While I still like Zep and Physical Graffiti is criminally underrated, I was not happy with them lifting the main riff for "stairway" from the band they were touring with, Taurus. They also plagiarized some old blues tunes and didn't pay royalties, lawsuits were eventually filed.
DigDog
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this is the kind of thing i am most interested in, when it comes to music. The money making aspect of it.
You know, after having listened to comparison videos, several times, between Land Down Under and Kookaburra Tree, i think Men At Work were absolutely robbed.
If you look at the suspensions, the Spirit song is
Am Am7 Amm7 Am6 Am D Am G
and Stairway is
Am Am7 Amm7 D F G Am F E
This ain't Beetoven's 5th. You do a minor bar chord and arpeggio it, then, lift 1 finger and arpeggio, then shift 1 more and arpeggio, and that's where the two songs diverge. You can't copyright being shit at playing the guitar, bro.
I don't like them!
To be clear, I don't actively _dislike_ them, I've just never really listened to them or felt any interest in doing so, so I can't say I _like_ them. I just can't be bothered, is all. If I were going to make an effort to listen to something because others like it, I'd listen to classical music or Jazz or something else high-status.
They are one of those bands I associate with people who got their music tastes from older siblings. All my life I've run into people younger than me who have the musical tastes of someone older than me and I always wonder what's going on there. Why would anyone who hit their teens after 1980, say, want to listen to Led Zeppelin?
I've concluded it simply comes down to birth order, and whether you have older siblings. Either that or being from 'the provinces' (people from outside the larger cites often seem to have the tastes and attitudes of a generation earlier than their age would imply, which is why they like the likes of Led Zeppelin - the same reason why, much more problematically, they can use unfortunately outdated terminology for minority groups, even when they aren't intending to be offensive).
Also I associate Led Zeppelin with exploitative sexual behaviour, but, then again, if I were being consistent that would rule out 90% of rock music from any era.
For some reason, disliking the politics and behaviour of an artist becomes far more of a factor if you know about it before you encounter their work. For example, I was put off Eric Clapton by his racism long before I ever heard his music, but Morrissey is clearly every bit as bad, if not worse, but I didn't know that till long after listening to The Smiths. It's like a vaccine, I suppose - discovering such things first, makes you resistant to someone's work forever.
To be clear, I don't actively _dislike_ them, I've just never really listened to them or felt any interest in doing so, so I can't say I _like_ them. I just can't be bothered, is all. If I were going to make an effort to listen to something because others like it, I'd listen to classical music or Jazz or something else high-status.
They are one of those bands I associate with people who got their music tastes from older siblings. All my life I've run into people younger than me who have the musical tastes of someone older than me and I always wonder what's going on there. Why would anyone who hit their teens after 1980, say, want to listen to Led Zeppelin?
I've concluded it simply comes down to birth order, and whether you have older siblings. Either that or being from 'the provinces' (people from outside the larger cites often seem to have the tastes and attitudes of a generation earlier than their age would imply, which is why they like the likes of Led Zeppelin - the same reason why, much more problematically, they can use unfortunately outdated terminology for minority groups, even when they aren't intending to be offensive).
Also I associate Led Zeppelin with exploitative sexual behaviour, but, then again, if I were being consistent that would rule out 90% of rock music from any era.
For some reason, disliking the politics and behaviour of an artist becomes far more of a factor if you know about it before you encounter their work. For example, I was put off Eric Clapton by his racism long before I ever heard his music, but Morrissey is clearly every bit as bad, if not worse, but I didn't know that till long after listening to The Smiths. It's like a vaccine, I suppose - discovering such things first, makes you resistant to someone's work forever.
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so the court case that proved Led Zep didn't lift anything from Taurus isn't good enough?
WelshBloke
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dumdidadumdum dumdidadumdum
dumdidadumdum dumdidadumdum
AAAAAHHHEeeeAaaaHaaaa AAAAAHHHEeeeAaaaHaaaa dumdidadumdum dumdidadumdum AAAAAHHHEeeeAaaaHaaaa
Yea. turns out I was wrong, Spirit didn't deserve to win that one, here's a good breakdown,
I still feel like they matured into excellent songwriters though and "Physical Graffiti" is a must-have for any serious rock collector.
mikeymikec
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My wife loves 'Immigrant Song'. I love Heart's 2012 cover of Stairway to Heaven.
Like others here, I've just nothing to particularly draw me to LZ, or anything sufficient to strongly dislike their music. In fact, until this thread I think I conflated Def Leppard with LZ (I thought 'Pour Some Sugar On Me' was LZ), obviously I don't know much about DL either.
I tried listening to 'Tangerine' just now but again, it doesn't do anything for me.
Like others here, I've just nothing to particularly draw me to LZ, or anything sufficient to strongly dislike their music. In fact, until this thread I think I conflated Def Leppard with LZ (I thought 'Pour Some Sugar On Me' was LZ), obviously I don't know much about DL either.
I tried listening to 'Tangerine' just now but again, it doesn't do anything for me.
WelshBloke
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I can't tell you how outraged and offended I am right now! 😆
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mikeymikec
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Honestly, it wasn't intentional! If I do a similar Pink Floyd thread, I invite you to take what you no doubt perceive to a giant steaming dump on it
skyking
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That whole era for me was the time of best first few albums. For Zep, it extended to Physical Graffiti.
For the Stones I quit caring about them after Goatś Head Soup. It was panned by many critics but Angie was all redeeming for me.
Elton John was also about finished with Honkey Cháteau. LOL it subs something for the proper ḧonky¨
The mid-seventies was the time of commercial sellout.
For the Stones I quit caring about them after Goatś Head Soup. It was panned by many critics but Angie was all redeeming for me.
Elton John was also about finished with Honkey Cháteau. LOL it subs something for the proper ḧonky¨
The mid-seventies was the time of commercial sellout.
WelshBloke
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I'm more laughing at myself for my reaction tbh!Honestly, it wasn't intentional! If I do a similar Pink Floyd thread, I invite you to take what you no doubt perceive to a giant steaming dump on it
There was a big indrawing of breath before a "how very dare you" internal monologue!
Then I realised that I was being a tit! 😆
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mikeymikec
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Heh. What I found to be a jarring moment when I read your response was like if - back in the day - teenage me had asked my parents what they thought of say Guns n' Roses and they mistook it for the Beatles followed by a correction and a <shrugs> reaction... I would have been thinking, "HOW CAN YOU NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE?!?!".
Not that I would have asked my mum what she thought of GnR, considering she believed the Beatles to be "a bunch of animals", and if she was really pushed, she'd do her impression of "she loves you yeah yeah yeah". My mum was strictly Irish folk music, Clancy Brothers, and other boring as fuck music. While I'll almost invariably appreciate an occasional decent live performance of well-played music of most genres, there's only so much "I got trolleyed on whisky and beer" I can take. "In Dublin's fair <hick>... city... where the girls are so <hick>... pretty...".
I digress.
mikeymikec
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Interesting. Was that a management-inspired "try to replicate success" decision or fanboyism?
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Or ex-hippy-ish parents. Much of my early (middle school to high school) musical tastes came from what my father listened to. Zeppelin, Floyd, Beatles, Stones, etc.
For me, it's Beck (just Beck, not Jeff Beck). Damn Scientologists...I do like his weirdness and style though, at least his older stuff (up to and including Odelay).
I spit my coffee out my nose, you jerkface
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Is this the group Jimmy Page played with mid career ? Page is brilliant , the band however was acoustically overwrought, tending ultimately to self absorption.
If I have the correct band, their first album was their best but not the best.It places well below
Jimmy Hendricks-Band Of Gypsies,
Allman Brothers--Live at Fillmore East, Eat a Peach,
RS-Get Yer Ya Yas Out
Dylan-Blond on Blond
If I have the correct band, their first album was their best but not the best.It places well below
Jimmy Hendricks-Band Of Gypsies,
Allman Brothers--Live at Fillmore East, Eat a Peach,
RS-Get Yer Ya Yas Out
Dylan-Blond on Blond
WelshBloke
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Pohemi
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He started with The Yardbirds...Led Zeppelin was everything after that, basically. There is no "mid-career".
WelshBloke
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I haven't been so traumatised in a thread since someone used "Legos" to refer to Lego!
I lived in a small town and when Zeppelin played in Oakland like 20 of us went to see them. It was Judas priest, Rick Derringer and then many hours later Zeppelin. I was 11. I left the concert a crazy little Judas Priest fan..
I went to see the firm so I could see Page play again as an adult. I was disappointed.
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