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Does this seem like a hostile work environment?
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kranky
Elite Member
I have experience working for a nutcase like this guy. I can tell you a few things.
1. He will never change. He knows he's the boss, and will do as he pleases.
2. He doesn't care if people don't like his behavior. It's part of his enjoyment of being the boss.
3. He will never take responsibility for anything. It will always, always, always be someone else's fault. This is because he is completely insecure and cannot handle appearing to be even the tiny bit flawed.
4. There is no point in complaining because of 1, 2 and 3 above.
Now with that in mind, you can choose what to do.
1. He will never change. He knows he's the boss, and will do as he pleases.
2. He doesn't care if people don't like his behavior. It's part of his enjoyment of being the boss.
3. He will never take responsibility for anything. It will always, always, always be someone else's fault. This is because he is completely insecure and cannot handle appearing to be even the tiny bit flawed.
4. There is no point in complaining because of 1, 2 and 3 above.
Now with that in mind, you can choose what to do.
SacrosanctFiend
Diamond Member
Does the situation suck? Yes. Is it a hostile work environment? No.
soulcougher73
Lifer
Id quit without a 2 week notice if that were me.
ArizonaSteve
Senior member
Why is this not a hostile work environment? It seems to me like the boss is trying to make her quit so he doesn't have to pay unemployment.
Document and record everything.
SacrosanctFiend
Diamond Member
How does it seem like that to you? From what was posted, there is a boss who has anger outbursts but are not sexually offensive, nor directed at a protected class. Granted, the post doesn't really cover everything, but from what was presented, it does not rise to the level of hostile work environment.
Gooberlx2
Lifer
While looking for another job, I would:
a) Make CYA notes/transcripts describing every such hostile condition.
b) Stand up for myself for the remainder of my time there.
c) File for unemployment if/when I get fired, and use my notes from 'a' to make my case when the employer disputes. (though if they're so disorganized, they might forget to dispute at all).
imported_Imp
Diamond Member
Quit...
Sounds somewhat like one of the VPs at my last job. He had a temper, and used the word "fuck" more than anyone in the office. And this was a "man" office, in that everyone used swearing quite liberally (I felt right at home). However, he was pretty cool when he wasn't pissed, but his tantrums were a bit disturbing.
Sounds somewhat like one of the VPs at my last job. He had a temper, and used the word "fuck" more than anyone in the office. And this was a "man" office, in that everyone used swearing quite liberally (I felt right at home). However, he was pretty cool when he wasn't pissed, but his tantrums were a bit disturbing.
dainthomas
Lifer
threeringbinder
Member
True.
Also, boss's are only powerful at work...Let the boss know that! outside of work...in the parking lot, you know where his family lives...etc...
SmoochyTX
Lifer
I'll also go with the find another job and quit answer. They sound like assholes.
Give two weeks notice for your new job but don't give two weeks for your current job. Because you're obviously so incompetent, so many things can go wrong in those last two weeks. Don't fuck up so much that you get fired but enough so that you're a big pain in the ass.
Oops! I think something's wrong with the phone system because the calls keep being dropped (*click*). We're going to have to get somebody out here to fix it. Oh no! Where do all of these gnats and fruit flies keep coming from? I doubt they'll catch the rotting fruit hidden around the office in inconspicuous places. Does anybody else keeping hearing crickets all day? I wonder how they got in the office (*pet store*)! I baked some cupcakes for everybody! Have a couple (that are mega-dosed with salt - start the salt dosage low and then build up over the weeks until they're absolutely horrible)! I wonder why your monitor isn't working. Oh wow, how did the cord become unplugged from the computer?
Well, you get my drift. 😉
Give two weeks notice for your new job but don't give two weeks for your current job. Because you're obviously so incompetent, so many things can go wrong in those last two weeks. Don't fuck up so much that you get fired but enough so that you're a big pain in the ass.
Oops! I think something's wrong with the phone system because the calls keep being dropped (*click*). We're going to have to get somebody out here to fix it. Oh no! Where do all of these gnats and fruit flies keep coming from? I doubt they'll catch the rotting fruit hidden around the office in inconspicuous places. Does anybody else keeping hearing crickets all day? I wonder how they got in the office (*pet store*)! I baked some cupcakes for everybody! Have a couple (that are mega-dosed with salt - start the salt dosage low and then build up over the weeks until they're absolutely horrible)! I wonder why your monitor isn't working. Oh wow, how did the cord become unplugged from the computer?
Well, you get my drift. 😉
zCypher
Diamond Member
I've seen all kinds of bosses, and I've heard of some that are very much like the one you're describing. All I can say is it's not worth wasting your time for that, and that there are always better opportunities that will provide a nicer work environment with more opportunity.
Life is only what you make it, sometimes it feels like everything is going against you - but people often forget the power they have to change things in their lives; get too used to the routine - a lot of it has to do with how you think and you you see things. There is always work, even if the worst economic times (sometimes the best opportunities arise in these times).
It's usually easiest to just quit and get another job. What's easiest is rarely what's best though... I think what's best in this case is to do what some people here have said - document everything, cover your ass - there's no reason to risk anything - and get your next job BEFORE quitting this one. That way, you're putting yourself in a much better situation. Things don't always end up that way though... all I can say is good luck and hope you make some good choices for yourself!
Some funny replies in here. Office Space style ... nice 😀
Life is only what you make it, sometimes it feels like everything is going against you - but people often forget the power they have to change things in their lives; get too used to the routine - a lot of it has to do with how you think and you you see things. There is always work, even if the worst economic times (sometimes the best opportunities arise in these times).
It's usually easiest to just quit and get another job. What's easiest is rarely what's best though... I think what's best in this case is to do what some people here have said - document everything, cover your ass - there's no reason to risk anything - and get your next job BEFORE quitting this one. That way, you're putting yourself in a much better situation. Things don't always end up that way though... all I can say is good luck and hope you make some good choices for yourself!
Some funny replies in here. Office Space style ... nice 😀
MagnusTheBrewer
IN MEMORIAM
It depends on what State the OP is in. You're right if it's a "right to work" State but, if not, verbal abuse does indeed constitute a 'hostile work place.'
SacrosanctFiend
Diamond Member
No, the hostile work environment has to be related to a "protected characteristic" or in retaliation to filing a compliant based upon such a characteristic. Simple verbal abuse does not constitute a hostile work environment.
threeringbinder
Member
Wasn't the VP in the room when she got yelled at? Wouldn't that be a "hostile environment'?
making one feel dumb in front of others...or humiliation?
SacrosanctFiend
Diamond Member
In employment law, if it isn't related to a protected characteristic, or in retaliation to filing a compliant based upon such a characteristic, it is not a hostile work environment.
It isn't illegal to simply make someone feel dumb in front of others. Not in the slightest.
MagnusTheBrewer
IN MEMORIAM
I guess I've dealt with too many unions which isn't the case here. I do think a case could be made regarding "life, liberty and, the pursuit of happiness" though.
SacrosanctFiend
Diamond Member
WTF? No, no it couldn't. That has nothing to do with employment law.
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