I almost always exceed 4GB of memory usage when I'm gaming. I have several things running at the same time though, which is fine. SSD + fast CPU and memory that's relatively cheap means I don't have to concern myself with closing things out before I launch a game.
Deders
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want some calcalus?
fastest ssd = 550 MB/s
DDR3-1600 = 12800 MB/s
not rocket science
It may be faster if you put the swapfile in a ramdrive but even an SSD is significantly faster than a HDD. I've never come across a situation where 550MB or more needs to be written to a swapfile in 1 second.
want some calcalus?
fastest ssd = 550 MB/s
DDR3-1600 = 12800 MB/s
not rocket science
Thank you for answering. No you aren't.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
You might like to read at the bottom of the page. If you had few GBs worth of data to read from page file, then you might be right about the speed importance. In reality it does not matter. Period.
different folks with different strokes.
swap file was design for the event that physical memory is not enough for the given task, that data would be temporary store on slower media (was hd, nowadays ssd) and swap as necessary.
some of us like things fixed. when low on memory. buy more physical memory. problem gone.
some of us like things bandages. when low on memory. let ssd do file swapping. problem semi-masked (during heavy swapping - some stutter).
swap file was design for the event that physical memory is not enough for the given task, that data would be temporary store on slower media (was hd, nowadays ssd) and swap as necessary.
some of us like things fixed. when low on memory. buy more physical memory. problem gone.
some of us like things bandages. when low on memory. let ssd do file swapping. problem semi-masked (during heavy swapping - some stutter).
You are mostly wrong and making ridiculous comparisons on top of that. I will not waste more time arguing about this.
taltamir
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1. you count your open tabs using only 2 digits?
2. Most likely the nature of the open tabs rather than the browser. Not all web pages require equal amount of resources
who?
@taltamir
Not sure about others, but I get completely lost more or less past the point of 10-15 tabs opened. I can't imagine what good does it do to have 50 opened. You even mention two digits, wtf? That can't be anything but one huge useless mess.
Either way, you can probably limit the memory that particular browser can use.
The guy right above my post, not you.
Not sure about others, but I get completely lost more or less past the point of 10-15 tabs opened. I can't imagine what good does it do to have 50 opened. You even mention two digits, wtf? That can't be anything but one huge useless mess.
Either way, you can probably limit the memory that particular browser can use.
The guy right above my post, not you.
_Rick_
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Opera luckily is 64 bit. It also supports tab grouping.
Tabs are the lazy man's todo-notes and bookmarks rolled into one. I think in total, across three devices (desktop, laptop, tablet) I have around 200-250 tabs open.
On my 32bit laptop, I got to the point, where I headbutted the 2GB memory limit, with Opera. Less of a problem with chrome, as it has a single process per tab, but of course that makes the task manager a mess.
Just imagining closing my browsers before gaming makes me cringe, because I'd have to reopen them, which takes ages, as all the websites are re-downloaded over my tiny internet connection.
As for swap: it's really simple. It's there so that when you run out of RAM, you get to recover. As opposed to the OS just killing whichever process asks for memory first. Of course, the moment the OS feels like it needs to use it as RAM, you're out of luck. But as long as the OS can just put stale pages there, it's really only a short delay on radical context changes.
But metering memory consumption is really trivial, so this entire "how much memory do I need" is really easy to solve. Check in task manager, whether you have sufficient memory for the I/O caches, and if you don't buy moar!
hackerballs
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increased my sons PC from 4 gigs to 8 gigs and he had a Hugh performance increase. Very noticeable
I did make sure all my slots were filled on my PC. I don't want dust and dirt to fill the contacts. nothing worse than to be known as
"that's the dirty slots guy"
As yes, as a gamer, I use all my 32 gigs (4 x 8g) and they are very sharp looking in my MB. I know what you are going to say, no way to utilize 32 gigs! But I see them now and again and they look great. Having a good looking gaming machine is desirable.
I did make sure all my slots were filled on my PC. I don't want dust and dirt to fill the contacts. nothing worse than to be known as
"that's the dirty slots guy"
As yes, as a gamer, I use all my 32 gigs (4 x 8g) and they are very sharp looking in my MB. I know what you are going to say, no way to utilize 32 gigs! But I see them now and again and they look great. Having a good looking gaming machine is desirable.
Personally I think it's silly to put 4GB in a "gaming" machine. You can buy $400 bargin bin computers today that come with 6. DDR3 isn't as cheap as it used to be a year ago but it's not bank breaking either.
I'm thinking of the mods/hacks for 32-bit that lets you use more than 4gb of memory.
http://www.unawave.de/windows-7-tipps/32-bit-ram-barrier.html?lang=EN
Yeah I will trust some Russians with their programs without a source code
Noone knows what it does, and I bet you get nice little collection of trojans installed as a bonus.
Noone knows what it does, and I bet you get nice little collection of trojans installed as a bonus.
Other people have made similar hacks. I only put up one link is all.Yeah I will trust some Russians with their programs without a source code
Noone knows what it does, and I bet you get nice little collection of trojans installed as a bonus.
But whether someone can trust Russians or not is not the point of bringing it up anyway.
I don't think Opera 12 can do it in any way, but Opera 16+ can use a "suspend tabs" extension that will stop tabs from being auto-reloaded upon Opera startup. Though, at least the extension I've tried, when the tab goes into suspend, the page's icon on the tab goes out too and turns into a generic icon. Not good when you have lots of tabs open. But I guess one of the "see all tab names with one button click" extensions can help with that.
Yes, Opera 16+ isn't as featured as Opera 12. No Opera 12 tab grouping. I'm finding it ok though after adding about 15 extensions. (Total number of extensions I have in Opera 12? two.)
I don't know whom you're talking about there, or what about.
You said Pagefile is just a crutch for not having enough memory, (which is true), but not everyone wants to buy more memory if their PC is "fine" without it. And not every PC can hold enough memory people might need, though that is a rare case for the typical user.
Then you said Pagefile should be on but small because Windows is broken without it.
You already said the Pagefile should be left on. It's just a question then of how big it should be.
hackerballs
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Haven't used pagefile since I got my first 4gig kit. Never an issue. Can't even imagine what it would be like to use pagefile once memory is gone, like Molasses
taltamir
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Last I checked PAE requires you to change all drivers, if any single driver is used which was was not specifically designed for it it will bluescreen windows.
I was testing extreme ram usage options on 7z compression once and that happened. HDD started thrashing and the estimated time left jumped from 5 minutes to 130 years. It wasn't just the estimate, I left it crunching for a couple of hours and it only got a tiny tiny fraction of a percent more done.
I was testing extreme ram usage options on 7z compression once and that happened. HDD started thrashing and the estimated time left jumped from 5 minutes to 130 years. It wasn't just the estimate, I left it crunching for a couple of hours and it only got a tiny tiny fraction of a percent more done.
Makaveli
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I run a somewhat awkward setup consisting of 2x2GB of DDR2-1066 and 2x2GB of DDR2-800 (the 800Mhz ram has huge heatspreaders that interfere with my CPU heatsink, bought just one set of 1066 intending to upgrade the other two later and never got around to it). I got bored one day and decided to pop the 800Mhz ram out and see if the system felt faster at 1066 (Phenom II). I do not recall which game I was playtesting at the time, but after a few minutes in game, I got the dreaded 'Windows is low on RAM' message. That really drilled home to me that volume of RAM is of greater importance than speed of RAM
Deders
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Which game? I only get that with Rome 2, even if the pagefile is empty and there is 1GB of free ram.
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