Don't buy a diamond. Ever.

RyanM

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A lot of people seem to be under the impression that diamonds have some kind of value, or that there's some sort of tradition in giving a diamond ring for engagements, weddings, anniversaries, etc.

I'd like to point out to everyone that diamonds have an artificial value, and there is no sort of tradition involved with diamond rings. It is all the result of a ruthless company called De Beers.

De Beers was set up in South Africa in 1934 by Sir Ernest Oppenheimer, a local mining tycoon. Decades later, it truly is a diamond cartel, still run by an Oppenheimer, controlling some 80% of the global diamond market. Because of American antitrust laws, De Beers cannot legally conduct business in the U.S., so the world's wholesale diamond buyers travel to other countries to buy from De Beers instead.

It is no secret that De Beers is hoarding an enormous stockpile of diamonds simply to keep demand and prices up, but they have also been known to briefly flood the market with certain kinds of diamonds as a last resort to cripple competing sellers. Eventually, the seller surrenders and sells their stones to De Beers instead of competing against them.

Aside from shameless marketing, De Beers has also come under fire for purchasing uncut diamonds from violent outlaw armies that torture, amputate, and murder innocent civilians, including children. While De Beers pays lip service to the importance of shunning these conflict diamonds, it is believed that De Beers already had a significant number of conflict diamonds in their coffers before they pledged to stop buying more. It is also easy enough for the outlaws to smuggle conflict diamonds onto the market that all but the most serious efforts wouldn't help much anyway.

De Beers uses its incredible wealth and power to influence African governments to keep the diamonds flowing, and is not above flat-out bribery to get their way. One such example was the cozy arrangement between De Beers and Mobutu Sese Seko, the dictator of Zaire, who received as much as US$1M per month from De Beers for his cooperation, in addition to whatever profits he made selling diamonds from his own personal mines.

Customers of De Beers have grown accustomed to literally begging for permission to buy choice diamonds, since the cartel dictates an all-or-nothing agreement which usually requires the buyer to accept a large number of inferior stones in each parcel. This buying policy strongly favors the larger jewelry retailers, who have an established market for selling the inferior diamonds. Boutique jewelers who want fewer but better stones are forced to pay a premium for being choosy, which automatically places them at a disadvantage against larger retailers.

Through its monopolistic practices and its blind eye to the brutality that fills its vaults, De Beers has become a lightning rod for criticism about the diamond industry. Only time will tell if the public can stay focused on the pertinent issues or surrender to De Beers's intense media campaign.

De Beers also single handedly invented the idea that diamonds should be given for an engagement. Prior to the 20th century, diamonds were not especially coveted or considered valuable because of their relative abundance, and were mostly used for industrial purposes. De Beers set about to create a market other than industrial uses for diamonds so they came up with the whole engagement idea.

In the 20s and 30s they paid movie studios to add scenes featuring the now familiar man on his knees presenting a diamond, which previously had nothing to do with courtship. They chose that method because it was thought that if the man were expected to 'surprise' the woman with a diamond, it would be preferable to the already engaged couple going to pick out a gem together, in which case they might level-headedly decide that the money was better spent on something else.

What a business model! Monopolize the distribution of a marginally valuable product, create a market for it from scratch, and raise armies to act with extreme vengeance against anyone who may challenge the cartel.

Don't buy a diamond. Ever.
 

notfred

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there is no sort of tradition involved with diamond rings
I don't know how you can possibly claim that's true. Even if it was started in the 30s by De Beers, it's been tradition for 70 years now, which, just for reference, is twice as long as the Super Bowl has been around.
 

Eli

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I didn't read your post in full.. but it sounds to me like you're saying diamonds are worthless, when they clearly are not. :p

They are worth $ because they're rare and considered precious gems. Same principal as Gold.

I just won't buy any diamonds from De Beers. :p
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: Eli
I didn't read your post in full.. but it sounds to me like you're saying diamonds are worthless, when they clearly are not. :p

They are worth $ because they're rare and considered precious gems. Same principal as Gold.

I just won't buy any diamonds from De Beers. :p

they arent that rare if De Beers is hoarding them... they are only rare to find in the market since someone already has all of them
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Eli
I didn't read your post in full.. but it sounds to me like you're saying diamonds are worthless, when they clearly are not. :p

They are worth $ because they're rare and considered precious gems. Same principal as Gold.

I just won't buy any diamonds from De Beers. :p




That may be harder than you think.

 

BigSmooth

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Diamonds DO have value. Whether it is "inflated" or "artificial" or not, they have value. There is demand for them, so there is a market for them.

Willie Mays' rookie card is made of cardboard, but people want it so it has value.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Eli
I didn't read your post in full.. but it sounds to me like you're saying diamonds are worthless, when they clearly are not. :p

They are worth $ because they're rare and considered precious gems. Same principal as Gold.

I just won't buy any diamonds from De Beers. :p


That may be harder than you think.
Are you suggesting that De Beers is the only company that mines diamonds, and diamonds are only found in Africa?
 

yobarman

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We Debeers isn't much of a monopoly anymore because a pair of guys found diamonds in Canada so the debeers monopoly is slowly collapsing.
 

Rilescat

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OHHH>...I have a whole rant about this. Basically take a look at the number of married (or engaged) women in the United States alone that have diamonds on their hands and start ranting from their!

PM me if you want the whole rant....it is pretty long.

 

blackdogdeek

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too late. already bought an engagement ring and a wedding band. i don't know if they have de beers diamonds in them though.
 

MaxDepth

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
they arent that rare if De Beers is hoarding them... they are only rare to find in the market since someone already has all of them
No comment about the topic but I did notice your sig.
Shouldn't it read "BAD SPELLERS YOUNIGHT"
Dyslexic spellers untie.
 

pukemon

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Ahh yes I've read this before some time back. I agree completely however, facts won't changed time honored tradition, and it sure as heck isn't going to change the mindset of the just about the entire world's female population.

So basically, suck it up fellas, a diamond is forever(tm).
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RyanM

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Originally posted by: Bootprint
What about Canadian Arctic Diamonds?

By buying a diamond at all, you're contributing to the "demand" side of the economics, and although that diamond may not have blood on it, you're nonetheless supporting the diamond industry as a whole, which includes De Beers.

Originally posted by: Whade
Try telling that to your spouse...

Perhaps if more women knew how many people have been killed by the diamond cartels, they'd think differently. Unfortunately, few people seem to know this. Every time I bring it up, I get scoffed at.

People are willing to sit outside of fashion shows and protest the cruel treatment of animals and the "evil" of fur coats, but when f*cking humans are being killed in civil wars funded by the diamond trade, nobody gives two sh!ts.

It's repulsive.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Eli
I didn't read your post in full.. but it sounds to me like you're saying diamonds are worthless, when they clearly are not. :p

They are worth $ because they're rare and considered precious gems. Same principal as Gold.

I just won't buy any diamonds from De Beers. :p


That may be harder than you think.
Are you suggesting that De Beers is the only company that mines diamonds, and diamonds are only found in Africa?



No, I was just suggesting that it can be next to impossible to know where the stone actually came from.

 

theNEOone

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anyone want to get together and pull off the biggest heist in history? what's my attack plan? well, we can start with either this or this. the rest is cake....
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Eli
I didn't read your post in full.. but it sounds to me like you're saying diamonds are worthless, when they clearly are not. :p

They are worth $ because they're rare and considered precious gems. Same principal as Gold.

I just won't buy any diamonds from De Beers. :p


That may be harder than you think.
Are you suggesting that De Beers is the only company that mines diamonds, and diamonds are only found in Africa?






But it is more than likely from DeBeers at some point. It doesn't really matter. Do the women of the world really care if some nameless colored people suffer so they can get thier shiny rocks?? No. So they are screwed. I personally refuse to ever buy any diamonds, but that isn't going to stop everyone else.
 

Rainsford

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Women: "I won't belive you really love me until you buy me a ring with a stone that I'm supposed to want for some reason."
Man who is not a tool: "Guess our love really doesn't mean that much then."
Most men: "Sure, I can't think of a better way to spend hundreds of dollars!"

Personally I think those smarmy commercials are to blame. They've managed to convince entire generations of people that love can only be represented by a shiny rock on a ring. Kind of sad if you think about it.