Donovan McNabb is not good, he gets press because he is Black ??????????

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Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Randall Cunningham is 5 times the quarterback that McNabb will ever be

McNabb is a no-talent having wannabe NFL quarterback that finally had a semidecent game the other night.

What Rush said was not racist, just questionable. What he said was no more racist then what Jimmy the Greek or the Cub skipper said a while back. What they said was the truth but was a bitter pill to swallow.
Ah Jimmy the Greek. I can assure you that if he wasn't in the bag at the time he would have never said what he did. BTW, Cunningham was 5 times the Athlete, not 5 times the QB. As a field General he left a lot to be desired.

P.S. I don't think this should cost Rush his job but I do think the head of ESPN or who ever is in charge with programming should tell him to keep his political opinions to himself or speak them on his Political show.

Maybe so, then again McNabb did not have Buddy Ryan running defense to back him up

Why is Rush even on ESPN?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Randall Cunningham is 5 times the quarterback that McNabb will ever be

McNabb is a no-talent having wannabe NFL quarterback that finally had a semidecent game the other night.

What Rush said was not racist, just questionable. What he said was no more racist then what Jimmy the Greek or the Cub skipper said a while back. What they said was the truth but was a bitter pill to swallow.
Ah Jimmy the Greek. I can assure you that if he wasn't in the bag at the time he would have never said what he did. BTW, Cunningham was 5 times the Athlete, not 5 times the QB. As a field General he left a lot to be desired.

P.S. I don't think this should cost Rush his job but I do think the head of ESPN or who ever is in charge with programming should tell him to keep his political opinions to himself or speak them on his Political show.

Maybe so, then again McNabb did not have Buddy Ryan running defense to back him up

Why is Rush even on ESPN?
Because he is actually very good. If he can keep his political opinions to himself he might very well excel at the job.

You know when there is a Racial or outward Political story to be commented on regarding sports then I believe that he should be able to express his feelings but I don't believe that he should be the source of the news.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: NeoV
Jessica Lynch's story was built-up to be much more than it really was for reasons that have nothing at all to do with racism or sexism...had Joe Anonymous been in the same position she was in it would have likely led to a similarly enhanced story - lone soldier left, fought till he ran out of bullets, beaten in captivity, left to die, rescued in a daring night-time raid, etc, etc... No correlation at all to Rush's statements.

Hardly. She was picked to be the focal point because she was a woman, and it would sell stories. It's an exact correlation to the Rush quote.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Limbaugh is not good, he gets press because idiots agree with him.

Red, are you on prozac? this isnt a Red Flame we have come to expect. Common you can do better than this fizzle.
 

nitsuj3580

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Randall Cunningham is 5 times the athlete that McNabb will ever be

McNabb is a no-talent having wannabe NFL quarterback that finally had a semidecent game the other night.

What Rush said was not racist, just questionable. What he said was no more racist then what Jimmy the Greek or the Cub skipper said a while back. What they said was the truth but was a bitter pill to swallow.

yes, no-talent QB's make the ProBowl 3 our of their first 4 years in the league a starter and finish runner up in MVP awards
rolleye.gif
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Limbaugh is not good, he gets press because idiots agree with him.

Red, are you on prozac? this isnt a Red Flame we have come to expect. Common you can do better than this fizzle.
It was just a play on words regarding the topic of the thread. Obviously Rush is good or he wouldn't be where he was. Good at what is a whole different topic though.

 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: nitsuj3580
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Randall Cunningham is 5 times the athlete that McNabb will ever be

McNabb is a no-talent having wannabe NFL quarterback that finally had a semidecent game the other night.

What Rush said was not racist, just questionable. What he said was no more racist then what Jimmy the Greek or the Cub skipper said a while back. What they said was the truth but was a bitter pill to swallow.

yes, no-talent QB's make the ProBowl 3 our of their first 4 years in the league a starter and finish runner up in MVP awards
rolleye.gif

Didn't help them much in the post season did it?

I can't help it if voters in this day and age are suffering from mental retardation
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: nitsuj3580
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Randall Cunningham is 5 times the athlete that McNabb will ever be

McNabb is a no-talent having wannabe NFL quarterback that finally had a semidecent game the other night.

What Rush said was not racist, just questionable. What he said was no more racist then what Jimmy the Greek or the Cub skipper said a while back. What they said was the truth but was a bitter pill to swallow.

yes, no-talent QB's make the ProBowl 3 our of their first 4 years in the league a starter and finish runner up in MVP awards
rolleye.gif

Didn't help them much in the post season did it?

I can't help it if voters in this day and age are suffering from mental retardation

Uhhh, my memory is a little fuzzy, but I seem to recall AJ Feeley playing most of the post season last year....
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

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I personally think McNabb is slightly overrated... not quite the God of the position that many think he is IMHO.
However, as has been said, he has a lack of playmakers on offense and has to MAKE things happen by himself... which of course often leads to mistakes and miscues.
If a little pressure was taken off McNabb then he probably could live up to the hype.

As for the comments of RL... who cares... he is as arrogant a bastard as I have ever had the displeasure of hearing speak.

 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
McNabb sucks and everyone knows it but eagles fans.
Last year he played in only 10 games:

2289 yds passing
17 TD
6 INT
6.34 yds avg

460 yards rushing
6 TD

extend that to 16 games and you get:

3600 yards pasing
27 TD
10 INT

736 yards rushing
10 TD

Those are all-pro numbers with a team without a marquee WR or RB

blah blah blah blah
extend that to 16 games and maybe he has -10 rush yards and 15 more int's you don't know.

He sucks. Accept the fact and move on.
you're a f*cking retard, plain and simple. look at every great quarterback in history - elway, montana, marino, etc. and compare the stats for their first 4 seasons. mcnabb has much better stats.

Marino threw for 142 TD's 16000+ yards his first 4 years
Elway threw for 66 TD's 11600+ yards his first 4 years
Joe Montana played in 4 Super Bowls and he won them all

while
McNabb threw for 71 TD's 9800+ yards his first 4 years.

McNabb would be honored to hold their jock straps
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
McNabb sucks and everyone knows it but eagles fans.
Last year he played in only 10 games:

2289 yds passing
17 TD
6 INT
6.34 yds avg

460 yards rushing
6 TD

extend that to 16 games and you get:

3600 yards pasing
27 TD
10 INT

736 yards rushing
10 TD

Those are all-pro numbers with a team without a marquee WR or RB

blah blah blah blah
extend that to 16 games and maybe he has -10 rush yards and 15 more int's you don't know.

He sucks. Accept the fact and move on.
you're a f*cking retard, plain and simple. look at every great quarterback in history - elway, montana, marino, etc. and compare the stats for their first 4 seasons. mcnabb has much better stats.

Marino threw for 142 TD's 16000+ yards his first 4 years
Elway threw for 66 TD's 11600+ yards his first 4 years
Joe Montana played in 4 Super Bowls and he won them all

while
McNabb threw for 71 TD's 9800+ yards his first 4 years.

McNabb would be honored to hold their jock straps

I dont usually say this, but...

pwned!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
McNabb sucks and everyone knows it but eagles fans.
Last year he played in only 10 games:

2289 yds passing
17 TD
6 INT
6.34 yds avg

460 yards rushing
6 TD

extend that to 16 games and you get:

3600 yards pasing
27 TD
10 INT

736 yards rushing
10 TD

Those are all-pro numbers with a team without a marquee WR or RB

blah blah blah blah
extend that to 16 games and maybe he has -10 rush yards and 15 more int's you don't know.

He sucks. Accept the fact and move on.
you're a f*cking retard, plain and simple. look at every great quarterback in history - elway, montana, marino, etc. and compare the stats for their first 4 seasons. mcnabb has much better stats.

Marino threw for 142 TD's 16000+ yards his first 4 years
Elway threw for 66 TD's 11600+ yards his first 4 years
Joe Montana played in 4 Super Bowls and he won them all

while
McNabb threw for 71 TD's 9800+ yards his first 4 years.

McNabb would be honored to hold their jock straps
All QB's today would be Honored!

 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: nitsuj3580
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Randall Cunningham is 5 times the athlete that McNabb will ever be

McNabb is a no-talent having wannabe NFL quarterback that finally had a semidecent game the other night.

What Rush said was not racist, just questionable. What he said was no more racist then what Jimmy the Greek or the Cub skipper said a while back. What they said was the truth but was a bitter pill to swallow.

yes, no-talent QB's make the ProBowl 3 our of their first 4 years in the league a starter and finish runner up in MVP awards
rolleye.gif

Didn't help them much in the post season did it?

I can't help it if voters in this day and age are suffering from mental retardation

Uhhh, my memory is a little fuzzy, but I seem to recall AJ Feeley playing most of the post season last year....

Was McNabb too hurt to pway?

How many touchdowns has he thrown for or run for this year? How does none grab you?
How about interceptions? How does 3 grab you?

I saw his Tampa Bay game and thought to myself, that is the worst I have ever saw a quarterback play on any level...then I saw the next week and he surprised me by playing even worse.
 

bigdog1218

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Limbaugh's an idiot. The Eagles' offense would be nothing without McNabb.

The eagles were 5-1 without mcnabb last year. So McNabb doesn't contribute anymore to the eagles offense than their 2nd and 3rd QB's.
 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Randall Cunningham is 5 times the quarterback that McNabb will ever be

McNabb is a no-talent having wannabe NFL quarterback that finally had a semidecent game the other night.

What Rush said was not racist, just questionable. What he said was no more racist then what Jimmy the Greek or the Cub skipper said a while back. What they said was the truth but was a bitter pill to swallow.
Ah Jimmy the Greek. I can assure you that if he wasn't in the bag at the time he would have never said what he did. BTW, Cunningham was 5 times the Athlete, not 5 times the QB. As a field General he left a lot to be desired.

P.S. I don't think this should cost Rush his job but I do think the head of ESPN or who ever is in charge with programming should tell him to keep his political opinions to himself or speak them on his Political show.

nothing political about his comments, unless mean the politics of the NFL (which is an appropriate subject for the show)
 

Dead3ye

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Originally posted by: Mani
Limbaugh's an idiot. The Eagles' offense would be nothing without McNabb.

The Eagles' offense is nothing with McNabb. You mean it could be worse? :Q
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: bigdog1218
Limbaugh's an idiot. The Eagles' offense would be nothing without McNabb.

The eagles were 5-1 without mcnabb last year. So McNabb doesn't contribute anymore to the eagles offense than their 2nd and 3rd QB's.

Misleading statistic. 4 out of those 5 wins were against seattle, st. louis, arizona, and dallas - all crap teams with losing records. And the one loss was to the Giants, who McNabb won against earlier in the season.
 

Kev

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Ladies Man
McNabb sucks and everyone knows it but eagles fans.
Last year he played in only 10 games:

2289 yds passing
17 TD
6 INT
6.34 yds avg

460 yards rushing
6 TD

extend that to 16 games and you get:

3600 yards pasing
27 TD
10 INT

736 yards rushing
10 TD

Those are all-pro numbers with a team without a marquee WR or RB

blah blah blah blah
extend that to 16 games and maybe he has -10 rush yards and 15 more int's you don't know.

He sucks. Accept the fact and move on.
you're a f*cking retard, plain and simple. look at every great quarterback in history - elway, montana, marino, etc. and compare the stats for their first 4 seasons. mcnabb has much better stats.

Marino threw for 142 TD's 16000+ yards his first 4 years
Elway threw for 66 TD's 11600+ yards his first 4 years
Joe Montana played in 4 Super Bowls and he won them all

while
McNabb threw for 71 TD's 9800+ yards his first 4 years.

McNabb would be honored to hold their jock straps
Way to pick and choose the statistics you want to look at. The only QB that was a lot better than McNabb was Marino. But Marino's Dolphins had the most 1-dimentional offense in football, all they did was pass so of course he will have better stats.

The point of all this, is that you are an imbecile if you think McNabb is overrated

From: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/6708481.htm


After four seasons in the NFL, it's at least interesting and perhaps even informative to see where McNabb stands against some of the NFL's all-time great quarterbacks. Without any statistical comparison, we can tell you he's leaps and bounds ahead of Hoying.

McNabb has a 31-17 regular-season record as a starter and a 4-3 record in the playoffs. He has completed 932 of 1,639 passes (56.9 percent) for 9,835 yards and 71 touchdowns. He has also thrown 38 interceptions. His best passer rating was an 86.0 last season. McNabb has also rushed for 1,884 yards and 14 touchdowns.

How does that compare with Aikman?

After four seasons with Dallas, he had a 27-27 record as a starting quarterback and a 4-1 playoff record. He had completed 920 of 1,528 passes (60.2 percent) for 10,527 yards and 54 touchdowns. He had thrown 60 interceptions. His best passer rating at that point in his career was 89.5, which he accomplished in his fourth season, when he led the Cowboys to a 13-3 record and the first of their three Super Bowl titles under his direction.

How does McNabb compare to John Elway?

After four seasons with Denver, Elway had a 38-18 record as a starter and a 2-2 playoff record. He had completed 944 of 1,748 passes (54.0 percent) for 11,637 yards and 66 touchdowns. He had thrown 65 interceptions and run for 893 yards and three touchdowns. His best passer rating in his first four seasons was 79.0 in his fourth year, when he took Denver to the Super Bowl.

What about Green Bay's Brett Favre, the quarterback whom McNabb has probably been compared to the most often?

After four seasons in the league, Favre had a 26-19 record as a starter and a 2-2 playoff record. He had completed 983 of 1,580 passes (62.2 percent) for 10,412 yards and 70 touchdowns. He had thrown 53 interceptions and rushed for 616 yards and four touchdowns.

In terms of personal statistics, nobody ever had a better first four years than Dan Marino. His Miami teams went 41-16 in the regular season and 3-3 in the playoffs. He completed 1,249 of 2,050 passes (60.9 percent) for an amazing 16,177 yards and 142 touchdowns. In his second season, he established an NFL record of 48 TD passes that still stands, and he took the Dolphins to the Super Bowl. Nobody could have guessed at that stage of his career that Marino would never win a title or even return to the Super Bowl.

Montana led San Francisco to a 13-3 record and a Super Bowl title in his third season, but his personal numbers don't begin to compare to McNabb's over their first four seasons. Montana's regular-season record was a modest 18-15, and he had completed 713 of 1,130 passes (63.1 percent) for 8,069 yards and 52 touchdowns. He had thrown 32 interceptions and rushed for 312 yards and five touchdowns. Nobody knew at that point that he'd become perhaps the greatest quarterback ever.

Aikman, Elway, Favre, Marino and Montana.

That's select company and, at least after four seasons, McNabb belongs in it. The only thing he doesn't have that four of the other five had at this stage of their careers is a Super Bowl appearance. He has come close twice, taking the Eagles to back-to-back NFC championship games. None of the above had made two conference championship appearances in their first four seasons.
 

Kev

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oh and we can also add the fact that mcnabb doesn't have the likes of Steve Watson, Sterling Sharpe, Jerry Rice, Mark Duper, Mark Clayton, or Michael Irvin catching his passes.
 

Dragnov

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Meh, all those statistics are loaded. How can you compare the QB's w/ stats in different eras, different teams, etc.

I think McNabb is definitely good. PUt in the ranks of Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve Young, Dan Marion, Brett Favre? I think not. But thats all opinion, which is what Limbaugh gave.
 

Kev

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Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Meh, all those statistics are loaded. How can you compare the QB's w/ stats in different eras, different teams, etc.

I think McNabb is definitely good. PUt in the ranks of Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve Young, Dan Marion, Brett Favre? I think not. But thats all opinion, which is what Limbaugh gave.

i'm not comparing their total careers. i'm only focusing on the first 4 years. i'm just sick of these morons who say he sucks and is overrated because of 2 bad games.
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Why is Rush even on ESPN?

To get the ratings of ESPN Gameday up. Apparently, it is working. They are up.