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Does putting something in your mouth and setting it on fire strike you as stupid?

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Because inhaling smoke is ALWAYS a good idea.

I mean, our lungs were designed to filter smoke, right? Death due to smoke inhalation is a myth!

That's the one thing I never will get about weed smokers. Sure, it may not be as bad as crack, heroin, meth, etc...but once something goes in your lungs it's not coming out.

It's not like alcohol, which gets filtered out through your liver/breath/piss.
 
lxskllr said:
Hmm... Subtle sarcastic jab, or missed point?...
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Not sure what you are referring to. While it's slightly off topic from what the OP is trying to troll, it's still slightly on topic 😀

I'm talking about the fact that smoke (tar/particulate matter) does not have a way of being filtered out of our bodies. Once it's there in our lungs it's there to stay.

Our bodies have a system in place that filters out and removes alcohol, not so much for physical objects in our lungs 🙁
 
BlitzPuppet said:
Not sure what you are referring to. While it's slightly off topic from what the OP is trying to troll, it's still slightly on topic 😀

I'm talking about the fact that smoke (tar/particulate matter) does not have a way of being filtered out of our bodies. Once it's there in our lungs it's there to stay.

Our bodies have a system in place that filters out and removes alcohol, not so much for physical objects in our lungs 🙁
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that filtering process kills the liver, so not really sure why you think that's fine...


Also, edibles or vaporizer my friend, no need to be smoking.
 
mnewsham said:
that filtering process kills the liver, so not really sure why you think that's fine...


Also, edibles or vaporizer my friend, no need to be smoking.
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That's with alcohol abuse (long term or short term), not for someone having a glass of wine.

Smoking was the topic of this thread, not trying to preach 😉.
 
BlitzPuppet said:
That's with alcohol abuse (long term or short term), not for someone having a glass of wine.
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Just because your liver CAN filter it out doesnt mean you need to subject yourself to it.


Oh wait...that's almost exactly how weed is... :hmm:


If you are smoking your weed, yes there will be some impaired lung function, however only 3-5% and when you stop smoking within a week it's mostly back to normal.

If we could regulate it and educate people on how to use cannabis responsibly we'd have even fewer people smoking 😛

If I had a dispensary near by with edibles I know I'd much rather have those.
 
Fausto said:
You should probably link a study or two since you initiated this back and forth by accusing others of making assertions without proof. 😉
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Between 2001-2005 the CDC reported 80,374 attributable Deaths Due to Excessive Alcohol Use

in this same time period there are no documented cases of death attributed to marijuana use.

There are plenty of other studies out there, but here is a link to the CDC data.
http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/DACH_ARDI/Default/Default.aspx


Here is an article in American Scientist that talks about how alcohol is more toxic than many other recreational substances.

http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/num2/the-toxicity-of-recreational-drugs/1

Alcohol thus ranks at the dangerous end of the toxicity spectrum. So despite the fact that about 75 percent of all adults in the United States enjoy an occasional drink, it must be remembered that alcohol is quite toxic. Indeed, if alcohol were a newly formulated beverage, its high toxicity and addiction potential would surely prevent it from being marketed as a food or drug. This conclusion runs counter to the common view that one's own use of alcohol is harmless. That mistaken impression arises for several reasons.
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shortylickens said:
Thats nice and not the subject.

Dust said it was worse in EVERY WAY.
And its not. Not by a long shot.

Or long shit.
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Well, marijuana use could cause some lung and respiratory issues, but again only if smoking excessive amounts. Alcohol to be fair can damage the body a lot more, just in different ways.
 
mnewsham said:
Well, marijuana use could cause some lung and respiratory issues, but again only if smoking excessive amounts. Alcohol to be fair can damage the body a lot more, just in different ways.
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Are you really comparing apples to apples here? You're making a case for moderate weed usage, but not for alcohol consumption. IIRC, studies have shown moderate intake (with extra benefits should you choose red wine) actually extends life span.
 
Fausto said:
Are you really comparing apples to apples here? You're making a case for moderate weed usage, but not for alcohol consumption. IIRC, studies have shown moderate intake (with extra benefits should you choose red wine) actually extends life span.
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What does excessive marijuana use cause? Slight respiratory impairment and lung issues, nothing major however, the decreased lung function is less than 10% and that's with extreme marijuana smoking, not heavy use, but someone who literally sits there smoking 1/4 oz or more a day, every day. Also, when these extreme users stop, the function comes back very quickly.
If you sit there drinking all day every day, within 3-4 years you'll probably totally fuck your liver.

I am not saying alcohol should be illegal, however it is far more damaging than cannabis but that is illegal, if we can be trusted to drink responsibly, why not smoke responsibly?

I could literally link you to easily 25+ studies showing negligible if any damage caused by long term marijuana use, but it seems you may have already made up your mind 😛
 
mnewsham said:
What does excessive marijuana use cause? Slight respiratory impairment and lung issues, nothing major however, the decreased lung function is less than 10% and that's with extreme marijuana smoking, not heavy use, but someone who literally sits there smoking 1/4 oz or more a day, every day. Also, when these extreme users stop, the function comes back very quickly.
If you sit there drinking all day every day, within 3-4 years you'll probably totally fuck your liver.

I am not saying alcohol should be illegal, however it is far more damaging than cannabis but that is illegal, if we can be trusted to drink responsibly, why not smoke responsibly?

I could literally link you to easily 25+ studies showing negligible if any damage caused by long term marijuana use, but it seems you may have already made up your mind 😛
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I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out that moderation is the key here. In the very broad spectrum of usage, you are correct that alcohol is far more damaging to our society as a whole than weed. Naturally, someone is going to pipe up and say BUT DRUG-RELATED VIOLENCE AND ARRESTS, but of course that wouldn't be happening if you could just head down to your local Beer n' Buds franchise and buy some, right?
 
Fausto said:
I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out that moderation is the key here. In the very broad spectrum of usage, you are correct that alcohol is far more damaging to our society as a whole than weed. Naturally, someone is going to pipe up and say BUT DRUG-RELATED VIOLENCE AND ARRESTS, but of course that wouldn't be happening if you could just head down to your local Beer n' Buds franchise and buy some, right?
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actually there is not really a solid trend with marijuana use and muggings, domestic violence, or ER visits, however alcohol use is quite easily linked to increased violent behaviour and increased risk taking as well as ER visits.

Drug-related violence I think comes more from the fact that you are having large gangs pushing the drugs and when they run into a rival gang, things get heated, with or without the drugs.

Just remember, alcohol prohibition, the Mafia grew in large part from that, is it so odd to think that maybe marijuana prohibition has done the same thing?
 
mnewsham said:
actually there is not really a solid trend with marijuana use and muggings, domestic violence, or ER visits, however alcohol use is quite easily linked to increased violent behaviour and increased risk taking as well as ER visits.

Drug-related violence I think comes more from the fact that you are having large gangs pushing the drugs and when they run into a rival gang, things get heated, with or without the drugs.

Just remember, alcohol prohibition, the Mafia grew in large part from that, is it so odd to think that maybe marijuana prohibition has done the same thing?
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Yes, that was what I was implying with my Beer n' Buds comment. Were it legal, most of the violence and mayhem surrounding the drug trade would be effectively defused. Also, I'm pretty sure nobody every did a few bong rips and beat their spouse unless they caught the spouse finishing the last bag of Doritos.
 
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