Donald Trump releases his birth certificate, demands Obama does the same

[CallMeJoe]

...The equivalent would be the driver handing the officer a xerox copy of the license or photograph of the license.

No, the equivalent would be the driver handing the officer a replacement license.

Are you really this dense, or are you just trying out your new IBM Trollectric II keyboard?

 

[Matt1970]

Why should the President of the United States be able arbitrarily to force the State of Hawaii to provide more thorough documention of his birth than it would of any other citizen's birth in that state?

Because he is the President of the United States. He isn't the average Joe off the street. He has one of the few jobs that require him to be a natural born citizen. If he showed the document, I would shut up. I just don't understand the excuses and massive effort to hide it. In the back of your minds you have to know there may be something amiss for all this covering up to go on.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

No, the equivalent would be the driver handing the officer a replacement license.

Are you really this dense, or are you just trying out your new IBM Trollectric II keyboard?

not true. The document issued in 2007 isn't an identical copy of the original. The duplicate license is identical to the original.

 

[Pens1566]

Why should the President of the United States be able arbitrarily to force the State of Hawaii to provide more thorough documention of his birth than it would of any other citizen's birth in that state?

Have you see his name? And oh btw, did I mention he's black?

 

[Matt1970]

Let's recap.

- Conspiracy theorists claimed he wasn't a citizen.
A release of the original Birth Certificate would have done it, but Obama decided to do this instead:
- So Obama had the COLB that the campaign obtained released. THEN,
- Conspiracy theorists said it was PhotoShop and "proved it" with analysis of text halos, lack of creases, lack of a raised seal, etc.
A release of the original Birth Certificate would have done it, but Obama decided to do this instead:

- So Obama had third parties examine it and more images popped up showing clear text, creases, a raised seal, etc. THEN,
- Conspiracy theorists said it was a forgery and had "proof" from their forensic analysts.
A release of the original Birth Certificate would have done it, but Obama decided to do this instead:
- So Obama had the staffers in the Hawaii Department of Health verify that the document number was that of a legitimate birth certificate, THEN,
- Conspiracy theorists said they wouldn't believe it unless someone from the state made a public and official statement
A release of the original Birth Certificate would have done it, but Obama decided to do this instead:
- So Obama had the Health Department Director and the registrar of vital statistics issue a press release stating they personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate, THEN
- Conspiracy theorists demanded the original long form birth certificate

And tha's where we are. Can I fill in for you what would happens next?

- So Obama releases his long form birth certificate, THEN,
We Go Away

Just release the original Birth Certificate

 

[NoStateofMind]

Where is the dead horse has the original been shown? I've seen lots of evidence none of it what was asked for. Provide what was asked for and we go away.

I respect your right to waste your own time and energy on a NON ISSUE. Lay on the ground kicking and screaming and we will just walk by wondering WTF kind of drugs you were on. It's great you want to fight for a cause you just need to learn when and where to fight your battles. So go ahead, make all the stink you want but I promise you it will get no further than this thread.

 

[umbrella39]

LOLBirthers

 

[werepossum]

Whatever the reason for not showing it, I'm entitled to think its shady. He has been deceptive conning the public whenever he gets the chance on every other matter so I'm not sure why I or anyone should give him a pass here.

Certainly you're entitled to think it's shady; all politicians need to be suspected at all times. But even without the original long form birth certificate, there's pretty strong evidence that Obama was born in Honolulu, AND once he became the first black major party nominee it was no longer practical to remove him, AND we have Biden waiting in the wings. So we have a situation where this document doesn't really seem to be needed, action resulting from finding otherwise isn't politically or socially feasible, and such action would be bad from almost everyone's point of view. (Remember, Biden was pulling maybe 2% of the Democrat primary voters on a good day.)

Pushing this issue merely makes Republicans look petty if not racist, success (meaning Obama's removal) on this issue would without question harm Republicans politically, and success (again, meaning Obama's removal) on this issue would certainly harm the country. Setting aside Biden's performance which cannot be known but can only be assumed, removing the first black President for ineligibility after the fact would convince many blacks and probably other minorities that the system is not in fact honest, lessening their reasons to support it and increasing their reasons to overthrow it.

Given all this, why anyone wants to make this an issue is beyond me. Tighten the procedures after he leaves office, definitely. Investigate it on the History channel after his term(s), sure. Make it an issue for his re-election - not a chance. All possible outcomes are bad for the Republicans, and most are bad for the country, considering that a President Biden would certainly only reduce the intelligence of the man pushing essentially the same policies.

 

[Matt1970]

Hey, don't blame us. Hillary Clinton's campaign 2008 started all this.

 

[dca221]

difference being nobody gives a flying fuck about trig palin.

Why don't you give a fuck? Sarah Palin was almost a heart beat away from presidency and may well be elected president in 2012. She claims she gave birth to Trig, but has provided no proof outside of ever-shifting stories, unlike Obama's official HI certified birth certificate.

Aren't you concerned about what she, a potential POTUS, may be hiding?

Or is it good enought that she is white?

 

[dca221]

no I think if it is presented publicly that would suffice. I don't need to hold it. I don't think anyone needs to hold it, you are getting a bit carried away.

FYI - I voted for Obama. I'm not racist or whatever you imply.

Yes, I agree. Please Sarah Palin, present Trig Palin's birth certificate publicly. I don't understand why you haven't done so yet.

FYI - I didn't vote for McCain/Palin. But I am not against special-needs babies or white christian women

 

[dca221]

Whatever the reason for not showing it, I'm entitled to think its shady. Sarah Palin has been deceptive conning the public whenever she gets the chance on every other matter so I'm not sure why I or anyone should give her a pass here.

Fixed it for you

Please Sarah Palin, release Trig Palin's birth certificate

 

[dca221]

Just release the original Birth Certificate

Yes, please! Release Trig Palin's birth certificate

 

[dca221]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/proof-please.html

Transparency, Please
06 Oct 2008 10:47 am

Back in her time as a Christianist culture warrior in Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin demanded total transparency from her moderate Republican opponent:

Within a few months, Palin was officially challenging Stein and exploiting the cultural shift masterfully. She welcomed a national anti-abortion group in to carpet bomb Wasilla with pink postcards affirming her pro-life bona fides. She orchestrated an NRA endorsement and a mailing from the group falsely proclaiming Stein, a lifelong hunter, "anti-gun." (Stein complained to the local newspaper that Palin was telling voters he wanted to "melt down" all the firearms in the state.) And, in a move practically out of Karl Rove's playbook, she dwelled on how Stein's wife used her maiden name, going so far as to demand a marriage certificate as proof of their nuptials. Palin's campaign literature proclaimed her "deeply devoted to conservative family values"--all in the context of an ostensibly nonpartisan election. (Stein himself was a moderate Republican.)

So it is part of Palin's record to demand the marriage license of a fellow Republican, but to ask for any medical confirmation of the mysterious birth of Trig earlier this year, any affidavit from the obstetrician, any objective evidence at all that Trig is indeed Sarah Palin's biological child is, well, in the words of John Podhoretz, "virtually unspeakable." Look: this is usually not hard at all. Births are recorded at the hospitals where they occur. And, as you might expect, there's a long list of babies born at Mat-Su Medical center, where we are told Trig was born on April 18 this year. But for some reason, Trig Palin's name is not among them.

Why would a hospital exhaustively record all births on their premises and leave out easily the most famous baby ever born there? There were only 24 births at Mat-Su in April of this year: it's not like they could have mislaid one. So why is there no formal record of Trig's birth? This is not an "unspeakable" question. It's a simple factual one. Presumably there's an explanation. Perhaps the Palins decided that it would be an invasion of Trig's privacy to have the birth actually recorded in the hospital where he was born. But at least they should be able to tell us that. Or perhaps the hospital decided for some reason not to record that one birth. I have no idea. I do know that if Sarah Palin were running against Sarah Palin, she would demand evidence, as she did with something just as accessible with respect to John Stein's marriage license.

How much longer are we supposed to put up with the far right running on different standards than everyone else? Hand over all the medical records and put Sarah Palin in front of a press conference now. We need answers to an almost dizzyingly long list of questions and accountability for an equally long list of public lies.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Talking in circles again. I didn't ask for a copy of birth certificate. I'm not doubting the authenticity of the 2007 copy.

I don't care about trump he isn't president and he doesn't regularly con the american public.

Take that up with the Governor of HI, since he has already verified it. And the copy provided is an OFFICIAL STATE OF HI BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Take that up with the Governor of HI, since he has already verified it. And the copy provided is an OFFICIAL STATE OF HI BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Oh yes I remember now. It was a headline on drudgereport, He announced he would release the original then like 2 days later rescinded. how convenient. lol

 

[werepossum]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/proof-please.html

Transparency, Please
06 Oct 2008 10:47 am

Back in her time as a Christianist culture warrior in Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin demanded total transparency from her moderate Republican opponent:



So it is part of Palin's record to demand the marriage license of a fellow Republican, but to ask for any medical confirmation of the mysterious birth of Trig earlier this year, any affidavit from the obstetrician, any objective evidence at all that Trig is indeed Sarah Palin's biological child is, well, in the words of John Podhoretz, "virtually unspeakable." Look: this is usually not hard at all. Births are recorded at the hospitals where they occur. And, as you might expect, there's a long list of babies born at Mat-Su Medical center, where we are told Trig was born on April 18 this year. But for some reason, Trig Palin's name is not among them.

Why would a hospital exhaustively record all births on their premises and leave out easily the most famous baby ever born there? There were only 24 births at Mat-Su in April of this year: it's not like they could have mislaid one. So why is there no formal record of Trig's birth? This is not an "unspeakable" question. It's a simple factual one. Presumably there's an explanation. Perhaps the Palins decided that it would be an invasion of Trig's privacy to have the birth actually recorded in the hospital where he was born. But at least they should be able to tell us that. Or perhaps the hospital decided for some reason not to record that one birth. I have no idea. I do know that if Sarah Palin were running against Sarah Palin, she would demand evidence, as she did with something just as accessible with respect to John Stein's marriage license.

How much longer are we supposed to put up with the far right running on different standards than everyone else? Hand over all the medical records and put Sarah Palin in front of a press conference now. We need answers to an almost dizzyingly long list of questions and accountability for an equally long list of public lies.

Congratulations on being officially crazier than Birthers. It's a pretty high bar, but you cleared it with air to spare.

I suggest adding "/sarcasm" to your posts, else we'll be tempted to take you seriously.

 

[L00PY]

Because he is the President of the United States. He isn't the average Joe off the street. He has one of the few jobs that require him to be a natural born citizen. If he showed the document, I would shut up. I just don't understand the excuses and massive effort to hide it. In the back of your minds you have to know there may be something amiss for all this covering up to go on.

But he has already released documentation proving that he was born in the United States (Honolulu to be precise). If you agree that the Hawaii COLB is authentic, then you're agreeing that he's a natural born citizen. Showing anything else wouldn't change that fact.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Oh yes I remember now. It was a headline on drudgereport, He announced he would release the original then like 2 days later rescinded. how convenient. lol

And he went to the Hawaii Dept of Vital Statistics and they gave him an OFFICIAL COPY. THE SAME ONE THEY GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE.

 

[jonks]

But he has already released documentation proving that he was born in the United States (Honolulu to be precise). If you agree that the Hawaii COLB is authentic, then you're agreeing that he's a natural born citizen. Showing anything else wouldn't change that fact.

I already posted your irrefutable chronology, it's amazing how people can just keep going.
"Yes, I understand the COLB is the HI birth certificate issued today. Yes I believe it's authentic (well, now I do since our failed attempt to discredit it anyway...) But I want more. Then I'll be satisfied. Really. Honestly. I super swear.

The story should read like this:

"Political opponents demanded candidate Obama produce his birth certificate. In response, the Obama campaign filled out the official request form with the state of Hawaii and were sent the birth certificate document issued by that state. The Obama campaign made the document publicly available. For no logical reason they could articulate, opponents were not satisfied."

Ignoring all the rest that has actually followed (the official statements, the newspaper announcements), anything that came after the initial production of the document enters conspiracytheoryland.

 

[RedChief]

Could it be that he is not releasing it because something on there could be bad for his image/persona?

Maybe that the original showed his name being changed to Soetoro from Obama? (my birth cert has the same thing). Or that his name is listed as Barry and not Barack (since he went by Barry through college).

 

[umbrella39]

Yes, please! Release Trig Palin's birth certificate

This! Let's see how many kids Bristol really has.

 

[Matt1970]

Just release it. It's not like he is any risk of being impeached with a Democrat majority in the Senate.

 

[Brainonska511]

Just release it. It's not like he is any risk of being impeached with a Democrat majority in the Senate.

Screw that. He's already done more than enough to prove he was born in Hawaii.

This continuing issue is great though - we can see who all the nutcases are and laugh at them.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

And he went to the Hawaii Dept of Vital Statistics and they gave him an OFFICIAL COPY. THE SAME ONE THEY GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE.

yes this has been made very clear dozens of times. Do you think continually repeating will make the original appear?