Does Bush own a timber company?

[her209]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I really thought Bush owned Kerry there. I was sure Kerry was going to be toast, but then I forgot about it 5 minutes later. It was probably the only thing in the debate that stuck the most in my mind. I'm sure the American people are wondering what the hell John Kerry was talking about. Time for the media to get to work if it is true.

What also stood out to me was when Bush forced his response even on the objection of the moderator.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: ErmanC
WOW... He just got served. OWN'T

I guess I'll be the contrarian then. I don't think $87 makes one a timber tycoon. Based on that logic and my royalties from mutual funds, I could probably be accused of owning a tabaco company, a software company, etc...

But that interest was reported in its own name, so it wasn't like he owned shares of a mutual fund that owned shares of the timber company. This makes him look like a guy who is so rich he forgets what he even owns. I know I don't have that problem.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Train
84 dollars from 3 years ago constitutes owning a company? wtf are you guys smokin?

I can get more than that by cleaning out the change under my car seats.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@DocID=265.html

Bush & Cheney as "Small Business Owners"

To find examples of this we need look no farther than the top of the Bush-Cheney ticket:

President Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business owner" under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise. However, 99.99% of Bush's total income came from other sources that year. (Bush also qualified as a "small business owner" in 2000 based on $314 of "business income," but not in 2002 and 2003 when he reported his timber income as

Vice President Cheney and his wife Lynne qualify as "small business owners" for 2003 because 3.5% of the total income reported on their tax returns was business income from Mrs. Cheney's consulting business. She reported $44,580 in business income on Schedule C, nearly all of it from fees paid to her as a director of the Reader's Digest . But giving the Cheneys a tax cut didn't stimulate any hiring; she reported zero employees.

Here's the point:

A Bush-Cheney '04 ad claims Kerry would raise taxes on 900,000 small businesses and "hurt jobs." But it counts every high-salaried person who has even $1 of outside business income as a "small business owner" -- a definition so broad that even Bush and Cheney have qualified while in office. In fact, hundreds of thousands of those "small businesses" have no jobs to offer.

Furthermore, by the Bush definition 32 million "small businesses" would see no tax increase. The ad doesn't mention that, of course. Nor does it mention Kerry's proposals for some tax cuts specifically targeted for small businesses.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: her209
What also stood out to me was when Bush forced his response even on the objection of the moderator.

What did you think of that? I found it rude and disrespectful

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: lozina
What did you think of that? I found it rude and disrespectful

Yep, it was a jackass move.

 

[alchemize]

YES!!! PUSH THIS ONE WITH ALL YOUR VIGOR LIBS!

The American public will really latch onto this one! lol

 

[CADsortaGUY]

need some wood?

CsG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: her209
What also stood out to me was when Bush forced his response even on the objection of the moderator.

What did you think of that? I found it rude and disrespectful

Charlie was trying to get Bush to sit down but Bush would have none of it.

Totally belligerent on the part of Bush.


"That's just how it is."

"I know the way the world works."

 

[Hecubus2000]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
need some wood?

CsG

LOL

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: alchemize
YES!!! PUSH THIS ONE WITH ALL YOUR VIGOR LIBS!

The American public will really latch onto this one! lol

As much as they latch onto "flip flop" ?

 

[jackschmittusa]

Can't decide if I want a t-shirt that says "Got wood?" or "Want some wood?". lol

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: alchemize
YES!!! PUSH THIS ONE WITH ALL YOUR VIGOR LIBS!

The American public will really latch onto this one! lol

As much as they latch onto "flip flop" ?

PLEASE! Even moreso! Make it the new campaign slogan! It could be something like this...

"At least our candidate didn't say that he didn't own a lumber company, WHEN, in reality, he claimed $84 on his 2001 Taxes, which represents a CHAPTER S corporation tax bracket!!!!!! PWNED!!!!"*

Of course, you may want to shorten it a hair.







*Even though as far as we know he hasn't claimed anything since then

 

[oldman420]

Yup any reasonable person has got to see the lies and deception, they don't even bother to try to hide it .
also bush was asked for 3 spacific reasons and failed to answer even one of them. lies again.
the man couldnt think of any imo

 

[dahunan]

I wonder who is DUMB enough to believe that the only proceeds from his Timber only equaled $84?

He is named as part owner... doesn't matter how much he supposedly loophole loophole loophole claimed.

"We have trained 100,000 Iraqis to protect their country"

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I wonder who is DUMB enough to believe that the only proceeds from his Timber only equaled $84?

He is named as part owner... doesn't matter how much he supposedly loophole loophole loophole claimed.

"We have trained 100,000 Iraqis to protect their country"

Go after it Dahunan! Setup a website and everything...this is KERRY'S TICKET TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: oldman420
Yup any reasonable person has got to see the lies and deception, they don't even bother to try to hide it .
also bush was asked for 3 spacific reasons and failed to answer even one of them. lies again.
the man couldnt think of any imo

He did come up with one at the end. He said he made a few bad appointments. He could've done better on that answer IMHO.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dahunan
I wonder who is DUMB enough to believe that the only proceeds from his Timber only equaled $84?

He is named as part owner... doesn't matter how much he supposedly loophole loophole loophole claimed.

"We have trained 100,000 Iraqis to protect their country"

Go after it Dahunan! Setup a website and everything...this is KERRY'S TICKET TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!

WOW.. you are particulary Fanatical tonight.. Your President consistently lies about everything... R U LIKE HIM TOO?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: alchemize
YES!!! PUSH THIS ONE WITH ALL YOUR VIGOR LIBS!

The American public will really latch onto this one! lol

As much as they latch onto "flip flop" ?

PLEASE! Even moreso! Make it the new campaign slogan! It could be something like this...

"At least our candidate didn't say that he didn't own a lumber company, WHEN, in reality, he claimed $84 on his 2001 Taxes, which represents a CHAPTER S corporation tax bracket!!!!!! PWNED!!!!"*

Of course, you may want to shorten it a hair.

*Even though as far as we know he hasn't claimed anything since then

How about: "'W' stands for wood!"



CsG

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: oldman420
Yup any reasonable person has got to see the lies and deception, they don't even bother to try to hide it .
also bush was asked for 3 spacific reasons and failed to answer even one of them. lies again.
the man couldnt think of any imo

He did come up with one at the end. He said he made a few bad appointments. He could've done better on that answer IMHO.

How many true Christians could say they have never made a mistake? NOT ONE!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dahunan
I wonder who is DUMB enough to believe that the only proceeds from his Timber only equaled $84?

He is named as part owner... doesn't matter how much he supposedly loophole loophole loophole claimed.

"We have trained 100,000 Iraqis to protect their country"

Go after it Dahunan! Setup a website and everything...this is KERRY'S TICKET TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!

WOW.. you are particulary Fanatical tonight.. Your President consistently lies about everything... R U LIKE HIM TOO?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dahunan
I wonder who is DUMB enough to believe that the only proceeds from his Timber only equaled $84?

He is named as part owner... doesn't matter how much he supposedly loophole loophole loophole claimed.

"We have trained 100,000 Iraqis to protect their country"

Go after it Dahunan! Setup a website and everything...this is KERRY'S TICKET TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!

WOW.. you are particulary Fanatical tonight.. Your President consistently lies about everything... R U LIKE HIM TOO?

Poor Poor.... "100,000 Iraqis have been trained"

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: oldman420
Yup any reasonable person has got to see the lies and deception, they don't even bother to try to hide it .
also bush was asked for 3 spacific reasons and failed to answer even one of them. lies again.
the man couldnt think of any imo

He did come up with one at the end. He said he made a few bad appointments. He could've done better on that answer IMHO.

How many true Christians could say they have never made a mistake? NOT ONE!

Did he say he never made a mistake? Cause I'll be referring to the transcript to show you where you are wrong.

IIRC he said something distilled into "I made small mistakes, my big decisions were not mistakes. I made mistakes in appointments".

Now, would you like to have an honest discussion?

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dahunan

I wonder who is DUMB enough to believe that the only proceeds from his Timber only equaled $84?

He is named as part owner... doesn't matter how much he supposedly loophole loophole loophole claimed.

"We have trained 100,000 Iraqis to protect their country"

Go after it Dahunan! Setup a website and everything...this is KERRY'S TICKET TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!

WOW.. you are particulary Fanatical tonight.. Your President consistently lies about everything... R U LIKE HIM TOO?

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed...40809-090612-9480r.htm

 

[Hecubus2000]

no

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: yankeesfan

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dahunan

I wonder who is DUMB enough to believe that the only proceeds from his Timber only equaled $84?

He is named as part owner... doesn't matter how much he supposedly loophole loophole loophole claimed.

"We have trained 100,000 Iraqis to protect their country"

Go after it Dahunan! Setup a website and everything...this is KERRY'S TICKET TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!

WOW.. you are particulary Fanatical tonight.. Your President consistently lies about everything... R U LIKE HIM TOO?

Poor Poor.... "100,000 Iraqis have been trained"[/quote]

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed...40809-090612-9480r.htm[/quote]


It's already been confirmed that he was in Cambodia, by the same man who accused him of lying. Seems he forgot a little interview he had on CNN with some person ironically had the same name of our President at the time, Richard Nixon. Kinda funny how that works out.

Edit: Oh and three months ago called. They want their distortions back.