Donald Trump - not a fan of the 6th Amendment

[chucky2]

Its funny because you are the only one here who has self admitted to using an alt account.

Unfortunately for you, you misread that into thinking I made an alt account. Doh!

 

[chucky2]

You're literally confusing one person for another and mostly just repeating yourself. Most people, esp not particularly bright ones, are not self-aware of early onset.

No, I'm not confused at all Alt haha. Are you now telling us that you're not self-aware?! Your Alt isn't an Alt, but you have MPD, bipolar, etc? That could explain your posting behavior...

This poster has been the subject of several bolded mod comments that he was extensively looked into and zero evidence was found that his account is an Alt. Just like the poster yesterday, I'm going to give you a zero point warning this time only. But, everyone, the next jamoke who calls him an alt is going to get dinged. Let it go, please.

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[WelshBloke]

Oh yes, because folks don't care about terrorism when a white non-Muslim does it. If that's what you want to say then just say it directly instead of implying it. You'd be wrong but at least you'd make what you think is a point.

There was a lot of support (material and soft) of the IRA in NA in the 70s and 80s.

 

[glenn1]

There was a lot of support (material and soft) of the IRA in NA in the 70s and 80s.

Just as today there is support from North America for various Islamic radical groups including people travelling to the Middle East to fight alongside ISIS or Al Qaeda. There is no evidence those folks are representative of the larger population. Pointing out something isn't universally true in every instance doesn't mean you've disproved the larger point. Outside a few nutjobs like the Westboro Baptist Church people don't find terrorism committed by white folks less horrible than terrorism committed by brown folks. Americans didn't see Timothy McVeigh blow up a building and say "that's just a good old boy having fun." They didn't see Dylan Roof shoot up a church and say "thank goodness a white guy finally took initiative." People don't go around saying, "Ya know what we need is an affirmative action program so more poor white kids can become successful terrorists when they grow up, the U.S. is falling behind Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in the rankings."

 

[agent00f]

How about you just answer my question, you don't need 'context' to say yes/no.

1. Do you disagree with Trump's call for "speedy but fair trials"? (Y/N)
2. Do you disagree with Trump's call for "harsh punishment" for convicted terrorists? (Y/N)

Context is important to understanding a situation. The situation is that trump just says whatever riles up a crowd (eg. the wall just got 10ft taller); the statements have no meaning in themselves other than what they reflect in their audience. Someone explaining this to you isn't that audience, so ponder for a while what the first part of this sentence means.

No, I'm not confused at all Alt haha. Are you now telling us that you're not self-aware?! Your Alt isn't an Alt, but you have MPD, bipolar, etc? That could explain your posting behavior...

No, someone who gets the wrong idea and sticks with it for the rest of their life is pretty much the posterchild for confused. Just like you mentioned above you were raised to be racist, and presumably that's how it's going to be 'til the day you die. I've often mentioned that ignorant stubbornness to be the general case particularly among the lowest common denominator of society, which is why it's important to make sure those wrong ideas die off with that generation, which our society is doing a reasonable job of.

Just as today there is support from North America for various Islamic radical groups including people travelling to the Middle East to fight alongside ISIS or Al Qaeda. There is no evidence those folks are representative of the larger population. Pointing out something isn't universally true in every instance doesn't mean you've disproved the larger point. Outside a few nutjobs like the Westboro Baptist Church people don't find terrorism committed by white folks less horrible than terrorism committed by brown folks. Americans didn't see Timothy McVeigh blow up a building and say "that's just a good old boy having fun." They didn't see Dylan Roof shoot up a church and say "thank goodness a white guy finally took initiative." People don't go around saying, "Ya know what we need is an affirmative action program so more poor white kids can become successful terrorists when they grow up, the U.S. is falling behind Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in the rankings."

Again this is a lot easier to understand within the context mentioned. There was no popular sentiment to kill or banish all the irish or such, and the reason is pretty obvious.

 

[Roflmouth]

Context is important to understanding a situation.

If you were too much of a coward to answer the questions, you probably shouldn't have responded.

 

[agent00f]

If you were too much of a coward to answer the questions, you probably shouldn't have responded.

Worth noting roflmouth is that audience.

 

[glenn1]

Context is important to understanding a situation. The situation is that trump just says whatever riles up a crowd (eg. the wall just got 10ft taller); the statements have no meaning in themselves other than what they reflect in their audience. Someone explaining this to you isn't that audience, so ponder for a while what the first part of this sentence means.

I'll take that to mean no.

 

[agent00f]

I'll take that to mean no.

Sometimes I make rather impromptu categorical claims like certain groups aren't the sort to understand anything. I can get away with this because their members all predictably show up for a helpful demonstration.

 

[ivwshane]

I'll take that to mean no.

What exactly does that have to do with anything?

Are you really playing stupid with the whole point of trumps speech? Are you really so stupid to believe the point trump was trying to make was that the trial would take too long?

I know righties have a hard time picking up on sarcasm but trumps sarcasm in that speech should be pretty easy to recognize by anyone. His whole point was how well the US justice system will treat this guy and how he finds that treatment to be sad.

Its quite remarkable how far the trump cult will go to carry water for this guy.

 

[chucky2]

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No, someone who gets the wrong idea and sticks with it for the rest of their life is pretty much the posterchild for confused. Just like you mentioned above you were raised to be racist, and presumably that's how it's going to be 'til the day you die. I've often mentioned that ignorant stubbornness to be the general case particularly among the lowest common denominator of society, which is why it's important to make sure those wrong ideas die off with that generation, which our society is doing a reasonable job of.
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So, you admit to being confused? Now I was raised to be racist? LOL You could say I guess I grew up in an environment where the outcome was everyone was racist was pretty much guaranteed. I don't think that helps "agent00f" case though given demographics... 😀

 

[agent00f]

So, you admit to being confused? Now I was raised to be racist? LOL You could say I guess I grew up in an environment where the outcome was everyone was racist was pretty much guaranteed. I don't think that helps "agent00f" case though given demographics... 😀

It's interesting that your ideology constantly talks about improving one's station in life, yet feels content to be forever uneducated, bigoted, and so on. They would consider themselves lazy & worthless if they weren't white.

 

[chucky2]

It's interesting that your ideology constantly talks about improving one's station in life

What are you talking about now "agent00f"? I don't advocate for people to constantly improve their station in life, so that couldn't be "your" i.e. my ideology. If they want to be losers, let them be losers. Just don't bitch about it and make excuses for it. Can you try and make one post which isn't a Fail?

, yet feels content to be forever uneducated, bigoted, and so on. They would consider themselves lazy & worthless if they weren't white.

And again more fail. Still plenty of time for the charity reveal...think of the children!

 

[agent00f]

What are you talking about now "agent00f"? I don't advocate for people to constantly improve their station in life, so that couldn't be "your" i.e. my ideology. If they want to be losers, let them be losers. Just don't bitch about it and make excuses for it. Can you try and make one post which isn't a Fail?

And again more fail. Still plenty of time for the charity reveal...think of the children!

No, your american conservative ideology talks pretty frequently about how minorities need to work harder instead of getting handouts. You know, try to make their separate but equal more equal. You in particular just happen to be more honest than most peers, and instead of simply implying blacks or such are lazy criminals, simply come out and say it.

I do admire that honesty since it shows american conservatism for what it really is.

 

[chucky2]

No, your american conservative ideology talks pretty frequently about how minorities need to work harder instead of getting handouts.

"Agent00f", I'm pretty sure 'American conservative ideology' talks pretty frequently about everyone working hard instead of getting handouts, regardless of their color. Yet another fail post from you... 🙁

You know, try to make their separate but equal more equal.

Or, looked at another way, mixed in with everyone else and instead of fucking off and everyone else having to pay for it, maybe actually produce like your future depended on it...sorta of like immigrants/"immigrants". Strange how people who weren't even born here make it, and their kids especially make it, yet people generations here have excuse after excuse why they cannot. You're 0 for 2 so far...

You in particular just happen to be more honest than most peers, and instead of simply implying blacks or such are lazy criminals, simply come out and say it.

I do? Where?

I do admire that honesty since it shows american conservatism for what it really is.

Thanks? 0 for 4...a strike out plus... 😀

 

[agent00f]

"Agent00f", I'm pretty sure 'American conservative ideology' talks pretty frequently about everyone working hard instead of getting handouts, regardless of their color. Yet another fail post from you... 🙁

Or, looked at another way, mixed in with everyone else and instead of fucking off and everyone else having to pay for it, maybe actually produce like your future depended on it...sorta of like immigrants/"immigrants". Strange how people who weren't even born here make it, and their kids especially make it, yet people generations here have excuse after excuse why they cannot. You're 0 for 2 so far...

I do? Where?

Thanks? 0 for 4...a strike out plus... 😀

H1b type immigrants, not that you would know any, are the best & brightest of their respective societies. In contrast the black version of yourself wouldn't do very well in comparison.

 

[Roflmouth]

H1b type immigrants, not that you would know any, are the best & brightest of their respective societies. In contrast the black version of yourself wouldn't do very well in comparison.

It's not surprising you feel that way, considering your racist statements against blacks on this very forum 🙂

 

[agent00f]

It's not surprising you feel that way, considering your racist statements against blacks on this very forum 🙂

Just a reminder that this is representative of american conservative behavior.

 

[Roflmouth]

Just a reminder that this is representative of american conservative behavior.

Thanks for admitting that "american conservatives" repeatedly denigrate racism 😉

 

[realibrad]

H1b type immigrants, not that you would know any, are the best & brightest of their respective societies. In contrast the black version of yourself wouldn't do very well in comparison.

A person who is an H1b immigrant simply needs to bring a better cost to benefit to a company. If the immigrant provides 90% of the production at 75% of the cost, then many companies will take that. Its not that the immigrant has to produce more, its that the immigrant represents a better value. If you were foreign born and had a chance to make 75% of what a typical person makes here in the US, why would you not take it if you were from a poor country?

I am also for H1b because I would rather have hard working people here in the US, because I believe in free market competition.

 

[agent00f]

Thanks for admitting that "american conservatives" repeatedly denigrate racism 😉

No, I'm pretty sure the guy who wants a final solution for muslims & such isn't denigrating racism or bigotry.

A person who is an H1b immigrant simply needs to bring a better cost to benefit to a company. If the immigrant provides 90% of the production at 75% of the cost, then many companies will take that. Its not that the immigrant has to produce more, its that the immigrant represents a better value. If you were foreign born and had a chance to make 75% of what a typical person makes here in the US, why would you not take it if you were from a poor country?

I am also for H1b because I would rather have hard working people here in the US, because I believe in free market competition.

You seem confused about what's going on. Chucky's claiming that all these quite successful immigrants demonstrate that the blacks & such don't get anywhere because they're lazy.

 

[realibrad]

No, I'm pretty sure the guy who wants a final solution for muslims & such isn't denigrating racism or bigotry.



You seem confused about what's going on. Chucky's claiming that all these quite successful immigrants demonstrate that the blacks & such don't get anywhere because they're lazy.

I don't think its lazy so much as a culture issue. There is something to the fact that a guy I work with from India came from extreme poverty and was still able to make a good life, and others are not. Not every situation is equal, but being born here in the US gives far more advantages than India.

 

[agent00f]

I don't think its lazy so much as a culture issue. There is something to the fact that a guy I work with from India came from extreme poverty and was still able to make a good life, and others are not. Not every situation is equal, but being born here in the US gives far more advantages than India.

Immigrants in general are selected for enough motivation to leave everything behind for a chance elsewhere.

Dummies w/o much perspective like to extrapolate from cherry-picked examples, and the racist ones use that as justification for their beliefs.

 

[x26]

he wants to make America less great

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...e_right_to_counsel_for_ahmad_khan_rahami.html

"In a speech on Monday, Donald Trump expressed his displeasure that Ahmad Khan Rahami, the suspect in the recent New York City bombings, will receive the full legal protections afforded to him by the federal Constitution. Trump specifically zeroed in on the fact that Rahami, a naturalized U.S. citizen, will presumably be provided a lawyer, as the Constitution requires. “He will be represented by an outstanding lawyer,” Trump complained with palpable chagrin. “His case will go through the various court systems for years and in the end, people will forget and his punishment will not be what it once would have been. What a sad situation. We must have speedy but fair trials and we must deliver a just and very harsh punishment to these people.”

What’s especially interesting about this quote isn’t that Trump opposes constitutional rights for U.S. citizens accused of terrorism; he has already made that quite clear. What’s fascinating is that the 6th Amendment’s right to counsel is a bedrock principle of American legal history that actually predates the Bill of Rights itself. In 1770, soon-to-be founding father John Adams agreed to defend the British soldiers accused of committing the Boston Massacre. Decades before the Constitution enshrined the right to an attorney as a cornerstone of due process, Adams believed that even the most unpopular criminal defendants deserved counsel, no matter how ghastly their alleged crimes. Adams, who secured acquittals for most of the accused, later wrote that his defense was “one of the most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested Actions of my whole Life, and one of the best Pieces of Service I ever rendered my Country.”

James Madison supported Adams’ view of the right to counsel as a fundamental component of liberty. He included it in his earliest drafts of the Bill of Rights, and it was approved without serious controversy at ratifying conventions. Indeed, the colonies were eager to jettison the old English common law rule barring many criminals from aid of counsel. Even before the ratification of the 6th Amendment, most colonies had notably liberal rules guaranteeing defendants the right to an attorney.

Plenty of other celebrated figures from American history voluntarily defended clients who were just as despised at the time as Rahami is today. Abraham Lincoln, for instance, represented multiple accused murderers of great notoriety; his last murder case occurred just a year before he was elected president. (His client was acquitted.) Allowing defendants—including universally maligned suspects of violent crimes—to mount a strong defense through capable counsel is a foundational aspect of American liberty. You might even say it’s a big part of what made America great in the first place."

So how does this Compare to the Judicial System in your Country, Turkey?

 

[realibrad]

Immigrants in general are selected for enough motivation to leave everything behind for a chance elsewhere.

The vast majority of times I have seen that is not the case. They pick immigrants because they represent a better value to the company.

Dummies w/o much perspective like to extrapolate from cherry-picked examples, and the racist ones use that as justification for their beliefs.

Its always funny when you do this, and I think you do not even realize what you are doing.

The implication of your statement is that only racists use cherry picked examples from dummies who have little perspective. Not only racists will do that. Sometimes people will use a study to back up the evils of say American invasion into Iraq. That person might use a number that has over and over been shown to be too high. They likely use that number because it fits their narrative even when presented with evidence that shows they are wrong. You can test to see if they are doing this, because that same type of person will never address the data, and only attack the person who presented the data.

See what I mean?