Dominion Voting sues Fox, OAN and Newsmax for $1.6B each over 2020 election claims.

[you2]

High profile cases with a major public interest should never be sealed.

Has anyone claimed the case was sealed? I don't think so - it was the agreement between parties that was settled out of court.

 

[HomerJS]

Example we don’t for how much. That would give people a clue as to the veracity of the claim.

Hopefully reporters can find the grand jurors. They could shed some light on the strength of the case

 

[akugami]

I didn't read the ruling but i think i understand the high level description; newsmax objective was not to defame smartmatic but to keep viewership; therefore the bullshit they said was without malice towards the vendor - it could have been any vendor - just as easily vendor a as vendor b and they would have said the same thing if it improved viewership and therefore profits. Does this mean they should be excluded from punitive damages; i don't know ask a lawyer.

Sure, but let's say I hit a golf ball into the yard of the house next to yours. That doesn't give me the right to drive my car through your fence, just to get to your neighbor's yard, because it's the fastest way to get into the yard, so I can get my golf ball. I knowingly caused damage to your property, to go retrieve a ball. No matter how you put it, I knowingly caused damage to your property, for my own benefit.

And to me, Newsmax knowingly spread lies, to the detriment of an innocent victim in Smartmatic and Dominion.

 

[you2]

Sure, but let's say I hit a golf ball into the yard of the house next to yours. That doesn't give me the right to drive my car through your fence, just to get to your neighbor's yard, because it's the fastest way to get into the yard, so I can get my golf ball. I knowingly caused damage to your property, to go retrieve a ball. No matter how you put it, I knowingly caused damage to your property, for my own benefit.

And to me, Newsmax knowingly spread lies, to the detriment of an innocent victim in Smartmatic and Dominion.

Hey you are arguing with the wrong person; i merely paraphrase my understanding of the judge's ruling. If you have a problem with it take your argument to the judge who made the ruling.

 

[akugami]

@you2 No, I get you. I'm just flabbergasted at the twisted thought process, and kind of voicing why I disagree with it. Not anything against you by any means.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Has anyone claimed the case was sealed? I don't think so - it was the agreement between parties that was settled out of court.

Why must you play with words?

Settlements or verdicts of any kind in high profile cases where there is a major public interest must not be secret, by any means or twists of legal methods or tactics whether in court or out of court before, during or after court proceedings begin.

Once filed in court, a settlement or agreement of any kind must be public.

 

[you2]

Why must you play with words?

Settlements or verdicts of any kind in high profile cases where there is a major public interest must not be secret, by any means or twists of legal methods or tactics whether in court or out of court before, during or after court proceedings begin.

Once filed in court, a settlement or agreement of any kind must be public.

Legally you are confused; settlements are made OUT of court; they then contact the court to drop the case so from a legal perspective the case was simply dropped not 'settled'. Your statement implies any agreement you make with anyone for any reason has to be in the public domain.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Legally you are confused; settlements are made OUT of court; they then contact the court to drop the case so from a legal perspective the case was simply dropped not 'settled'. Your statement implies any agreement you make with anyone for any reason has to be in the public domain.

After a case of substantial public interest has been filed in court, yes.

 

[you2]

After a case of substantial public interest has been filed in court, yes.

You can't cherry pick which agreements are to be made public. Your argument implies for example that any high profile divorce case that settles out of court should be made public for example. On the bright side this might interest you:
"The statement said Smartmatic is now shifting gears to focus on its related suits against Fox News and Fox Corp." so there is still an opportunity for juicy information.

 

[akugami]

Smartmatic still has a suit against Fox, so that can't be made entirely private, since at the very least, if Fox pays any amount of money it's going to be made public during financial disclosures.

Smartmatic has now settled with OANN and Newsmax, so most likely the Fox case will go to settlement.

Dominion also has a suit against Newsmax, and that one may just get settled out of court as well. It's scheduled to go to trial in April 2025.


Just a quick recap of all the major lawsuits for voting machine lawsuits from Smartmatic and Dominion.

Smartmatic vs OANN - pretrial settlement
Smartmatic vs Newsmax - pretrial settlement
Smartmatic vs Fox - pending
Smartmatic vs Giuliani - pending
Smartmatic vs Powell - pending
Smartmatic vs Lindell - pending


Dominion vs Fox - pretrial settlement
Dominion vs OANN - pending
Dominion vs Newsmax - pending
Dominion vs Giuliani - pending
Dominion vs Powell - pending
Dominion vs Lindell - pending
Dominion vs Patrick Byrne - pending

 

[outriding]

Smartmatic still has a suit against Fox, so that can't be made entirely private, since at the very least, if Fox pays any amount of money it's going to be made public during financial disclosures.

Smartmatic has now settled with OANN and Newsmax, so most likely the Fox case will go to settlement.

Dominion also has a suit against Newsmax, and that one may just get settled out of court as well. It's scheduled to go to trial in April 2025.


Just a quick recap of all the major lawsuits for voting machine lawsuits from Smartmatic and Dominion.

Smartmatic vs OANN - pretrial settlement
Smartmatic vs Newsmax - pretrial settlement
Smartmatic vs Fox - pending
Smartmatic vs Giuliani - pending
Smartmatic vs Powell - pending
Smartmatic vs Lindell - pending


Dominion vs Fox - pretrial settlement
Dominion vs OANN - pending
Dominion vs Newsmax - pending
Dominion vs Giuliani - pending
Dominion vs Powell - pending
Dominion vs Lindell - pending
Dominion vs Patrick Byrne - pending

Excellent post.

Some details on each one of those lawsuits can be found here

From Mike Lindell to OAN, here's everyone Dominion and Smartmatic are suing over election conspiracy theories so far

Dominion and Smartmatic have filed defamation lawsuits against people who spread baseless claims that their voting machines "stole" votes for Biden.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[akugami]

I was just checking up on all the various voter machine lawsuits and it was dizzying, so I had notepad out, and was taking quick notes.

I had trouble remembering or following all of them, and need notes to figure out where all of them stood. I figure others would appreciate a single post showing where all of them stood. Considering I already spent the time on it, it was not a big deal posting the quickie recap.

It's amazing how many people followed the orange orangutan in spreading baseless lies about voter fraud. I just cannot fathom how these supposedly intelligent people (not counting Lindell here) would further these lies to the detriment of their own personal reputations and financial stability. One would think self preservation alone should make someone think twice. Or did they really think Trump would win court cases based on lies, and they would reap more benefits?

 

[outriding]

Act now and you can own a piece the the #4 rated news channel…

Investor Relations | Newsmax Media, Inc.

invest.newsmax.com

If I qualified as a investor I would say I am interested and then ask for their current financials with the lawsuit amount… you know you have to have to fully understand the risks involved

 

[akugami]

Act now and you can own a piece the the #4 rated news channel…

Investor Relations | Newsmax Media, Inc.

invest.newsmax.com

If I qualified as a investor I would say I am interested and then ask for their current financials with the lawsuit amount… you know you have to have to fully understand the risks involved

Don't forget to ask how much they expect to pay out to Dominion as well. You know, so you can do your homework before investing.

 

[Moonbeam]

I was just checking up on all the various voter machine lawsuits and it was dizzying, so I had notepad out, and was taking quick notes.

I had trouble remembering or following all of them, and need notes to figure out where all of them stood. I figure others would appreciate a single post showing where all of them stood. Considering I already spent the time on it, it was not a big deal posting the quickie recap.

It's amazing how many people followed the orange orangutan in spreading baseless lies about voter fraud. I just cannot fathom how these supposedly intelligent people (not counting Lindell here) would further these lies to the detriment of their own personal reputations and financial stability. One would think self preservation alone should make someone think twice. Or did they really think Trump would win court cases based on lies, and they would reap more benefits?

In for a penny, in for a pound. Every con artist knows that if the illusion is broken he or she is dead meat.

"Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face
They livin' it up at the Hotel California
What a nice surprise (What a nice surprise)
Bring your alibis"

 

[Moonbeam]

In for a penny, in for a pound. Every con artist knows that if the illusion is broken he or she is dead meat.

"Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face
They livin' it up at the Hotel California
What a nice surprise (What a nice surprise)
Bring your alibis"

 

[you2]

I rather not invest in an unethical piece of trash even if it makes money

 

[outriding]

Update the NYC court unanimously agree smartmatic vs fox is going to trial.

Note this just a couple days old

https://www.reuters.com/legal/fox-must-face-smartmatic-27-billion-defamation-lawsuit-ny-appeals-court-rules-2025-01-09/

 

[akugami]

Update the NYC court unanimously agree smartmatic vs fox is going to trial.

Note this just a couple days old

https://www.reuters.com/legal/fox-must-face-smartmatic-27-billion-defamation-lawsuit-ny-appeals-court-rules-2025-01-09/

The cynic in me says this is just another skirmish, which Smartmatic won. Fox may decide to settle, much like in the Dominion case. And considering Smartmatic has already settled with OANN and Newsmax, it's just a matter of how many truck loads of dead presidents that Fox is willing to give up.

 

[outriding]

The cynic in me says this is just another skirmish, which Smartmatic won. Fox may decide to settle, much like in the Dominion case. And considering Smartmatic has already settled with OANN and Newsmax, it's just a matter of how many truck loads of dead presidents that Fox is willing to give up.

So. Dominion settled for about less than half of the amount

Smartmatic is requesting 2.7 billion. So maybe 1.3billion?

But that’s gotta hurt

 

[akugami]

Any amount Fox pays is because they stand to potentially lose way more in an actual court judgment.

The problem for us is, when Fox and others like OAN or Newsmax pays the settlement fee, they avoid any legal repercussions and usually part of the settlement is to admit no wrongdoing. It allows them to continue to be lying sacks of shit with effectively no major repercussions, relatively speaking of course.

In the case of OAN and Newsmax, an actual judgment would delay their potential IPO's, which would make their owners a gazillion dollars. Not to mention real judgments would have the potential to derail their entire so called "news" service.

 

[outriding]

Any amount Fox pays is because they stand to potentially lose way more in an actual court judgment.

The problem for us is, when Fox and others like OAN or Newsmax pays the settlement fee, they avoid any legal repercussions and usually part of the settlement is to admit no wrongdoing. It allows them to continue to be lying sacks of shit with effectively no major repercussions, relatively speaking of course.

In the case of OAN and Newsmax, an actual judgment would delay their potential IPO's, which would make their owners a gazillion dollars. Not to mention real judgments would have the potential to derail their entire so called "news" service.

I believe this is a civil matter so no criminal charges

But like the trump family being banned from running a charity. Maybe they should be banned from any broadcasting

But this might be harder because previously fox lawyers made the statement they are an entertainment company

 

[HomerJS]

I wish settlements included an admission of lying to the audience.

 

[you2]

I wish settlements included an admission of lying to the audience.

They can but usually the company prefers to settle to avoid such ....

 

[akugami]

I believe this is a civil matter so no criminal charges

But like the trump family being banned from running a charity. Maybe they should be banned from any broadcasting

But this might be harder because previously fox lawyers made the statement they are an entertainment company

Therein lies the whole point of an actual court judgment and finding that the likes of Fox, OAN, and Newsmax lied. With an official judgment, there can be further actions to sanction or even revoke their news accreditation.