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DOJ busts dozens in massive college admission cheating scheme

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MomentsofSanity said:
Have you even read the details of the case?

They didn’t donate to the schools. They knowingly paid for people to take the SATs and establish fake athletic histories for their kids and funneled that money through what they knew were fake charities set up specifically to hide the payments. Then they deducted those payments as charitable donations.

You don’t think the kids knew they didn’t take the tests? That they didn’t have the athletic backgrounds when they posed for the pictures to create the profiles?
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I think it's semantics. If they donated 500K to these schools in exchange for admissions we wouldn't be talking about this. They just didn't want to pay the crazy amounts you have to donate to get guaranteed admission because that was seen by these parents as a worse scam.
 
Sunburn74 said:
I think it's semantics. If they donated 500K to these schools in exchange for admissions we wouldn't be talking about this. They just didn't want to pay the crazy amounts you have to donate to get guaranteed admission because that was seen by these parents as a worse scam.
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So in your world, two wrongs are a right? How conservative of you.
 
Sunburn74 said:
Honestly, I personally don't even think these are crimes at all, at least crimes the parents should go to jail for.

The guys running the scheme, sure prosecute them but I don't really see why they are going after the parents other than for the publicity.
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Perp: We'll need to execute a scam to get your kid into UCLA.

Parents: How much money do you need?
 
DrDoug said:
So in your world, two wrongs are a right? How conservative of you.
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Neither is right but to me it's like prosecuting people because they solicited prostitution but not for mail order brides. Sure you can do it but it's stupid.

Let stupid private schools engage in pay to play admissions and admit whoever they want. That is capitalism at it's most naked.
 
How much is it going to cost their kids to get into the next college?

If I was currently attending one of them would I want it on my resume? Well, not me my parents could not pay the bribes.
But, if my parents were wealthy would people wonder if that is how I got in? If parents bribed to get them in would they bribe to see them graduate? Have any before this?

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Sunburn74 said:
Neither is right but to me it's like prosecuting people because they solicited prostitution but not for mail order brides. Sure you can do it but it's stupid.

Let stupid private schools engage in pay to play admissions and admit whoever they want. That is capitalism at it's most naked.
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As has already been mentioned in this thread, when you donate to a school, the donation benefits the school and all the students in it. When you bribe a school official, the money goes into the official's pocket. Both are wrong, but there is a definitely a question of degree here.
 
This pay to play scandal no doubt has been going on for a long long LONG time.
How do we know?
Well just look at the results i.e. the doctors of today.
Life expectancy in America is the lowest of any civilized nation.
Go to any three different doctors for a single medical issue and you get three different diagnosis.
And look at the drugs. When mommy and daddy bribed cash to get wannabe doctor Jimmy into college, was it any wonder as Doctor Jimmy that Doctor Jimmy would then hand out pills like candy M&M's?
And again, all for the money. Huge kickbacks from the drug companies.
Americans may not see the connection, but the drug companies do.
They know where to peddle their goods, and the lure kickbacks provide to the IGNORANT college educated medical professional. Professional in scamming, drinking, and killing patients.
Mommy and daddy knew all too well that money talks. And so does college educated Doctor Jimmy who couldn't get into dog catching school let along college before mommy and daddy forked out the big bucks.
Is it any wonder....?

This is just the tip of the ice berg.
Besides the medical field look at the legal profession.
Look at Brett Kavanaugh.
NOW.... it all makes sense.
How and why a flawed person such as Brett Kavanaugh could make his way up the ladder onto the highest court of the land.
Could Brett's mommy and daddy have bribed someone to get son Brett into college? Allowing Brett to spend those college years drinking and raping women? Then graduate with a diploma? Did young Brett earn that diploma, or bribe for it?
Yes, NOW.... it all makes sense.

Oh yeah... college pay to play has been around on for a long long LONG time.
And THAT explains a lot of what we experience today with seeking medical help or legal help.
Tip of the ice berg.
Tip of the ice berg.
 
HomerJS said:
She has committed a felony. I bet she does little or no jail time.

Paul Manafort gets practical slap on the wrist for massive crimes

Meanwhile...

Look at the woman who got 5 years for just voting when she thought it was ok because she served her time.

Let's see how many of you people calling for the head of Jussie Smollet (he deserves it) call for her head.

Equal justice under the law my ass. Rich , white and hot will be a get out of jail free card.

This kind of college affirmative action for rich white people has been going on for years yet god forbid a person of color get a little extra help and conservatives want to get out the pitchforks

I need to see what's going on with the affluenza kid?
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I would just add it's more about being rich than white. Yes, still better to be white, but there are plenty of white people in prison, but for poor people crimes.

Put it this way, who's going to prison sooner and for longer?

A POC banker who stole millions through fraudulent financial crimes?

An unemployed white guy that steals a truck load of copper from a job site?

The fact that only one person went to prison for the great recession tells you the answer.
 
woolfe9998 said:
As has already been mentioned in this thread, when you donate to a school, the donation benefits the school and all the students in it. When you bribe a school official, the money goes into the official's pocket. Both are wrong, but there is a definitely a question of degree here.
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Both are denying someone who worked hard and maybe sacrificed greatly to achieve a goal that could possibly have a great impact in the world. I think both should be denied equally. If the rich are only doing it to get their kid in college and to pad their resume, they don't really care about who else may benefit. Just my opinion.
 
soundforbjt said:
Both are denying someone who worked hard and maybe sacrificed greatly to achieve a goal that could possibly have a great impact in the world. I think both should be denied equally. If the rich are only doing it to get their kid in college and to pad their resume, they don't really care about who else may benefit. Just my opinion.
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There's no practical solution to donations to private universities designed to gain admission of donors' kids. It won't gain admission for kids who are truly unqualified. It's not done on a quid pro quo basis, either. The donors are taking a chance, even if it's a good one.

There's a certain moral ambiguity in it all. There was a time when private universities were of the Rich, for the Rich & by the Rich. They still are to a great extent. It's only a recent historical development that objective admission requirements, scholarships & loans would admit the not Rich. It's also extremely difficult for school administrators to turn away the permanent good of large donations in general. If the kids who receive preference are truly unqualified they'll wash out, anyway.

The whole thing isn't so much about the actual quality of education but rather about social dominance orientation in our society.
 
whm1974 said:
I didn't know some of the top universities don't even give consideration to legacy at all and haven't for years.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/16/top...-consider-legacy-when-admitting-students.html
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6 out of 10 stopped considering with 2 of them being overseas
4 still consider it
Overall 4 of the top 8 US schools consider legacy admissions
And that's just the top 8 who are the most flush with cash

Luna1968 said:
well this explains how David Hogg got into harvard with a 1270 SAT.
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Admissions looks at a lot of different things. No just SAT performance but also extra-curriculars. If you win a nobel peace prize at 16 but have average SAT scores, you're still getting in.
 
Sunburn74 said:
6 out of 10 stopped considering with 2 of them being overseas
4 still consider it
Overall 4 of the top 8 US schools consider legacy admissions
And that's just the top 8 who are the most flush with cash


Admissions looks at a lot of different things. No just SAT performance but also extra-curriculars. If you win a nobel peace prize at 16 but have average SAT scores, you're still getting in.
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Just how much weight is given to extra-curricular activities?
 
whm1974 said:
I didn't know some of the top universities don't even give consideration to legacy at all and haven't for years.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/16/top...-consider-legacy-when-admitting-students.html
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the legacy thing is mostly a US thing, most schools overseas don't do it.

I'm liking Julia Roberts even more, I know it's Huff Post but it is relevant

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/julia-roberts-college-admissions-scandal_n_5c90a635e4b04ed2c1adf677

“That to me is so sad because I feel, from an outsider, that it says a little bit, ‘I don’t have enough faith in you,’” said Roberts, who was promoting the movie “Ben Is Back,” on ITV show “Lorraine” on Monday.
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