Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Interesting. I guess I shouldn't mind that if a kid that didn't know wtf he was doing in my class failed like he should have, the curve would have given me a b. Instead, I got a C.
I wonder how many other times he's cheated. I love meeting coworkers who obviously cheated their way through college and took a job from someone else whose grades weren't as good on paper but could actually contribute.
How are they supposed to learn their own lessons if people let them get away with things?
Letting me quote this post, interesting...
You have a point here because the curve made the class a win-lose situation. That is one reason I hate curves. Personally, I think a curve is just a crutch for a professor that cannot adequately design the class to challenge the students at the right level It is either too hard or too easy, and the curve just cover's the professor's ass.
When it comes to work, yes you have a point when there are a limited number of positions. In this case a cheating situation should be reported depending on what it was. Unfortunately this happens all the time. But this is quite different from the situation in the OP.
Now I do not condone cheating and am not a cheater. I walk a straight line. But, I think reporting someone who asks for homework help online is going too far.
I don't think my work situation is much different. Its further down the line and is a result of something similar. Someone who keeps cheating off classmates/online services to graduate. I don't consider the thread the OP references to cheating. I also don't think online help is cheating (and I think many agree with me and there are many threads where help is offered). We don't do the entire assignment though. Where I think we draw the line is paying someone/copying the work.
EDIT: Loke and Minendo maybe werne't directly effeted by his actions, but they could be by others like him. See my situations above.
Also, even in classrooms without a curve, cheating students mess with others. For example, my high school graduating class had 5 people above 4.0. Two of them were known to not be as bright as the other three and yet because they all had straight A's throughout high school, the title of valedictorian was shared. There wasn't a fair way to differentiate.
I had no real proof and all of my conclusions are based off of circumstantial evidence, but I would have to say they cheated.
There was no curve so no other students actual grade was affected, but in the end, it took some glory from those who worked hard for what they got.[/quote]
Two points. First, the people here who reported this guy got nothing from it maybe than either a feeling of justification/revenge from a previous encounter with a cheater that did have an impact on them, or it satisfied some sort of self-righteous belief about cheating in general.
Second point. If one person performs well, it absolutely does not degrade their accomplishments if another person got there by cheating. Now if one person gets bumped down because there is only 1 or a limited amount of winners, then there is a direct loss sustained. This is not what happened in the original case.
If you wanted to make a generalized statement that all cheating is bad and we should all actively stop it, no matter how it relates to us or our own well being, then I would say you are a goody two shoes and I think that is going too far. Who cares if some kid gets on the Internet looking for homework help? Does it really affect our lives to the point where we have to actively embarass the person and report them for it? I think it's silly and uncessessary. That doesn't mean I like cheating. That just means I don't understand their motives and what they get out of it, and how this is supposed to address the issue cheating in general.
Once a cheater, always a cheater...
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