Donald Trump - not a fan of the 6th Amendment

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glenn1

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Terrorism is in particular a big deal because white people are being killed. It's like the pretty white girl missing national headline news, or in this case they're coming for our white womens.

Yes, terrorism is a big deal when that's the express subject of the thread. If you want to talk about other kinds of violence (like BLM stuff perhaps) and/or want to examine it in terms of how it involves Muslims that's a different thread. Whatever your angle is that's probably a different good thread for you to start.
 

glenn1

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You're about as narrow minded as chucky to be honest.

Just trying to elaborate more still will not change that fact.

Oh yes, because folks don't care about terrorism when a white non-Muslim does it. If that's what you want to say then just say it directly instead of implying it. You'd be wrong but at least you'd make what you think is a point.
 

chucky2

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You're about as narrow minded as chucky to be honest.

Just trying to elaborate more still will not change that fact.

LOL, WTF man? I want them to get a Mil trial and then be dealt with based on their level of crime and determinable guilt. Alt (who get even by POTUS Bummer) wants to just kill them.

I can't believe you'd think I was narrow minded LOL
 

agent00f

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Holy shit, does Bummer have an account here?! I never would have guessed him tbh...

You sound senile.

Yes, terrorism is a big deal when that's the express subject of the thread. If you want to talk about other kinds of violence (like BLM stuff perhaps) and/or want to examine it in terms of how it involves Muslims that's a different thread. Whatever your angle is that's probably a different good thread for you to start.

I'm explaining why terrorism is a big deal, and it's not because of this thread.
 

MongGrel

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Yes, terrorism is a big deal when that's the express subject of the thread. If you want to talk about other kinds of violence (like BLM stuff perhaps) and/or want to examine it in terms of how it involves Muslims that's a different thread. Whatever your angle is that's probably a different good thread for you to start.

You seem to have missed the point.

Again.
 

glenn1

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You seem to have missed the point.

Again.

You seem to have missed my request to simply say what you're implying, namely you think that people generally and Republicans specifically care less about terror when it's either perpetrated by whites and non-Muslims or directed against blacks and other minorities.
 

agent00f

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Roger that. Roger that. Roger that.

Think of the children Alt, think of the children...

There's no shame in taking advantage of free government healthcare.

You seem to have missed my request to simply say what you're implying, namely you think that people generally and Republicans specifically care less about terror when it's either perpetrated by whites and non-Muslims or directed against blacks and other minorities.

It's hardly a shock that white nationalists care about white people, particularly when it's darkies on the other side.
 

glenn1

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It's hardly a shock that white nationalists care about white people, particularly when it's darkies on the other side.

Okay, now that you've gotten your mandatory "Republicans are Nazis" comment out of the way, how about addressing the points in the OP. Which part of what Trump called for do you disagree with, the "we must have speedy but fair trials" part or the "we must deliver a just and very harsh punishment to these people" (presuming they're found guilty after that speedy but fair trial)? I for one think that faster trials are benefit to society in all cases and not just for accused terrorists, do you disagree? And likewise I think being found guilty of terrorism should carry harsh punishment, is that something you disagree with?
 

Ackmed

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He clearly expresses displeasure with due process altogether in one of the article's links, and expresses displeasure with the suspects receiving a decent attorney. So what if some time passes while they are in custody and they get sentenced - this country has been pretty strict on criminals - including non-violent ones. Ergo he is not thrilled with the 6th amendment. Or due process for American citizens. Two things that make this country great he isn't happy with. Trump 2016!

Don't get offended because I called you out on your false and inflammatory title of the thread. The quotes you used do not prove he's not in favor of the 6th. What he said was accurate. He said he will get the right to counsel, etc.

He's very likely to be correct too. When and if sentencing comes down that he is guilty or innocent, it's likely to be less if it takes a long time. Speaking of, speedy trial is another right. Sadly, there are likely to be more terrorist acts committed here and abroad which attention will move on to. If this drags out, he'd likely get less time because people will have moved on. But maybe not, who knows.

As I said, Trump makes dumb statements all the time. Wait a day or so and he'll do it again. Trying to drudge up something out of this with a very bias article, slanting everything to your agenda just makes you look foolish.
 

ivwshane

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It's unfortunate to be an Alt, but here you are! :D Senile...not a bit. Racist...I'z just a products of mah nvirunments... :D

Its funny because you are the only one here who has self admitted to using an alt account.

I was wondering as the election progresses just how batty the partisans would get, and we can see Jhhnnn getting more and more wound up. Picked up an alt troll account to partisan hack with him. I'm just waiting until Socialist234 and Macro come back, then it'll be like the BDS years again. Only if Trump wins and continues Bummers policies though... :D
 

MrSquished

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Don't get offended because I called you out on your false and inflammatory title of the thread. The quotes you used do not prove he's not in favor of the 6th. What he said was accurate. He said he will get the right to counsel, etc.

He's very likely to be correct too. When and if sentencing comes down that he is guilty or innocent, it's likely to be less if it takes a long time. Speaking of, speedy trial is another right. Sadly, there are likely to be more terrorist acts committed here and abroad which attention will move on to. If this drags out, he'd likely get less time because people will have moved on. But maybe not, who knows.

As I said, Trump makes dumb statements all the time. Wait a day or so and he'll do it again. Trying to drudge up something out of this with a very bias article, slanting everything to your agenda just makes you look foolish.


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Donald Trump does not believe U.S. citizens accused of terrorism should be tried in the regular judicial system and would prefer to see them adjudicated by military tribunals.

He told the Miami Herald on Thursday that he would like to send more terrorists to a “very safe place” like Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and would stop releasing “bad ones” who are being held in that facility.

Asked by reporter Patricia Mazzei whether he would “try to get the military commissions — the trial court there — to try U.S. citizens,” Trump indicated that he would.

“Well, I know that they want to try them in our regular court systems, and I don’t like that at all. I don’t like that at all,” he explained. “I would say they could be tried there, that would be fine.”

The Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees all accused U.S. citizens the right to a “speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed.”"
 

ivwshane

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Donald Trump does not believe U.S. citizens accused of terrorism should be tried in the regular judicial system and would prefer to see them adjudicated by military tribunals.

He told the Miami Herald on Thursday that he would like to send more terrorists to a “very safe place” like Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and would stop releasing “bad ones” who are being held in that facility.

Asked by reporter Patricia Mazzei whether he would “try to get the military commissions — the trial court there — to try U.S. citizens,” Trump indicated that he would.

“Well, I know that they want to try them in our regular court systems, and I don’t like that at all. I don’t like that at all,” he explained. “I would say they could be tried there, that would be fine.”

The Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees all accused U.S. citizens the right to a “speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed.”"


The irony is that those who have been tried in a military court have a higher probability of getting off versus those tried in regular courts.
Again, trump exposes his grows ignorance only to be out done by his even more ignorant cult following.
 

glenn1

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Donald Trump does not believe U.S. citizens accused of terrorism should be tried in the regular judicial system and would prefer to see them adjudicated by military tribunals.

He told the Miami Herald on Thursday that he would like to send more terrorists to a “very safe place” like Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and would stop releasing “bad ones” who are being held in that facility.

Asked by reporter Patricia Mazzei whether he would “try to get the military commissions — the trial court there — to try U.S. citizens,” Trump indicated that he would.

“Well, I know that they want to try them in our regular court systems, and I don’t like that at all. I don’t like that at all,” he explained. “I would say they could be tried there, that would be fine.”

The Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees all accused U.S. citizens the right to a “speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed.”"

You left out the second part of that last clause however; ".... by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed." That's a pretty big loophole in your premise although I hardly think that's what Trump had in mind (such as his mind is).
 

MrSquished

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You left out the second part of that last clause however; ".... by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed." That's a pretty big loophole in your premise although I hardly think that's what Trump had in mind (such as his mind is).

I'm pretty sure we were focusing on domestic terrorists but duly noted
 

agent00f

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It's unfortunate to be an Alt, but here you are! :D Senile...not a bit. Racist...I'z just a products of mah nvirunments... :D

You're literally confusing one person for another and mostly just repeating yourself. Most people, esp not particularly bright ones, are not self-aware of early onset.
 

agent00f

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Okay, now that you've gotten your mandatory "Republicans are Nazis" comment out of the way, how about addressing the points in the OP. Which part of what Trump called for do you disagree with, the "we must have speedy but fair trials" part or the "we must deliver a just and very harsh punishment to these people" (presuming they're found guilty after that speedy but fair trial)? I for one think that faster trials are benefit to society in all cases and not just for accused terrorists, do you disagree? And likewise I think being found guilty of terrorism should carry harsh punishment, is that something you disagree with?

I'm providing necessary context to understand how the subject is perceive among the masses, particularly the lowest common denominator. These aren't people who know anything about law or anything about anything, really; breitbart.com is their real smart authoritative source for goodness sake, and providing this context frames the situation to be readily understood.

To demonstrate, in that context trump is just appealing to the dummies' demand for blood. But many don't want to come off as complete gestapo, so he stuck "trials" in there somewhere. There's not much else to it given the intended audience, it's the same garbage as the "they're sending their rapists/etc" speech which was similarly tempered by "I assume some are good people".
 

glenn1

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I'm providing necessary context to understand how the subject is perceive among the masses, particularly the lowest common denominator. These aren't people who know anything about law or anything about anything, really; breitbart.com is their real smart authoritative source for goodness sake, and providing this context frames the situation to be readily understood.

To demonstrate, in that context trump is just appealing to the dummies' demand for blood. But many don't want to come off as complete gestapo, so he stuck "trials" in there somewhere. There's not much else to it given the intended audience, it's the same garbage as the "they're sending their rapists/etc" speech which was similarly tempered by "I assume some are good people".

How about you just answer my question, you don't need 'context' to say yes/no.

1. Do you disagree with Trump's call for "speedy but fair trials"? (Y/N)
2. Do you disagree with Trump's call for "harsh punishment" for convicted terrorists? (Y/N)