Dole's plea to conservatives

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lothar

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Newt would be a disaster for the party. While I think the presidential debates would be interesting as he would take Obama to task without a care in the world. His ideology is more big govt and he is ruthless as well. I think it does say something that former collegues are not lining up to support him.
What nonsense.
Newt has lost almost every debate he's participated in with Romney.

The only thing Newt would do is attack the moderators.
 

fskimospy

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some 54 charges of ethics violations.

something like that.

Oh, and his leadership was basically this: "If you are in the republican caucus, then you align with my vision of conservatism. If you do not, then I will replace you."

As deeply as this man was loathed by both sides, he was actually less polarizing than the assclowns in congress today--he actually worked with Clinton to balance the budget and overhaul medicare.

imagine that.

You realize that he is considerably responsible for the polarizing rhetoric used in Congress today, right?
 

zinfamous

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You realize that he is considerably responsible for the polarizing rhetoric used in Congress today, right?

I think he certainly took the party in that direction--essentially building the electable base into a polarized army of automatons. Though, I don't think he's had much direct influence, as he has been more or less outcast over the last decade and more. He has been something of a cypher in this time, though his influence certainly remains.

Who is Dole? Was he ever elected as President?

Some dude that really likes to hold pens.
 

UberNeuman

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Some dude that really likes to hold pens.

Bob Dole is best remembered for suing Pfizer over side effects from Viagra use.

"Bob Dole used Viagra and it didn't work for Bob Dole - it made Bob Dole's arm hard not Bob Dole's little Bob Dole.... Bob Dole."
 

zinfamous

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Bob Dole is best remembered for suing Pfizer over side effects from Viagra use.

"Bob Dole used Viagra and it didn't work for Bob Dole - it made Bob Dole's arm hard not Bob Dole's little Bob Dole.... Bob Dole."

lol. Norm McDonald, right?
 
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some 54 charges of ethics violations.

something like that.

What were the worst ethics charges? If it were merely that he taught a college class and misclassified it as tax-exempt, it's doubtful that fellow Republicans would care that much. He had to have really done something, perhaps even behind the scenes, to piss them off.

Oh, and his leadership was basically this: "If you are in the republican caucus, then you align with my vision of conservatism. If you do not, then I will replace you."

That sounds more like it. There was probably much more to it, too.
 

zinfamous

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What were the worst ethics charges? If it were merely that he taught a college class and misclassified it as tax-exempt, it's doubtful that fellow Republicans would care that much. He had to have really done something, perhaps even behind the scenes, to piss them off.



That sounds more like it. There was probably much more to it, too.

He was a bit of a tyrant to his party, plus his blatant moral hypocrisies--probably something that the true believers in the Republican party could never be comfortable with.

the violations were long before his recent consulting shenanigans. I'll try to find some more details; but don't discount "misclassifying courses as tax-exempt" as something benign when it comes to ethics. It all depends on your position at the time, and ethical conflicts related with ones various responsibilities. Even a handful of supposedly "mild" violations bespeaks volumes towards the character of someone that chooses to serve the public.


Here's an archived summary:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/ethics.htm

seems that his 84 violations were eventually dropped for "lack of evidence." haha

In this article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/012297.htm

It mentions that such a charge and reprimand had never been levied against a Speaker in the 208 year history of Congress. Whether or not they were eventually dropped, such charges do not come lightly, nor without reason.

It is not shocking that anyone who has ever worked with this guy refuses to support him, and fundamentally believes that he would be a disaster for this country.
 
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