone on their freetime that is indisposed at the moment is something you deal with, not them.

 

[OdiN]

If I was doing it, here is how it would have gone:

<I dial, the phone rings...>
Candidate: <music blaring in bg> HEYYYYY, YO, WHAT UP! <mumble>
Me: Oh sorry, I must have the wrong number. *click*

*Crosses name off of list, tosses resume.*

 

[KaOTiK]

One thing I am curious about, did he list under Leadership, Guild Leader 2004-Present?

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Like I said for geeksquad/burger joints this attitude is fine. If you are hoping for the best professional for the job, catching someone on their freetime that is indisposed at the moment is something you deal with, not them.

So say you're looking to be the CFO of a major company, or on the short list for a really good job. You answer the phone in the same manner - music blarring, slurring words, tell someone you don't have time right now - so it's their problem that you picked up drunk and made an otherwise completely terrible impression of yourself to that other person?

If you're looking for the best professional for a job, you'd want someone who makes at least a good impression or can handle their personal life in the same professional manner as their job. The last thing I'd want to hear is "WHATUP YO MOTHER FVCKER" when I call someone to setup an interview, but that's just my opinion. If you're fine with that, so be it.

 

[clamum]

alkemyst are you purposely trying to be stupid?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: clamum
alkemyst are you purposely trying to be stupid?

No, it just comes naturally for him.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Like I said for geeksquad/burger joints this attitude is fine. If you are hoping for the best professional for the job, catching someone on their freetime that is indisposed at the moment is something you deal with, not them.

So say you're looking to be the CFO of a major company, or on the short list for a really good job. You answer the phone in the same manner - music blarring, slurring words, tell someone you don't have time right now - so it's their problem that you picked up drunk and made an otherwise completely terrible impression of yourself to that other person?

If you're looking for the best professional for a job, you'd want someone who makes at least a good impression or can handle their personal life in the same professional manner as their job. The last thing I'd want to hear is "WHATUP YO MOTHER FVCKER" when I call someone to setup an interview, but that's just my opinion. If you're fine with that, so be it.

Depends on what kind of CFO...however; this is for an internship and looking for YOUNG people.

Really depends on who you are looking to hire, Bill Gates or a P. Diddy.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: clamum
alkemyst are you purposely trying to be stupid?

No, it just comes naturally for him.

You still working at Steak and Shake, can you hook me up for some free fries?

 

[TheVrolok]

Yet another reason I don't answer calls on my cell from unknown numbers. I'll call back if a voicemail is left.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: clamum
alkemyst are you purposely trying to be stupid?

No, it just comes naturally for him.

You still working at Steak and Shake, can you hook me up for some free fries?

No. I have never worked fast food in my entire life. I work in IT for General Motors. Where do you work?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I know quite a few hiring managers for all sized companies. My brother is one. The size of his company isn't huge but he hires in the 75k+ to usually well into 6 figures. A lot of young people, you learn to deal with it. We hire locally for national positions. It's even harder to pin someone down.

I know a guy that owns a mall shop...he just busts everyone's balls. He thrives on this crap and when he is out with us we have to listen to his stories of busting some kid's hopes. The guy is a slimeball and I just avoid him.

Both himself and I are totally different off the job than on it.

Typically it's up to 6 months for the average person to go from resume to hire, if they are looking for the right job vs any job.

Are you saying they all should wait by the phone for that period hoping for your call? Should they be already in their suit and tie should you wish to have them come in right away?

Hate to break it to you, outside the jobs for the masses...most hiring managers are hoping for the right candidate and know it's not them dangling the carrot before the horse.

Like I said for geeksquad/burger joints this attitude is fine. If you are hoping for the best professional for the job, catching someone on their freetime that is indisposed at the moment is something you deal with, not them.

If someone is actively looking for a job then they should come to expect that incoming calls from unknown numbers have a high chance of being potential employers. Therefore, if you are indisposed at the time of the call, you should be responsible and smart enough to allow the call to go to voicemail even if you are drunk. When I am drunk, there are many things which I cannot do as well as when I am sober but this one is very simple and it is common sense. That is proper decision making and proper decision is what many employers are hoping for in an employee.

On top of that, you need to understand that employers can only do so much to try and figure out if an employee is going to end up being a good fit or not. They have very little to go by and things like this are a red flag. They are not proof of anything, but they most certainly do not help anything either. It is in an employers best interest to go with the best odds when choosing an employee and answering a phone like this guy did is not making a responsible decision as a hiring manager if your goal is to choose the employee who has the best odds of being a good fit.

Besides, it's not like people out there do not understand that doing what this guy did is a bad idea. It's common sense....which is another good trait in a quality employee.

 

[Jeff7]

He sounded discourteous. I always answer with, "Hello?" if I don't recognize the number. And even when I do recognize it, I still try to sound presentable and reasonably well-mannered.
And if someone's calling about an internship, well, if the candidate wants the internship, they'll find a way to make time to arrange it, or else give a good reason why. If he was driving, then he could have said so, or otherwise said something to indicate that he was very interested, and would make arrangements as soon as possible.

It doesn't sound like he even apologized for not having himself together right then.
I've worked retail, and even then, I'd be more professional than that.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: kranky
Is it unfair to rule someone out because they answered the phone drunk and wouldn't set up an interview appointment for no good reason?

Hell no. If he can't read his caller ID in today's day and age, he is worthless.